How have you been affected by the Tran's community?

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As there are so many posts on here that discuss Transgenderism, has anyone been directly affected by the Tran's community, good or bad?
I'm quite young and only know one Tran's gender person, as far as I'm aware.

It's just an exercise in screenshot not reality

Sorry I put a flower emoji in my post but it didn’t come out for some reason 💐 @TinselAngel

You'll be over the moon for your friend that the ruling didn't go the opposite way yesterday then?

My neice ran for Welfare Officer in her university's student union. She was very involved in support for victims of sexual assault on campus and led on SU consent campaigns. She lost out to a trans girl, whose whole campaign was that she was trans.

I know a few peripherally, through work and so on. There also seem to be quite a large trans student population at the uni I work in - probably disproportionate to the general population! A lot of them seem to be quite troubled people and they can take up rather a lot of time and resource.

Other than that, it hasn't really impacted my life on a personal level.

Yes I work in rehabilitation

trans women fighting to go to a woman only placement

on unescorted leave they were arrested and charged with ABH another charge to add to their long list of violent charges

Now when discharged from secure hospital shall have to go to a male placement (I believe)

in the last few years a few trans men in women’s toilets usually huffing and puffing as we uncomfortably ignore them

Yes. My DH and I and many others are still in counselling over the fallout.

A quarter of my DS's friends are "trans". It's so clearly a social contagion.

Trans ideology is toxic and regressive.

not a popular opinion on here but I’m devastated for the trans community, it’s a step backwards for them and all the women who have been shouting about them

FFS! Trans people having their rights maintained and carefully explained, with useful examples, in the judgement is not a step backwards 🙄 and neither is it a step backwards for women to have the Sex PC clarified and shown to be what most sane people always assumed it was. You can’t protect women if you can’t define them.

As for the OP’s question, I know 3 trans people, 2 male and 1 female. The TW (male) don’t use female only spaces and they acknowledge their sex. They’re both lovely. The TM (female) is pitiful - sorry, but she is. She transitioned due to upsetting life circumstances and her autism. She’s no happier than when she was a woman. I feel both sorry for her and annoyed with her as she parrots TRA talking points and outright lies (eg that men have no physical advantage over women in sport).

But the issue isn’t the trans people we know, it’s the recent vicious movement to deprive women of their rights; to bully them into submission through fear; to colonise single sex spaces and then lecture women when they’re upset (refrain your trauma or whatever he said). It’s also the overlap with Men’s Rights Activists, incels and misogynists for whom the gender ideology movement was a gift.

Mainly, it’s the attempt to erase women, erase same sex relationships and create an army of ‘trans’ youth, many of whom are ‘trans’ just as an emo-like lifestyle choice but some of whom have been misled into damaging their bodies.

This behemoth of a movement has pushed out moderate trans voices and called genuine trans people tr####m.

@PaintDecisions - you're absolutely right. I know the majority of staff at my place follow the policy because they do not want to risk their job. They are polite and respectful to everyone. But, they are very aware that transitioning MtF sex offenders is as much about how they can continue their offending behaviour in a way that makes them look like the victim.

It scares me that some of my colleagues in other places are wholeheartedly enslaved by the ideology of trans women are women. Their news feeds are currently full of how bad this is for the trans community without understanding that this will protect them as much as it protects women. They don't see the same impact my colleagues and I do because they have a different type of prisoner.

Where did I say that, @Livelovebehappy ? They would probably go somewhere by themselves rather than be around others. But

Yes, @SleepyDormouse59 I think you nailed it. The people I know have been harmed by the militant activism, whereas previously they were just living their lives in a fairly low key way and not affecting anyone else.

I dont like a lot of the debate around this subject, feels like unless you toe the line (on either side) you will be attacked. None of which is helpful to coming up with solutions to keep everybody safe from male violence, which is at heart what this problem is about.

See, I think a lot of times people say they’ve never been challenged and pass etc it’s just women being too nice and not wanting to cause upset/be confrontational. You all basically dealt with unwanted males (and they’re transhsusen parent!) without being “mean” about it. I also think that that attitude covers the vast majority of the population. Most people I’ve spoken to about the SC ruling thinks it’s ridiculous that it was even in court. They haven’t given the topic any consideration as, to them, the notion that humans can change sex is nonsense.

@TinselAngel my post inadvertledy mentions a trans widow and her children. I did in fact link her in with you and you helped her alot! Thank you for helping my friend x

No, it's because she came across a man in the ladies.

I’ve been in a Matalan changing room with a man trying bikinis in the cubicle next to me and continually coming out at parading up and down. He was intimidating and women going in to try clothes on changed their minds and left. It was clearly a power play.

my 90 year old mother with dementia had a transwoman nurse on her ward. She kept saying ‘why is that man wearing a dress? The other nurses shushed her and said it’s a woman…

I didn’t vocalise it to any of the other women there (on both trips we were all meeting each other for the first time) but I avoided using the toilet and shower facilities unless there was another woman heading that way too.

And I think I noticed all of the the other women were the same.

A few times at night when we were sitting around and I’d get up and say to whoever was next to me “I’m just popping to the loo” they’d be like “oh I’ll come too” and I did wonder if maybe they’d been hanging on to go with someone - safety in numbers and all that. Both campsite toilet/shower facilities were really small holding 2-3 people max and I would not have wanted to be using the loo or taking a shower in there with either of those men, or any men present.

The fellas probably went home thinking they’d had a lovely weekend and if they hadn’t have told us they were trans we’d never have known.

