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So how do I live in the female gender?

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Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 14:28

There are 8834 people in the UK who have a Gender Recognition Certificate.
I am one of them.

To get it, I had to show evidence of transition, surgery etc. Lots of hoops

I also had to swear a Statutory Declaration. I had to go to a Magistrates Court and swear a legal declaration in front of a magistrate. It was all very formal.

I had to swear this:

" have lived as a (insert ‘male’ or ‘female’ as appropriate)
throughout the period of years before the date of this statutory
declaration and I intend to live in that gender until death."

This declaration is legally binding. Apparently if I don't follow this, I can be done for perjury.

So...how do I live as a female and live in that gender until death - I have sworn to do this in front of a magistrate.

I was very surprised that so few trans people have Gender Recognition Certificates.

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HPFA · 18/04/2025 15:35

Corinthiana · 18/04/2025 15:26

Where are women being removed from bathrooms? Do you have a link?

All over Bluesky there are people convinced that there are millions of females out there who will be confused for male people.

I'm being charitable and assuming it's because generally transmen do pass better than transwomen. But I don't think I've ever met a woman who would be confused for a man who hasn't made medical changes.

TonTonMacoute · 18/04/2025 15:35

Same as the rest of us then! What is a male life? What is a female life? This is a meaningless attempt to categorise human existence.

Your posts really confirm what most of think, that this is not about being born in the wrong body, but about some psychological feeling that life will be better in another identity.

You can live how you like (so long as it doesn't negatively impact anyone else) but you cannot change your sex. And no piece of paper on earth can change that fact, and it never could, it was all Emperors New Clothes all along.

PhatGurlSlim · 18/04/2025 15:35

Op, what do you think it means to be a woman? What makes you feel that you are a woman? Sorry, if you have been asked this and have already answered.

Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 15:35

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Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

It's highlighting the GRC and the Declaration - especially with the recent Supreme Court ruling.

Maybe I should have just kept quiet instead if trying to "cause trouble" by posting on here and kept my thoughts to myself

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Suszieq · 18/04/2025 15:35

Hi @Definitelynamechanged123

The trans ideology is deeply flawed and false. I’m sorry you bought into at and were driven to it.

On the one hand, the ideology says that you can self identify as gender is a social construct. But if that’s the case, you don’t want to be a woman you want to be a construct that you believe was created by the patriarchy. The ideology says that social constructs aren’t real, so why would you want to be something that isn’t real?

Also there isn’t really a particular way to be a woman, you just are one. Short hair, long hair, tall, big, black, white, whatever. We are women because of our biology. Regardless of whether they can do this or not, All women by NATURE have xx chromosomes and all women by NATURE should have periods, get pregnant etc.By nature men cannot do these things.

Finally, I believe trans people know that biology and gender are the same. Otherwise why do your guys get surgery to imitate the biological characteristics of a woman’s body? Why do you get the fake lady bits and chest implants? Why do you go on hrt to mimic a biological woman’s hormone levels?

Because even trans women know that the only way to be a woman, is to be a biological one.

IWillAlwaysBeinaClubWithYouin1973 · 18/04/2025 15:35

I feel totally lost here, can't understand the vitriol the OP is getting for wanting to discuss this.

Lemonadenotlemons · 18/04/2025 15:36

I didn’t realise there was so much hatred towards trans women. It makes me sad.

My son has come out as trans a year ago, and I am so upset this is going to be the reception and understanding that they are going to get.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/04/2025 15:36

BloodandGlitter · 18/04/2025 15:25

It's no wonder Ocado don't want their advertising on here is it?

Gender stereotypes hurt everyone trans or not, women are being removed from single sex bathrooms for "looking like a man". Discrimination hurts everyone.

Ocado have publicly apologised to Mumsnet, do keep up.

As for the rest of your word salad 🤪

TeenToTwenties · 18/04/2025 15:36

I think it is a very fair question, and it isn't the OP's fault the law is so muddled.

