So how do I live in the female gender?

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There are 8834 people in the UK who have a Gender Recognition Certificate.
I am one of them.

To get it, I had to show evidence of transition, surgery etc. Lots of hoops

I also had to swear a Statutory Declaration. I had to go to a Magistrates Court and swear a legal declaration in front of a magistrate. It was all very formal.

I had to swear this:

" have lived as a (insert ‘male’ or ‘female’ as appropriate)
throughout the period of years before the date of this statutory
declaration and I intend to live in that gender until death."

This declaration is legally binding. Apparently if I don't follow this, I can be done for perjury.

So...how do I live as a female and live in that gender until death - I have sworn to do this in front of a magistrate.

I was very surprised that so few trans people have Gender Recognition Certificates.

By vitriol do you mean that people are explaining things factually to the OP?! The moral of this story is, don’t pose a question if you are unprepared for people to tell you the truth. The OP asked and we answered, there’s no vitriol, just truth.

Well (speaking slowly) we are discussing the implications of a UK court case…

For me, living as a female means fighting for women’s sex based rights, including single sex spaces and sports.

Maybe you could do that?

" ie admiring our own bodies, dressing as if it's Saturday night every day, pillow fights and sleepovers. These are the ways in which a mans brain would imagine what being a woman feels like and why so many women get pissed off- you essentially make a mockery of us, caricatures of females and frankly, it's bloody insulting."

That sounds like you have a stereotype of what trans people are like.

I presume you don't like stereotypes about women - but are you ok with stereotypes about transwomen?

You don't know me and what I am like, how I present..

I have genuinely no idea how to live in the female gender. I was born female, remain happily female, am the mother to grown up kids, but despite this I was told by a transwoman that I am not a very good at being a woman.
Examples being that I've never had my nails done, don't wear make up and my hobbies are woodwork and fishing.
Maybe I'm a man.

I've found that women speaking the truth are often accused of vitriol. Or hysteria.

There’s no hatred here, but we do deal in facts and truth. People can’t change sex, it’s immutable and I am genuinely sorry for you and your son that you have been sold a lie. Be angry with the people that did that, not the women who are challenging this ideology because it’s harmful to us.

I dont want yo get involved in the main part of the thread but in answer to you original question if you want to live as a woman the major thing to do is tell your doctor (make or female doesnt matter) to totally ignore everything you say and blame everything on either anxiety or hormones. Once you achieve that your on the way! (This is meant to be lighthearted in case anyone takea it otherwise!)

If it helps, I've been told I'm not a very good transwomen at times because of some of the things I do...

You're a bloke,end of.

If you've talked over,shushed,dismissed or ignored the thoughts,feelings or opinions of adult human females ,you are male.
TBF I know women who do this.

Then I ask you again, you went far enough as to medically alter your body to look like a females because you felt like one. So what does it feel like?

I've been on a number of trips/courses where you are supposed to be able to swim 50m.

I've never been asked for my certificate. Nor to prove I can swim 50m.

What if you can swim 50m but don't have a certificate to prove it?! You'll risk yourself if you claim you can and you can't. And if it's part of your career, you'd be found out pretty quickly if you couldn't.

What do you do, and how do you present?

Carry on as you are.

The court ruling only applies to the definition within the Equality Act.

I all other contexts, where biological sex is not a relevant protected characteristic, you can live as your gendered self.

I’d agree with this.

Women should have safe women-only spaces, be free from discrimination on the basis of their sex, and be able to discuss and gain support for issues that pertain to them as born female.

Trans people should have safe spaces, be free from discrimination and gain support for issues pertaining to them as trans.

The key point is that these needs are separate from one another, and without full agreement from everyone, should not be conflated (so there could be a joint ‘under-represented groups in x profession’ group as well as a ‘group for women in x profession’ and a ‘group for trans people in x profession’ - in the same way as a Christian group and a Hindu group and a Sikh group can coexist with an interfaith group concerned with all matters of all faiths).

It feels better.
My body looks right.
My body feels right.

It doesn't feel wrong - but how do you explain that to people who don't know that feeling.

I am a woman i have been told not a very good one because i dont wear makeup shave my legs etc. i have no skin care routine which horrifies some people i know. I dont think i would be a very good man either.

You don't know me and what I am like, how I present...

We can read the threads you start though...

Put yourself last. You’re just a mum and a wife. Facilitate everyone else
Know where all objects are in the house

See, I am a Mum and wife and I don’t do these which just goes to show ‘living as a female’ can only ever be stereotyped bollocks. The only way to ‘live as a female’ is to have a female body. A man can only ever have a male body. It may be a male body with a deliberately induced endochrine imbalance and surgery, but it’s still male.

I’m sorry so many people have lied to you.

How do you 'live as a transwoman '?
Apart from being male?
I can't be a transwoman...

@IWillAlwaysBeinaClubWithYouin1973 Would you provide examples of where women have spoken to the OP like shit, please? How are you defining what speaking like shit is? Does the fact that you don't agree with it make it shit, or are you invoking some international measure of shit-talking?

Pick a few examples of things people have said and say why you don't agree with them. People may listen. They probably won't accuse you of talking shit because we're better than that.

I don't present as was suggested previously

" ie admiring our own bodies, dressing as if it's Saturday night every day, pillow fights and sleepovers. "

Sweetheart, we're still working towards living freely as women ourselves.

I have a lot of sympathy for the personal troubles you've been through, but they're not remotely the same as ours. You will get no helpful advice from women because your experiences are so incredibly different and your prospects are also very different. We can tell you what it's like having men as foes - but you're probably aware of that already.

If and when we have achieved equality and a fair society for ourselves, perhaps we'll have the space to make the huge mental shift required to help you with yours. Until then, I suggest that you form similar campaign and activist groups that women have, for centuries, and start from there. It's a long and tiresome road. But as you're no doubt aware, you don't really have a choice. Good luck.

Yes, this