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So how do I live in the female gender?

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Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 14:28

There are 8834 people in the UK who have a Gender Recognition Certificate.
I am one of them.

To get it, I had to show evidence of transition, surgery etc. Lots of hoops

I also had to swear a Statutory Declaration. I had to go to a Magistrates Court and swear a legal declaration in front of a magistrate. It was all very formal.

I had to swear this:

" have lived as a (insert ‘male’ or ‘female’ as appropriate)
throughout the period of years before the date of this statutory
declaration and I intend to live in that gender until death."

This declaration is legally binding. Apparently if I don't follow this, I can be done for perjury.

So...how do I live as a female and live in that gender until death - I have sworn to do this in front of a magistrate.

I was very surprised that so few trans people have Gender Recognition Certificates.

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IWillAlwaysBeinaClubWithYouin1973 · 18/04/2025 15:40

Pluvia · 18/04/2025 15:38

Can you explain, please, what you think is vitriolic? Is it the mere fact that women aren't falling over themselves to affirm and validate the OP? Do you think there should be an onus on women to be kind at all times?

Well, speaking to people like shit on a public forum is pretty vitriolic, no one has to confirm and validate the OP they were just asking a question.

Harassedevictee · 18/04/2025 15:40

@Definitelynamechanged123 to answer your question about perjury.
Nothing will happen, Keira Bell has a GRC and took action against the NHS. She has detransitioned and there has been no action taken.

This is because it is not in the public interest and there is no victim.

A big flaw in the GRA is there is no process for detransitioners.

As long as you are happy with your body, how you identify and are respectful to others go and live your life. Be happy.

BottleBlondeMachiavelli · 18/04/2025 15:40

Lemonadenotlemons · 18/04/2025 15:36

I didn’t realise there was so much hatred towards trans women. It makes me sad.

My son has come out as trans a year ago, and I am so upset this is going to be the reception and understanding that they are going to get.

He will be fine as long as he can separate the idea of gender from biological sex. The trans people who are fact-orientated get on fantastically with the radfems.

After all, feminists have fought as hard as the trans people to be free from gender stereotypes based on sex.

It was a recent misapprehension that muddled the two up.

MargotB · 18/04/2025 15:42

Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 15:32

I found peace with my surgery and the way I present myself to the world.

Yet here you are, asking questions which clearly show you are not at peace.

Or perhaps you're being a goady fucker?

Hwi · 18/04/2025 15:42

BeeCucumber · 18/04/2025 15:05

Just be who you want to be. I think it’s probably unlikely that the Gender Police will be around to arrest you if you break the rules - whatever they are.

Thing is, you can't be who you want to be. You can only be who are were born. Encouragements to be what you want to be as as helpful as advertisements by the OU promising mature students a career out of an OU degree upon 'graduation'.

Cyclebabble · 18/04/2025 15:42

Thanks happy to refer to you as she and and provide all due respect and compliance with all anti discrimination requirements. In turn. You.must respect that female changing rooms, toilets, hospital wards etc are for viological women only.

Smozzleberry · 18/04/2025 15:43

Having surgery is not required to acquire a GRC so not sure why you had to show that.

How do you live with a female gender? Erm, be nice, don’t talk over people, don’t assert yourself or take up space especially where you’re not wanted. I’m sure you’ll get the hang of it.

IWillAlwaysBeinaClubWithYouin1973 · 18/04/2025 15:43

Testingmypatience1 · 18/04/2025 15:39

What do I hope for?

That you get the third spaces where you deserve to feel safe for toileting. That you get services tailored for your unique needs be that refuge or other safe spaces. That support is offered by those trained properly in the trans movement.
That sports expands to include trans athletes.
That prisons offer a wing dedicated to trans prisoners. That hospitals consider your needs, and place you in private rooms where possible.

That we can live in peace with everyone’s rights respected fully.
That if you value womanhood so highly you too will want us to live in safety and with dignity.

This sounds like a pretty reasoned reply to the OP. Or is that not allowed?

BloodandGlitter · 18/04/2025 15:43

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/04/2025 15:41

We are in the UK not the US.

Are we? I didn't realise we all had to be from the UK on here.

LittleBigHead · 18/04/2025 15:44

Why couldn’t you live as a “feminine” man? You can’t be a woman no matter how much you want to be.

Also, can you seek therapy for your gender dysphoria? For your sense of not being at home in your body?

I think most women experience this. We seek therapy, talk to our women friends, or do things which show us how good our bodies are and how we can move through the world.

Why not find a men’s support group where you can come to terms with your body and heal the split between your mind and your body?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/04/2025 15:44

Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 15:35

It's highlighting the GRC and the Declaration - especially with the recent Supreme Court ruling.

Maybe I should have just kept quiet instead if trying to "cause trouble" by posting on here and kept my thoughts to myself

Yet you didn’t. You have also totally misrepresented what you had to do to receive your GRC, why?