To a previous poster who disapproved of the term 'live and let live '.
This certainly does not mean that I approve of anyone other than biological women in womens toilets, refuges, healthcare, sports etc. My view is the exact opposite.
The people committing criminal acts are just that, criminals.
The people demanding access to females because they are trans women is madness and should never have been allowed at any time.
There are also trans women and trans men who just want to live their lives in peace.
We need to accept diversity but I will not accept that anyone can change their biological sex.

Agreed!

Notably we don't have our own SEEN for staff - I'm a member of the Cabinet Office national SEEN mailing list. After this announcement the DEI manager sent out a "we're here to support our trans colleagues through this difficult time" message - another captured area of the business.

I'm also surrounded by SMT with pronouns (mainly white middle aged men) in their email and Teams names. Not a welcoming environment for anyone GC.

My son's key worker at nursery was a transman. A perfectly nice and capable person who I was happy with as my son's key worker - I'm not transphobic. However, it was a little confusing because my son, like everyone else, could easily tell the person was a woman (she was very young and I don't think had undergone any cross sex treatments whatsoever). But we all have to pretend that they are actually, literally a man? I don't really feel comfortable with my children being taught the ideology of transsexualism as though it was an absolute truth; I'd like to be able to present it as a belief or practice that other people have which we don't, and for that to not be controversial or perceived as "transphobic". I view it as akin to religious belief. I don't mind other people believing it but I don't think it should elevate their rights. And I want to be able to speak plainly about the immutable reality of biological sex.

I'm sure that most transwomen don't want to harm women, but neither do most non-trans men. Nevertheless the risk is there and the statistics speak to the fact that trans men pose an equal or higher risk of sexual aggression to women than do non-trans men. I believe that single sex spaces are an important protection for women so I'm very glad about the ruling. At the same time, I'm very happy to live and let live, particularly because I don't uphold sex stereotypes so why shouldn't a man wear a dress and grow his hair and call himself Sally. I don't even mind using opposite sex pronouns if there is a tacit acknowledgement of the person's real sex rather than this weird denial of reality which feels so uncomfortable.

I recently watched the musical "kinky boots" which is basically about drag queens and one of the main characters in particular has this whole female alter ego that they mostly live by, but it seems so different because everyone acknowledges and understands that they are male. When did we lose this? It's trans extremism that's the problem not ordinary trans people.

My employer also sent out a global email essentially expressing disappointment in the ruling and wanting to reach out to support trans staff/service users. As though they can't see why women would need single sex spaces and have concluded, at an organisational level, that any woman who does feel that single sex spaces matter, is basically a bigot. It does feel as though they care a lot more about men who feel that they are women than they do about women who actually have female, and therefore vulnerable, bodies. Reading that email kind of sucked to be honest, they haven't considered the other side (eg most women) and don't consider their perspective, feelings or rights to be worth consideration. It makes me feel that I have to censor myself to avoid trouble at work. And I don't mean censor myself from casting slurs or being prejudiced (which is quite right, I shouldn't be able to and don't want to do either of those things!), but censor myself from talking about reality, or expressing any perspective other than the approved one on what is actually a controversial, ideologically driven issue. I can't wait for the balance to shift a bit back from the extreme it has reached.

That she’s been lying to them for years?? 🤷‍♀️

No, actual facts and lived experiences prompt a ‘Dog walk’ and some mumbling about ‘err these threads always go this way I’ve got to leave now BIGOTS’ or summat.

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Not sure if this counts but several year's ago when DD joined secondary school all this was washing like a wave through her girls school.
Other mums would comment on so and so DC wanting to be called by pronouns.

I admit I couldn't really see the problem or understand theirs angst because I'm easy come and easy go. But where I work we also have many autistic students and more vulnerable students and kids saw things creeping in and we weren't allowed to comment and our loo was changed and the atmosphere at work became frightened.

That triggered me
At dds school locals were saying is it normal that half the classes want to become boys?

It felt very much like a fashion but with an iron fist behind it so in my day it was being a goth and liking the cure or Bross?

For my DD it felt like the fashion was this but you couldn't say you didn't like it.
Imagine everyone getting training to respect and be Goths 😱? Or like Bross and then the spice girls. Girls pretending to do girl power and we couldn't speak out??

Personally, I think transmen should use male spaces if they are comfortable to do so, I don't have a problem with that and I don't think most men do either. The key thing is that trans men do not pose a high risk for sexual assault or rape towards men. They pose a lower risk in fact, than other men. Men don't need protection from female bodies, whether they are transed or not. If trans men enter male spaces, they are putting themselves at risk from men as compared to remaining in a female identity and using female spaces - but that's okay by me because it is their risk to take.

The issue for me has always been about any male bodied person in a female space. Because women do need protection from male bodies, whether they are transed or not.

It's the failure to acknowledge that men pervasively oppress and victimise women, in a way that is not true in reverse, that is really the heart of why trans activism is misogynistic. If you can't acknowledge male violence towards women and girls, you can't advocate for women and girls. Most men aren't like this, men have these other issues XYZ, what about transmen in men's bathrooms, transwomen aren't really men (when it comes to VAWG they are) - these are all just distractions and attempts to escape the real issue which is that men unilaterally pose a risk to women. And women need and deserve protection from that end of.

Oh do shut up with your holier than thou attitude. Men are a threat the women. And two thirds of transwomen in prison are sex offenders. So cut the crap and deal with your own misogynistic handmaiden prejudices against real women.