So how do I live in the female gender?

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There are 8834 people in the UK who have a Gender Recognition Certificate.
I am one of them.

To get it, I had to show evidence of transition, surgery etc. Lots of hoops

I also had to swear a Statutory Declaration. I had to go to a Magistrates Court and swear a legal declaration in front of a magistrate. It was all very formal.

I had to swear this:

" have lived as a (insert ‘male’ or ‘female’ as appropriate)
throughout the period of years before the date of this statutory
declaration and I intend to live in that gender until death."

This declaration is legally binding. Apparently if I don't follow this, I can be done for perjury.

So...how do I live as a female and live in that gender until death - I have sworn to do this in front of a magistrate.

I was very surprised that so few trans people have Gender Recognition Certificates.

You don’t like it so you declare the data pointless?
That’s not how it works.

I don’t know whether they had ginger hair or not, but trying to compare a known precedence for a group to commit sex crimes with a hair colour is odd and stinks of desperation on your part to continue this little pickme handmaiden thing you’ve got going for yourself.

I am one of those who hold a GRC, (female to male)
I jumped through similar hoops to you to obtain it. I couldn’t get it without hormones and surgery.

So at the time it was the legal document that ‘proved’ i was male in the eyes of society and the law

But things are different now, a GRC is utterly worthless.
Because anyone can self ID and demand the same right as whatever gender they claim to be, they can even change their mind whenever they feel like it.

You can’t ‘be’ a woman anymore then I can ‘be’ a man because we can’t change our physical sex. We were largely sold a lie in that respect.

Gender is a social concerto
you can wear ‘women’s’ clothes, makeup, take up typically female hobbies.

But ultimately, just be yourself, and if you feel like you’re living as close to a woman as you can, fantastic.

The main thing you can do as a trans women is to respect women, respect that they have a very different experience in life because they are women, and that you have a different experience because you were born male, and went through whatever you went through.

Don’t demand to be treated like a woman
or ask for, or expect special treatment, don’t encroach on female only spaces to prove you are a woman

And just be happy

I don’t know the specific proportions, but as I mention - I do believe and understand that some use the label of trans because they have a sexual or criminal motive.

I don’t think that makes it fair or right to treat other trans people poorly, or without respect.

Nonsense. Nobody’s serving a prison sentence for prostitution. You can’t just make stuff up to avoid unpalatable truths.

I have no issue with a trans women who is fully transitioned - top and bottom surgery using changing rooms or toilets.

It's trans women who still have a penis i mind invading my space

why Should the provision of women only spaces ‘ be done with respect for the needs of Trans women as well.’

They have nothing to do with each other.

Indeed. According to government statistics 18% of the male prison population are in for sexual offences (note this stat will include all males, ie including those who identify as trans women) . So, statistically transgender males are AT LEAST 2.8x more likely to be sex offenders than non transgender males.

I’ll let the stats speak for themselves.

I need to be educated.

Trans people are protected by law against discrimination.

The ruling was about what the term woman means in law.

How does that affect how you live?

Are you saying can I declare I am a woman when completing official documents - maybe if it allows you to declare your sex at birth. Many now do.

Are you saying you can't use female toilets? Pragmatically speaking, it might be safest for you to use them. Females might object to this if you are a rapist (and rightly so). They may also object if you have not had gender reassignment surgery or aren't on hormones because you would physiologically be a man.

Are you saying you cannot apply for a job specifying women only candidates? Not sure on this one, but if I was a woman using services tgat dpecify women only employees, then I would need you be physiologically transitioned to female and on hormones.

Sorry I can't think how else you might be concerned about this legal definition of a woman affecting how you live. I'd suggest you carry on regardless.

Than what women?

Ooh pick me and handmaiden? They’re new. Tick those off the bingo sheet.

Is it really that hard to believe that not every woman believes that men are just naturally out to get us?

Call me old fashioned, or whatever you like really, I just think people should treat each other respectfully regardless of what they were born or identify as.

Something I'm not seeing many people addressing is that the logical conclusion of trans women having to use men's toilets is that trans men will have to now use women's toilets. Have any of you seen some trans men? Do you think it's a victory that they will now have to come into womens' toilets?

“How do I live in the female gender?” I honestly don’t know. I think there is a way of living like that equal to the number of women and girls on the planet.

