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So how do I live in the female gender?

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Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 14:28

There are 8834 people in the UK who have a Gender Recognition Certificate.
I am one of them.

To get it, I had to show evidence of transition, surgery etc. Lots of hoops

I also had to swear a Statutory Declaration. I had to go to a Magistrates Court and swear a legal declaration in front of a magistrate. It was all very formal.

I had to swear this:

" have lived as a (insert ‘male’ or ‘female’ as appropriate)
throughout the period of years before the date of this statutory
declaration and I intend to live in that gender until death."

This declaration is legally binding. Apparently if I don't follow this, I can be done for perjury.

So...how do I live as a female and live in that gender until death - I have sworn to do this in front of a magistrate.

I was very surprised that so few trans people have Gender Recognition Certificates.

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DrPrunesqualer · 18/04/2025 20:54

Miniatureschnauzers · 18/04/2025 20:50

I suppose what I mean is that I think it’s important to have women only spaces however I also would not want that to mean that a trans woman would need to use male toilets or not have anywhere to go for a wee at all, so there need to be appropriate spaces too.

As an architect I’ve been fighting for more Ladies loos for my entire career.
Im guessing there will be a change to the law and increased provision of gender neutral toilets but it will be a long wait before that gets into our Building Regs.
Everything is a long wait in that area.

Additionally.
It will be only new buildings or those undergoing major refurbishment that will be included in any new requirements. That’s how it works.

Other than legislation of course owners could make provision if they chose to.

CantStopMoving · 18/04/2025 20:55

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:53

In all honesty - yes.

There was a video a while ago of someone getting out of a lift because a trans woman was in it, and I thought to myself then “would they have done that if it was just a bloke.”

Turns out some people would. They’re just that suspicious and unsure around everyone who was born a male.

Honestly? I think that’s sad. My partner for example is no more likely to murder you than he is to grow a second head. If he’s walking down the road, he’s probably just going somewhere.

The idea that some think we should be living so on edge, all the time, and assuming the very worst - is a huge shame IMO.

As I mentioned previously, that’s not because I’ve never experienced male violence. It’s because I genuinely don’t see a need to conflate the behaviour of some men, with the intentions of all of them.

How do people know that partner is a good man if they have never met him before.

People thought Ted Bundy looked like a nice chap!

EmpressaurusKitty · 18/04/2025 20:56

Something I'm not seeing many people addressing is that the logical conclusion of trans women having to use men's toilets is that trans men will have to now use women's toilets. Have any of you seen some trans men? Do you think it's a victory that they will now have to come into womens' toilets?

The ‘transman gotcha’? I’m surprised you say that, @recipientofraspberries, because I’ve seen it coming up all over the place. Maya covered it on X. https://x.com/mforstater/status/1913185937170845780?s=46&t=24c39JwRrH3k0oebVKtWw

So how do I live in the female gender?
So how do I live in the female gender?
So how do I live in the female gender?
MyShiningTigerLight · 18/04/2025 20:56

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:43

I don’t know the specific proportions, but as I mention - I do believe and understand that some use the label of trans because they have a sexual or criminal motive.

I don’t think that makes it fair or right to treat other trans people poorly, or without respect.

I don’t know specific proportions either, but when stonewall took on the case of trans, when gay marriage was legalised and they basically became redundant, they changed the definition to include those previously known as transvestites, a group known to have Autogynephilia, only now we’re not really supposed to acknowledge that.

Weirdly stonewall’s trans umbrella also includes women like me who prefer short hair and man-style clothes.

The whole thing is a nonsense. A dangerous delusional nonsense.

Edited: attached image is under review, but is googleable as stonewall trans umbrella, if you want to see it.

So how do I live in the female gender?
DrPrunesqualer · 18/04/2025 20:56

13J · 18/04/2025 20:42

I am one of those who hold a GRC, (female to male)
I jumped through similar hoops to you to obtain it. I couldn’t get it without hormones and surgery.

So at the time it was the legal document that ‘proved’ i was male in the eyes of society and the law

But things are different now, a GRC is utterly worthless.
Because anyone can self ID and demand the same right as whatever gender they claim to be, they can even change their mind whenever they feel like it.

You can’t ‘be’ a woman anymore then I can ‘be’ a man because we can’t change our physical sex. We were largely sold a lie in that respect.

Gender is a social concerto
you can wear ‘women’s’ clothes, makeup, take up typically female hobbies.

But ultimately, just be yourself, and if you feel like you’re living as close to a woman as you can, fantastic.

The main thing you can do as a trans women is to respect women, respect that they have a very different experience in life because they are women, and that you have a different experience because you were born male, and went through whatever you went through.

Don’t demand to be treated like a woman
or ask for, or expect special treatment, don’t encroach on female only spaces to prove you are a woman

And just be happy

I love this post.

