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So how do I live in the female gender?

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Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 14:28

There are 8834 people in the UK who have a Gender Recognition Certificate.
I am one of them.

To get it, I had to show evidence of transition, surgery etc. Lots of hoops

I also had to swear a Statutory Declaration. I had to go to a Magistrates Court and swear a legal declaration in front of a magistrate. It was all very formal.

I had to swear this:

" have lived as a (insert ‘male’ or ‘female’ as appropriate)
throughout the period of years before the date of this statutory
declaration and I intend to live in that gender until death."

This declaration is legally binding. Apparently if I don't follow this, I can be done for perjury.

So...how do I live as a female and live in that gender until death - I have sworn to do this in front of a magistrate.

I was very surprised that so few trans people have Gender Recognition Certificates.

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DrPrunesqualer · 18/04/2025 20:18

CantStopMoving · 18/04/2025 20:13

Not my understanding. If something is now declared a single sex space it means biological sex. If an organisation wants to admit trans people (as they are absolutely allowed to) then they cannot refer to whatever the space is as single sex. They will have to refer to it as mixed gender.

Or rather mixed

As gender is a term not recognised by some and as such would be excluding another ‘type’ of person / belief.

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 18/04/2025 20:20

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:16

This time 81 out of the 163 transgender prisoners in England and Wales had at least one conviction for a sexual offence…”

Let’s assume there are more than 81 convicted sex offending males who aren’t transgender in the prison population.

How many of those men are ginger? If it’s 79, do we avoid the ginger men specifically moving forward?

Okay. Being transgender is an identifying factor for 81 convicted sex offenders. But unless we’re going to start breaking it into other identifying features, I’m not really sure I see the point in even having the data.

The point of the data is that 50% of trans prisoners are in for sexual offences.

The proportion of male prisoners overall who are convicted of sex offences won’t be as high as 50%.

So either transwomen are more law abiding than the average man in most other areas of crime, while sex offending at the same rate.

Or they offend in other ways at the same rate as regular men but they’re more likely than the average man to commit sex crimes.

Which could it be?

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:20

SpidersAreShitheads · 18/04/2025 20:05

I don't have that list, but you'd be correct. The number of attacks by non-trans-identifying men would be way longer - but that's because there's vastly more of them.

IIRC trans individuals make up less than 1% of the population? And I assume that includes trans men, ie/biological females.

So it's a very tiny number of individuals and yet there's a very long list of sexual attacks. Bear in mind, this isn't even all types of attacks, nor an exhaustive list. Proportionally, it's enormous.

But your point is excellent - men are dangerous. And that's why we keep them out of single sex spaces where we are vulnerable. As the previous list shows, the danger is still present when men identify as women. They are still a threat to us.

Incidentally, I do have stats which show the number of sexual offenders in the prison trans population compared to both female and male populations. I'll add it here. Interestingly, it shows there's a much higher number of sexual predators in the trans community - even compared to the general male population.

Obviously, there are many lovely trans people who wouldn't hurt a fly. The point is that we can't tell which ones are dangerous. Just like the general male population as you correctly pointed out. All of this just adds to the reasons why we need single sex spaces that are correctly defined by biological sex. For the OP, that sucks, and I'm sorry, but that still doesn't mean that women should be exposed to a greater risk of attacks. And as the stats show, there is VERY clearly a risk.

Criminals are dangerous. Sex offending men are dangerous. Murderers are dangerous.

Surely we cannot be assuming that all men could be murderers, for example.

DrPrunesqualer · 18/04/2025 20:21

TiredCatLady · 18/04/2025 20:05

Assuming you’re TW.