Living 'as a female' might well have meant approximately
. conforming to more female stereotypes than male
. using traditional female name and female pronouns
. using womens toilets
. trying to act physically like a female eg changing gait, raising pitch of voice, not manspreading
I suspect it never meant (to the law makers) things like being paid less, taking on more of the mental load etc!

But now the law has been explicitly clarified (due to all the self id nonsense) the using women's single sex areas has been explicitly barred. So if the OP were now to use the mens are they no longer 'living as a woman'?

The OP has got caught in the legal muddle.

IWillAlwaysBeinaClubWithYouin1973 · 18/04/2025 15:37

With you there @Lemonadenotlemons

Happyinarcon · 18/04/2025 15:37

I have a lot of empathy for you OP and I hope you continue to find happiness. Women have an over riding need for privacy and safety from men that is drummed into us from an early age. We recognize men a mile away from obvious things like their height and clothes, but also from millions of other indicators like they way they move, how they stand or the width of their shoulders etc. These things don’t change with surgery.
If we are in a women’s only area and see any of these male indicators our fight or flight response flares up before we have even realized it and we get a shock. This is how we are programmed, we are not pretending to be morally outraged because we’re man hating feminists, for many of us it triggers a real fear. Most of us accept this fear when we walk through car parks or walk our dog at night, so you can see that we at least want to feel safe in bathrooms and change rooms.
I sincerely hope the government works on providing safer spaces for all of us, I’m annoyed that female spaces are considered a default space space that everyone can crowd into, it’s not fair on anyone. Best of luck OP

Simplynotsimple · 18/04/2025 15:38

IWillAlwaysBeinaClubWithYouin1973 · 18/04/2025 15:35

I feel totally lost here, can't understand the vitriol the OP is getting for wanting to discuss this.

No vitriol. Op asked how does a male born person stand up and say they’re a woman now, people are replying truthfully in saying there is no such way to do so.

Pluvia · 18/04/2025 15:38

IWillAlwaysBeinaClubWithYouin1973 · 18/04/2025 15:35

I feel totally lost here, can't understand the vitriol the OP is getting for wanting to discuss this.

Can you explain, please, what you think is vitriolic? Is it the mere fact that women aren't falling over themselves to affirm and validate the OP? Do you think there should be an onus on women to be kind at all times?

Corinthiana · 18/04/2025 15:38

Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 15:35

It's highlighting the GRC and the Declaration - especially with the recent Supreme Court ruling.

Maybe I should have just kept quiet instead if trying to "cause trouble" by posting on here and kept my thoughts to myself

You asked how to live in the female gender. Many posters have answered you. Do the answers not help? What were you looking for?

VickyEadieofThigh · 18/04/2025 15:39

IWillAlwaysBeinaClubWithYouin1973 · 18/04/2025 15:35

I feel totally lost here, can't understand the vitriol the OP is getting for wanting to discuss this.

What vitriol? The OP asked a question and people are giving their personal responses.

Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 15:39

TeenToTwenties · 18/04/2025 15:36

I think it is a very fair question, and it isn't the OP's fault the law is so muddled.

Living 'as a female' might well have meant approximately
. conforming to more female stereotypes than male
. using traditional female name and female pronouns
. using womens toilets
. trying to act physically like a female eg changing gait, raising pitch of voice, not manspreading
I suspect it never meant (to the law makers) things like being paid less, taking on more of the mental load etc!

But now the law has been explicitly clarified (due to all the self id nonsense) the using women's single sex areas has been explicitly barred. So if the OP were now to use the mens are they no longer 'living as a woman'?

The OP has got caught in the legal muddle.

That is an interesting point.

If I go the male toilets, I am not living as a female as I swore I would do. That would be living as a male.