I’m female. I wear men’s shoes, socks, tops, jackets and deodorant (all fit better or perform better). Can’t do make up. Don’t care about fashion, make up, hair, hand bags, jewellery.

i have “stereotypical” male interests and hobbies. I can strip and fire a rifle.

there’s no one way to be a woman.

there is sex and personality.

my sex is female and my personality is me. I only know how to feel like and live as me. I think this is the same for many women

Trans women however can not change

their chromosomes
their innate nature
their strength
their stature

As such their ability to overpower a women.
That, very simply, is why there are single sex spaces.

Your last sentence re penis intact. You are aware I’m guessing that we can’t ask them all to undress to ‘prove it’. So it’s an all out rule ! Hurrar!!!

No. It's not hard to believe that. Because we all know that not all men are out to get women.

But there are men who are out to get women. And unless they helpfully tattoo that fact across their forehead, how do we distinguish when we don't know the man?

Is it that hard for you to understand that many women won't just naturally trust a strange man because of everything they have experienced and seen/heard/read?

Different types of trans women? It seems like you might actually mean different types of men.

This is obfuscation. Hair colour is an irrelevant characteristic with regard to sex crime. Very many sex offenders will have dark hair (just under 50% if they conform to the average for the UK). But it would be very silly to steer clear of dark haired men in case they sexually assaulted you. Similarly, other “identifying features” - degrees of baldness, shoe size, choice of deodorant - would be equally unhelpful.
However, if a relatively high proportion of convicted sex offenders claim to be transgender - a condition that argues at least some confusion as to sex roles and sex itself - it does seem to indicate a link between sexual offending and trans identification.
This is not saying that a high proportion of trans identifying men are sex offenders, but it is indicative that some trans identifying men are more prone to committing sex crimes than the general population of men.

OP I really feel for you. I hate the thought of people being so distressed by this ruling.

From my own experience, I have always believed in being kind to people who were different and in my 20s, if I saw a trans woman in the women’s toilet I would just ignore and carry on as I would with any other passing stranger. I would never make a fuss or have shown that I clocked them but women can always tell. I don’t buy the argument that women are more at risk now from being misgendered since the ruling. We can always tell.

I wish we could go back to those days. The trans activists have ruined this and I’ve lost patience with trying to reason with anyone who comes out with TWAW. I am sick and tired of being labelled right wing over this issue so feel massive relief at this ruling. It’s crap for you, it really is but women can’t be expected to compromise their spaces and safety. You should be ok for toilets as so many places have moved towards separate cubicles. There are people who will accept you as a woman but others who will never do so. You don’t have the power to do anything to change opinions on this so step away from the internet for your own peace and well being x

You can’t. No more than I can live as a horse. I could eat hay, live in a stable, I’d still not be a horse. It is what it is, we are what we are.

I suppose what I mean is that I think it’s important to have women only spaces however I also would not want that to mean that a trans woman would need to use male toilets or not have anywhere to go for a wee at all, so there need to be appropriate spaces too.

It’s safer for women
Thats the concern

I don’t care if they’ve grown a beard as long as they aren’t a man

I neither know nor care but stay out of my sport/hospital ward/public loo/changing room etc.

Being a woman isn't about what you wear, what you say, what you look like or what you call yourself. I actually find gender ideology regressive and based on sexist stereotypes. The only thing that unites all women is our biology.

This is so well put. 👏 And explains perfectly the fact that trans women will only ever be a parody of a woman.

I don’t go around my daily life thinking every man is going to assault me. I do avoid, however putting myself in vulnerable situations. I find it very strange that you would happily do that. for instance-

I wouldn’t get into a cab drunk and alone with a male driver however they present
i wouldn't walk down an unlit alleyway in the dark
I wouldn’t sit in a train carriage alone with a male however they present. If I had to I would sit as far away as I could.
i wouldn’t have gone on a date with someone without letting my friend know where i was going and who i was with

If you would do these things you are in a minority .

In all honesty - yes.

There was a video a while ago of someone getting out of a lift because a trans woman was in it, and I thought to myself then “would they have done that if it was just a bloke.”

Turns out some people would. They’re just that suspicious and unsure around everyone who was born a male.

Honestly? I think that’s sad. My partner for example is no more likely to murder you than he is to grow a second head. If he’s walking down the road, he’s probably just going somewhere.

The idea that some think we should be living so on edge, all the time, and assuming the very worst - is a huge shame IMO.

As I mentioned previously, that’s not because I’ve never experienced male violence. It’s because I genuinely don’t see a need to conflate the behaviour of some men, with the intentions of all of them.