Be treated like shit.
Be spoken to like shit.
Be expected to clean other people’s shit and generally be a fucking serf.
Earn lower wages just because of what’s between your legs.
Be prepared to have your healthcare rights sacrificed on the alter of religious nut jobs.
Be refused jobs because “you might fuck off to have a child”.
Be passed up for promotion repeatedly because “you might fuck off to have a child”.
Be prepared to be told “you’re wrong” and no explanation given.
Be prepared for an entire boardroom to fall asleep during your presentation, talk to the man that’s with you or just straight fucking laugh. They do.
Be prepared for every single bit of your appearance to be ripped apart.
Be afraid walking home at night.
Be told you can’t age, you must not age but you also shouldn’t have Botox.
Be told you’re fat when you’re a size 10.
You can’t drink too much, you’ll be a loose cannon. It’s not right.
Be told you’re not thin enough and that you also need to eat more.
Be told you’ll regret x when you’re older.
Dont expect too much of men, you’re there to serve them but also Girl Power.
Dont wear skirts that are too short, you’ll leave yourself open to assault.
Dont dress like that, it’s too frumpy.
Dont dress like that, its too suggestive.
Dont say what you’re thinking, men don’t like that.

Go listen and re-listen to America Ferrera’s monologue from the Barbie movie. I’m not joking.

Edited

Just a Wonderful post

Who in their right minds would want this AND still Trans people who want this want to take away the very little we actually have!

CherryBlossomPie · 18/04/2025 20:21

There's no need for deliberately obtuse replies to the OP. But also to the OP, what parts are you struggling with and maybe we can help with those?

I didn't know about gender recognition certificates.

The thing is really that there is no handbook for being a woman or a man. The certificate is a mark of respect and act of allowing you dignity. It's kind of up to you to figure it out I guess.

But my advice is just be yourself. If you have to try to get recognition of your authenticity....well that is self defeating...authenticity is about simple things like good friends, being outdoors, enjoying nature etc. Be you, be happy.

CantStopMoving · 18/04/2025 20:23

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:20

Criminals are dangerous. Sex offending men are dangerous. Murderers are dangerous.

Surely we cannot be assuming that all men could be murderers, for example.

Well technically all men could be murderers! How do we know who have the potential and who don’t ? Do the ones who have a potential to be a murderer wear a badge so we can avoid ?

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 18/04/2025 20:23

Nextdoor55 · 18/04/2025 19:59

Transpeople are a targeted group. They are prone to physical attacks.
The way women claim to be scared & victimised. The law is now targeting trans people in the same way. I'm embarrassed frankly.

Says who? Repeating it doesn’t make it fact.

NotTerfNorCis · 18/04/2025 20:24

It's an interesting question.

A male person can never completely 'live as a woman' because he doesn't have a female body. What he can do is trick people into thinking he is female. That means he'll be treated according to society's perception of how women should be treated. Then he'd be 'living in the female gender role'.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 18/04/2025 20:24

Remember, Freddy Seahorse chap has a GRC (as far as I know) and they got pregnant and had a child. As a man. No prosecution. So…

Freddy McConnell had a child as a woman and was not allowed by the courts to be registered as the baby's father. The judge said that the person who gave birth to the baby was legally a woman (which Freddy biologically is).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddy_McConnell

Freddy McConnell - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddy_McConnell

LobeliaBaggins · 18/04/2025 20:26

Man, the number of women who think single sex spaces are unnecessary.

You can continue in your mixed spaces. What you can't do is force the rest of us to accept them. Or be kind any more.

That ship has sailed.

BigHeadBertha · 18/04/2025 20:26

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 18/04/2025 20:20

The point of the data is that 50% of trans prisoners are in for sexual offences.

The proportion of male prisoners overall who are convicted of sex offences won’t be as high as 50%.

So either transwomen are more law abiding than the average man in most other areas of crime, while sex offending at the same rate.

Or they offend in other ways at the same rate as regular men but they’re more likely than the average man to commit sex crimes.

Which could it be?

Um, if that strange statistic is even true, I'd wager it's for the "sexual offense" of prostitution. Seeing as how transpeople are hugely discriminated against, often even kicked out of their homes as minors by their parents, and you know, have to eat and stuff.

Picking on the easiest targets among us is not a good look.

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:29

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 18/04/2025 20:20

The point of the data is that 50% of trans prisoners are in for sexual offences.

The proportion of male prisoners overall who are convicted of sex offences won’t be as high as 50%.

So either transwomen are more law abiding than the average man in most other areas of crime, while sex offending at the same rate.