But if I go to the female toilets, then that's clearly an issue

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HPFA · 18/04/2025 15:39

Branleuse · 18/04/2025 15:21

i dont think living as a woman can be defined, as you say, although I think its a better system to only give GRCs to people that at least show commitment and doeasnt just open up womens spaces and shortlists to anyone that feels like it.
There have always been people who are deeply unhappy presenting as their biological sexes gender stereotypes, and feel very strongly about it. Ive known and still know many people like this and I wish them peace and happiness like anyone else.
I wish the whole thing hadnt been taken over by online porn obsessed fetishists and furries. It shouldnt have even got to the stage where we needed to fight for basic reality to be recognsed.
The whole GC position is that the stereotypes are what is bullshit, and yet its being framed now as if we just want everyone to conform

In Kathleen Stock's article about the case she says that if trans had still been confined to a few men who had mostly had medical treatment the issue would have been largely ignored.

Given the small numbers of trans-identified people making use of this privilege, and the fact that many of these people exhibited medically-induced physical changes, the general public was none the wiser, and most wouldn’t have cared if they had been

https://unherd.com/2025/04/how-women-won-the-gender-wars/

How women won the gender wars

http://unherd.com/2025/04/how-women-won-the-gender-wars/

NessieDoesExistYes · 18/04/2025 15:39

I don't understand your question.

You cannot now use spaces for women.
You can use other facilities - there is talk of a '3rd way' (loos etc) for men like you.

Carry on as you are but your GRC won't count if you want to go into the Ladies, or women's changing rooms. You may have to use the men's and perhaps experience the discomfort that women have had for a long time with men invading safe spaces.

MargotB · 18/04/2025 15:39

Catisgluedtome · 18/04/2025 15:10

I've reported this disgusting, transphobic thread. Shame on all you posters.

Are you feeling okay?

The OP asked questions, people have answered in a polite manner, sticking to biological fact.

There's nothing transphobic about this thread. The drama is in your head.

Step away, and feel better soon.

BeMoreAmandaland · 18/04/2025 15:39

I don't know the answers @Definitelynamechanged123 but wanted to pop on and say not all of us here are terfs and you have my support

Reddelilah · 18/04/2025 15:39

Sunshineandoranges · 18/04/2025 15:33

You are a trans female. Your sex cannot be female but your gender is. Life has obviously been difficult for you but you are a brave woman ( ok trans woman if we have to be precise in our wording).

What does that convoluted statement actually say? (Other than that his life has been difficult and he is man)

RedToothBrush · 18/04/2025 15:39

Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 15:32

I found peace with my surgery and the way I present myself to the world.

And I'm guessing you ultimately know that you can't run away from yourself and what you yourself know, about yourself.

Other people validating you, doesn't give this peace. Nor does a certificate.

Testingmypatience1 · 18/04/2025 15:39

What do I hope for?

That you get the third spaces where you deserve to feel safe for toileting. That you get services tailored for your unique needs be that refuge or other safe spaces. That support is offered by those trained properly in the trans movement.
That sports expands to include trans athletes.
That prisons offer a wing dedicated to trans prisoners. That hospitals consider your needs, and place you in private rooms where possible.

That we can live in peace with everyone’s rights respected fully.
That if you value womanhood so highly you too will want us to live in safety and with dignity.

Suszieq · 18/04/2025 15:40

Lemonadenotlemons · 18/04/2025 15:36

I didn’t realise there was so much hatred towards trans women. It makes me sad.

My son has come out as trans a year ago, and I am so upset this is going to be the reception and understanding that they are going to get.

There’s vitriol because it’s righteous anger op. The world, especially women are ANGRY.

For years now we have had to accept trans identified males into our intimate spaces because they don’t like being men.

Why do women need to have their own fears disregarded for these men? If I were you, get ur son the help he needs. He is a male and nothing will ever change that

BloodandGlitter · 18/04/2025 15:40

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 18/04/2025 15:36

Ocado have publicly apologised to Mumsnet, do keep up.

As for the rest of your word salad 🤪

You might want to get your reading abilities checked if you can't understand a simple paragraph like that.

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