I wish there were more people like you @13J 💐💐

EdithBond · 18/04/2025 20:57

Looks like more legal judgements, OP:

Baroness Falkner said the next stage of litigation may well be tests of the efficacy of GRCs.

Asked about whether she thought GRCs were now "worthless", she replied: "We don't believe they are. We think they're quite important."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce84054nqnyo

BlakeCarrington · 18/04/2025 20:57

You can’t live in the female gender im afraid OP as that concept is meaningless. You’re either male or female as a matter of biology and nothing can change that fact.

i’m sorry though that you have been sold a lie that you could genuinely change from male to female.

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:57

CantStopMoving · 18/04/2025 20:53

I don’t go around my daily life thinking every man is going to assault me. I do avoid, however putting myself in vulnerable situations. I find it very strange that you would happily do that. for instance-

I wouldn’t get into a cab drunk and alone with a male driver however they present
i wouldn't walk down an unlit alleyway in the dark
I wouldn’t sit in a train carriage alone with a male however they present. If I had to I would sit as far away as I could.
i wouldn’t have gone on a date with someone without letting my friend know where i was going and who i was with

If you would do these things you are in a minority .

Edited

The second time I met my now partner, I drove 140 miles and stayed at his house for the weekend without telling a single soul where that was.

Still alive, turns out he’s not a murderer. Sure that was a risk, but I didn’t assume I even could have died during that weekend - because I don’t just assume that anyone is dangerous.

Riaanna · 18/04/2025 20:58

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:43

I don’t know the specific proportions, but as I mention - I do believe and understand that some use the label of trans because they have a sexual or criminal motive.

I don’t think that makes it fair or right to treat other trans people poorly, or without respect.

Telling someone they’re something they’re not isn’t treating them with respect.

Needspaceforlego · 18/04/2025 20:58

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 19:43

This is one of my points too.

Many of us have been abused by a man. They don’t usually put a dress on to do it. Frankly that seems like a lot of effort to behave in a way that they do anyway.

When women are raped and attacked in parks or in fact their own homes, I think trans people in toilets are the very least of our worries.

Can I remind you of Graham, aka Isla Bryson, wig n leggings, enrolling on to a Beauty Course, making young women feel uncomfortable practicing on each other.

He'd been married, divorced, raped twice and you can bet one of those young women would have been next but he was removed from the course.

Don't ever underestimate the lengths men will go to, to access women.

DumpedByText · 18/04/2025 20:58

Why can't you just do you, live how you want to live. Why do you need to 'live as a woman' and label it, just live your life.

It's not our job to make you feel better that you were born a man but want to be a woman! 🙄

DeafLeppard · 18/04/2025 20:59

OP, you don’t think that you being beaten up as a boy on the regular for being different has contributed to any of your problems?

You have value and worth as a man, and that’s enough in and of itself.

usernamealreadytaken · 18/04/2025 20:59

Fraggeek · 18/04/2025 18:16

It's actually more complicated than xx/xy. There are those born with sex chromosome abnormalities.

Which are vanishingly rare (I have personal experience) and people don’t generally parade them for attention or validation (probably much like OP, before the TW with beards and penises became prominent).

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:59

CantStopMoving · 18/04/2025 20:55

How do people know that partner is a good man if they have never met him before.

People thought Ted Bundy looked like a nice chap!

They don’t, but the point I continue to make is that I don’t assume I’m at risk or in the company of dangerous people without any evidence to tell me that I am.

Riaanna · 18/04/2025 20:59

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:57

The second time I met my now partner, I drove 140 miles and stayed at his house for the weekend without telling a single soul where that was.

Still alive, turns out he’s not a murderer. Sure that was a risk, but I didn’t assume I even could have died during that weekend - because I don’t just assume that anyone is dangerous.

Then you’re foolish.

CantStopMoving · 18/04/2025 21:00

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:57

The second time I met my now partner, I drove 140 miles and stayed at his house for the weekend without telling a single soul where that was.

Still alive, turns out he’s not a murderer. Sure that was a risk, but I didn’t assume I even could have died during that weekend - because I don’t just assume that anyone is dangerous.

You can be lucky a million times But you only have to be unlucky once

MsDitsy · 18/04/2025 21:00

Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 14:28

There are 8834 people in the UK who have a Gender Recognition Certificate.
I am one of them.

To get it, I had to show evidence of transition, surgery etc. Lots of hoops

I also had to swear a Statutory Declaration. I had to go to a Magistrates Court and swear a legal declaration in front of a magistrate. It was all very formal.

I had to swear this:

" have lived as a (insert ‘male’ or ‘female’ as appropriate)
throughout the period of years before the date of this statutory
declaration and I intend to live in that gender until death."