Or they offend in other ways at the same rate as regular men but they’re more likely than the average man to commit sex crimes.

Which could it be?

No idea.

I genuinely think it’s likely that a minority of trans prisoners have used it as a means to commit crime.

Those people are criminals, are wrong to do so, and don’t represent the entire trans community.

They don’t represent the trans community at all, IMO.

That is because I don’t believe that criminal males, of any type, represent the male population generally. Yes, I’m a “not all men” person.

There are dangerous men. There are dangerous trans people, who likely aren’t genuinely trans. That doesn’t mean all men are dangerous, or that all trans people are, and I don’t buy into the idea of punishing people for other people’s wrongdoing.

GoldPoster · 18/04/2025 20:29

If I were you I’d just carry on as you are, if you’ve had all the surgery and presumably pass well I doubt that anyone will challenge you in public. That’s if you don’t tell everyone about your transition etc. Just keep it private and no one will know.

NotTerfNorCis · 18/04/2025 20:29

BigHeadBertha · 18/04/2025 20:26

Um, if that strange statistic is even true, I'd wager it's for the "sexual offense" of prostitution. Seeing as how transpeople are hugely discriminated against, often even kicked out of their homes as minors by their parents, and you know, have to eat and stuff.

Picking on the easiest targets among us is not a good look.

It's not for prostitution. These are predatory sexual offences. But there is a counter-argument, which is that when trans people are imprisoned for shorter sentences, their trans status isn't recorded. That means trans status is only recorded for more serious crimes, which include sexual offences.

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 18/04/2025 20:30

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:20

Criminals are dangerous. Sex offending men are dangerous. Murderers are dangerous.

Surely we cannot be assuming that all men could be murderers, for example.

Of course we fucking do. Its why we let our friends know who we’re going a date with and where to. Because we don’t know WHICH men are the dangerous ones and the price is too high to gamble that they’re all the good ones.

We still want to live our lives so we bravely put ourselves out there anyway, going out, meeting people, going to men’s houses, letting them into ours. Believing that the more we know them, the lower the risk. The saddest part is that the ones we get to know best pose the biggest risk in the end.

Being a woman and aware of the world is exhausting. If you’re honestly not considering that any man you meet could wish harm on you or your kids you’re not paying attention .

WilfredsPies · 18/04/2025 20:31

@Flowergirlie91

I need to make an amendment to my previous comment to you and, annoyingly, I’ve missed the short window to edit it.

I wrote ‘Take Connie Shaw for example, who walked into a woman’s toilet in a nightclub and refused to leave, saying he was a woman. By all accounts, Connie didn’t actually need to use the loo though. I wonder why Connie wanted to be in there? Can you think of any reasons? Could it be that moustachioed Connie was not being completely truthful when he claimed he was a woman?’ when in fact, Connie is actually the woman who reported the man. My sincere apologies to Connie, I was doing two things at once, trying to load photos (which also failed 🤦‍♀️) and didn’t read it properly.

DrPrunesqualer · 18/04/2025 20:34

BigHeadBertha · 18/04/2025 20:26

Um, if that strange statistic is even true, I'd wager it's for the "sexual offense" of prostitution. Seeing as how transpeople are hugely discriminated against, often even kicked out of their homes as minors by their parents, and you know, have to eat and stuff.

Picking on the easiest targets among us is not a good look.

Prostitutes very rarely go to jail.
As such Its highly unlikely these sexual offences are because of prostitution.

Crazybaby123 · 18/04/2025 20:34

Be human, be kind, be a good person first. Don't lose sight of that.
Then battle mysogyny until the day you die, never feel enough, have all men judge you and have expectations put upon you by others of what a woman should act like, sound like, dress like and behave like, constantly battle those. Never know which man will have which expectations, just that they will and they will be at best confused or at worst livid and aggressive when you don't match their expectations.
Live in fear of walking alone, live with glass ceilings and live with boundaries.
Live with lower wages and limited opportunities.
Live to fight, live to be brave, live to care.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 18/04/2025 20:35

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:05

I don’t believe we should be actively making people uncomfortable either, male or female.