WallaceinAnderland · 18/04/2025 15:45

If I go the male toilets, I am not living as a female as I swore I would do. That would be living as a male.

Why? I am female and I have used men's toilets on occasion - especially when I was little and my dad couldn't take me in the ladies.

Not once did this make me male or 'living as a male'.

VickyEadieofThigh · 18/04/2025 15:45

BloodandGlitter · 18/04/2025 15:43

Are we? I didn't realise we all had to be from the UK on here.

The thread's entire context is the decision by our (UK) Supreme Court this week.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 18/04/2025 15:45

Catisgluedtome · 18/04/2025 15:13

Stop taking out all the negativity women have experienced on one person.
You posters are directing your anger at the wrong person. Stop.

I don't see any anger on this thread.

Pluvia · 18/04/2025 15:45

Happyinarcon · Today 15:37

I have a lot of empathy for you OP and I hope you continue to find happiness. Women have an over riding need for privacy and safety from men that is drummed into us from an early age. We recognize men a mile away from obvious things like their height and clothes, but also from millions of other indicators like they way they move, how they stand or the width of their shoulders etc. These things don’t change with surgery.

These things aren't 'drummed into us'. They have developed over thousands of years of evolution. Females have adapted to find ways of survival in a world dominated by stronger, bigger, faster males. Female fear and wariness around men isn't a learned behaviour, it's innate and based on thousands of years experience. And that's not just limited to humans.

miraxxx · 18/04/2025 15:46

Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 14:54

Because of everything I have gone through over the last 20 years and it was the certificate that would have given a chance to "prove" my transition - with the body changes and the surgery.

The trans movement saw this as gatekeeping and oppression by privileged heterosexuals and removed this 'proof' which seems to mean so much to you. The olden way of thinking differentiated transsexuals (often undergoing surgery) from transvestites (seen as sexual deviants mostly). The GRC is not difficult to get these days and the vast majority of trans people do not get them. I cannot be bothered anymore with the batshit incoherence of the trans movement and think it is a mental disorder that masquerades as an identity crisis. I'd rather not pander.

ladymalfoy45 · 18/04/2025 15:46

If you have ever walked into a room and demanded in one form or another the attention of any adult human female in the room, you are a male.
If you've talked over,shushed,dismissed or ignored the thoughts,feelings or opinions of adult human females ,you are male.
You've had surgery but you still had all those years of male privilege that allow you to believe your feelings trump our - from birth until now- lived experience .
You want us to validate and explain your situation?
Male.
Even my trans sexual friend get this and their surgery was 40 years ago .

MythosK · 18/04/2025 15:46

RedToothBrush · 18/04/2025 15:00

It's about as much use as a 50m swimming certificate.

lol.
I'll have you know, my 50m swimming certificate has opened up countless opportunities for me! 😆

KateShugakIsALegend · 18/04/2025 15:46

I wish you peace OP, but....

You are choosing not to reply to those posters who are setting out the very real daily challenges of being a woman.

You seem to think that your problem is for us to fix. And therein lies the issue.

Good luck, I bear you no illwill and wish you happiness, but we are not here to accommodate or to serve you.

Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 15:47

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/04/2025 15:44

Yet you didn’t. You have also totally misrepresented what you had to do to receive your GRC, why?

I supplied evidence of a diagnosis from 2 professionals and I gave surgery details - from what I understand, that's much stronger evidence to get the certificate. I didn't want it rejected.

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Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 18/04/2025 15:47

Out of interest OP, what do you think it means? You apparently felt like a woman, so what does it feel like? Because I'll tell you now, it's not what most transwomen seem to think it is, ie admiring our own bodies, dressing as if it's Saturday night every day, pillow fights and sleepovers. These are the ways in which a mans brain would imagine what being a woman feels like and why so many women get pissed off- you essentially make a mockery of us, caricatures of females and frankly, it's bloody insulting.

If anything, our bodies more often than not can be a nuisance- being looked at, gawped at, objectified, groped. But of course the average man would love nothing more than to have his body adored and touched at constantly because generally speaking men are much more sexual creatures. My point being, your male brain has romanticized the idea of being a woman. If you were one, you wouldn't need to ask how it feels.

HPFA · 18/04/2025 15:47

Suszieq · 18/04/2025 15:40

There’s vitriol because it’s righteous anger op. The world, especially women are ANGRY.

For years now we have had to accept trans identified males into our intimate spaces because they don’t like being men.

Why do women need to have their own fears disregarded for these men? If I were you, get ur son the help he needs. He is a male and nothing will ever change that

A "trans son" is almost certainly female.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 18/04/2025 15:47

MargotB · 18/04/2025 15:42

Yet here you are, asking questions which clearly show you are not at peace.

Or perhaps you're being a goady fucker?

Grin
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