This declaration is legally binding. Apparently if I don't follow this, I can be done for perjury.

So...how do I live as a female and live in that gender until death - I have sworn to do this in front of a magistrate.

I was very surprised that so few trans people have Gender Recognition Certificates.

I have a fabulous female friend at work, built like a man, dresses like a man, happily married to a lovely guy, wants kids etc. She wouldn't get a second glance walking into a male toilet but I know one time someone said to her, oh, this is the ladies! . If you come across as a woman, whether you are in jeans and t-shirt or a dress, and I met you in the loos, I'd never think to challenge you. I want to pee, wash my hands and get out. I mostly do clothes shopping online but in a shop, most cubicles are separate and again I would not think to challenge you unless you were being creepy and I'd challenge any man or woman who was being creepy. Do you look do much like a guy even after all that surgery that you think you would be challenged?

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 18/04/2025 21:00

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:53

In all honesty - yes.

There was a video a while ago of someone getting out of a lift because a trans woman was in it, and I thought to myself then “would they have done that if it was just a bloke.”

Turns out some people would. They’re just that suspicious and unsure around everyone who was born a male.

Honestly? I think that’s sad. My partner for example is no more likely to murder you than he is to grow a second head. If he’s walking down the road, he’s probably just going somewhere.

The idea that some think we should be living so on edge, all the time, and assuming the very worst - is a huge shame IMO.

As I mentioned previously, that’s not because I’ve never experienced male violence. It’s because I genuinely don’t see a need to conflate the behaviour of some men, with the intentions of all of them.

My husband also wouldn't murder you. He has an uncanny ability to just put everyone at ease, when they meet him in a normal situation.

But I can understand that if he was walking behind a woman who didn't know him in a dark alley, she may feel nervous because she doesn't know him.

I do not know your partner. I may not get out of a lift if he was the only other person in it, but that doesn't mean I would be completely comfortable in that scenario. Two men I didn't recognise got in our office lift the other day when I was in it alone and it did cross my mind that I could be one of those stories you hear.

Risk management. You can't not live your life but equally, you know there's men who are predators out there so you have to avoid becoming a victim as much as you can.

Riaanna · 18/04/2025 21:00

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:59

They don’t, but the point I continue to make is that I don’t assume I’m at risk or in the company of dangerous people without any evidence to tell me that I am.

Why?

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 21:01

Riaanna · 18/04/2025 20:59

Then you’re foolish.

And on this occasion, not wrong. Thought there wasn’t a risk, isn’t one.

MyShiningTigerLight · 18/04/2025 21:03

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:57

The second time I met my now partner, I drove 140 miles and stayed at his house for the weekend without telling a single soul where that was.

Still alive, turns out he’s not a murderer. Sure that was a risk, but I didn’t assume I even could have died during that weekend - because I don’t just assume that anyone is dangerous.

You’re being quite naïve to the realities of many women.

My neighbour travelled to meet someone she’d met several
times before and ended up being drugged and gang raped by him and his friends.

Not everyone is lucky enough to get away with it, it doesn’t hurt to be cautious, and there are plenty of men out there who happily treat women like shit, and plenty of “decent” men content to sit by and not say a word.

Delphigirl · 18/04/2025 21:06

recipientofraspberries · 18/04/2025 20:46

Something I'm not seeing many people addressing is that the logical conclusion of trans women having to use men's toilets is that trans men will have to now use women's toilets. Have any of you seen some trans men? Do you think it's a victory that they will now have to come into womens' toilets?

Yes no problem with that

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 18/04/2025 21:08

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 21:01

And on this occasion, not wrong. Thought there wasn’t a risk, isn’t one.

Well done for not being murdered or raped.

It could have gone the other way, easily, because going 140 miles away with no-one knowing where you are to meet anyone you barely know is not particularly safety conscious.

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 21:08

Riaanna · 18/04/2025 21:00

Why?

Why?

Because I don’t make negative assumptions about people I don’t know.

Because I don’t believe having male chromosomes automatically means you’re going to kill me in my sleep.

Because I understand entirely that dangerous men exist, having met them, but I don’t believe that means they’re all like that and I should just naturally worry.

Because I don’t believe living in constant fear is something I need to do.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 18/04/2025 21:10

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 21:08

Why?

Because I don’t make negative assumptions about people I don’t know.

Because I don’t believe having male chromosomes automatically means you’re going to kill me in my sleep.

Because I understand entirely that dangerous men exist, having met them, but I don’t believe that means they’re all like that and I should just naturally worry.

Because I don’t believe living in constant fear is something I need to do.

There's a middle ground between living in constant fear and being as flippant about safety as you are.

Don't immediately trust people, but still go about your life.

It's mainly men who hurt women, but I say people because anyone could hurt you, especially if you just immediately trust them because they didn't try to kill you on sight.

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