Which was what the PP suggested.

We are not actively making anyone uncomfortable. They were already in that uncomfortable position. It is on not women to change that. It's on society as a whole.

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:37

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 18/04/2025 20:30

Of course we fucking do. Its why we let our friends know who we’re going a date with and where to. Because we don’t know WHICH men are the dangerous ones and the price is too high to gamble that they’re all the good ones.

We still want to live our lives so we bravely put ourselves out there anyway, going out, meeting people, going to men’s houses, letting them into ours. Believing that the more we know them, the lower the risk. The saddest part is that the ones we get to know best pose the biggest risk in the end.

Being a woman and aware of the world is exhausting. If you’re honestly not considering that any man you meet could wish harm on you or your kids you’re not paying attention .

I’m aware of the world enough to know that not everyone in it intends to harm me?

Amongst ‘smaller scale’ stuff, I have been a legitimate victim of male violence to two men.

One of them was my father. The other an ex partner who tried to kill me. Both at home, at various times.

Unless OP, or my current partner, or the random guy behind me just trying to walk to the shop, is either of those people - what has it got to do with them.

Why would I punish or suspect people I don’t know, because other people have made shitty choices?

DrPrunesqualer · 18/04/2025 20:37

GoldPoster · 18/04/2025 20:29

If I were you I’d just carry on as you are, if you’ve had all the surgery and presumably pass well I doubt that anyone will challenge you in public. That’s if you don’t tell everyone about your transition etc. Just keep it private and no one will know.

Although obviously OP will not be allowed to use womens single sex spaces.
Women, businesses and organisations will point this out now.

We have the right

Miniatureschnauzers · 18/04/2025 20:38

Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 19:28

I was sexually assaulted by a man when I was walking home.

I’m probably going to get blasted for this, but, having read the OP’s posts, I think they sound like they experienced gender dysphoria for many years and (for what ever reasons) were living in a body that they hated and that did not feel right. It sounds like other boys and men recognised the OP’s difference and discriminated on account of this. It doesn’t sound to me like the OP is pushing to use women’s toilets but explaining that it would also feel hugely uncomfortable to use men’s toilets, which I think is understandable. So I think we need more toilets suitable for trans women and to maintain women-only spaces too. I do think that many trans people deeply understand discrimination. I also agree that as I’ve lived as a girl and women throughout my life (and experienced the daily fear of being followed/flashed at etc etc etc) it is enormously important to maintain spaces exclusively for women assigned female at birth. But that needs to be done with respect for the needs of trans women as well.

Silversixpenny · 18/04/2025 20:39

Nextdoor55 · 18/04/2025 20:03

Aye? What record? Where? Show the record please I want to see this.

Why? If I were to spend my time and effort "proving" this, it's a trick. It would be not enough, too biased etc (some reason to justify the thoughts in your head) that there is nothing I could bring as "evidence you'd be happy with.

Go and do it yourself if you're that interested.

NotTerfNorCis · 18/04/2025 20:40

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 20:29

No idea.

I genuinely think it’s likely that a minority of trans prisoners have used it as a means to commit crime.

Those people are criminals, are wrong to do so, and don’t represent the entire trans community.

They don’t represent the trans community at all, IMO.

That is because I don’t believe that criminal males, of any type, represent the male population generally. Yes, I’m a “not all men” person.

There are dangerous men. There are dangerous trans people, who likely aren’t genuinely trans. That doesn’t mean all men are dangerous, or that all trans people are, and I don’t buy into the idea of punishing people for other people’s wrongdoing.

There are different kinds of 'transwomen'. Apart from the minority who have believed they were in the wrong body from childhood, there is a much larger number of men acting out sexual fetishes. Those can include predatory fantasies and actions. This is a large part of why 'transwomen are women' is a problem.

BigHeadBertha · 18/04/2025 20:40

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 18/04/2025 20:23

Says who? Repeating it doesn’t make it fact.

Foolish post. What you're "snowflake smashing" is actually very easily verified with a simple internet search.

Picking on the easiest targets among us is not a good look.

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