Labour isn't working Thread 2

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

Agreed. Streeting did the media round two days in a row after the local elections. Did I read something about him taking a £50K 'donation' from a private health firm? I can't remember where I saw that.

Yes he did, you're right.

Presumably they'd find him a spot on a safe seat if that came to pass. As tragic as that would be. I just can't think who'd have the media profile who might appeal beyond what remains of the party faithful, I don't see Rayner would be capable of that.

yeah, he did. Apparently he is putting it towards staffing costs in his constituency. At least he didn't blow it on a jazzy suit and focus group approved specs.

I'm amazed anyone could vote Labour in Wales - after 26 years of a Welsh Labour government, the country is destroyed.

I think Streeting is the only one who looks capable but he'd be a lameduck leader if he lost his seat which looks likely.

Even the likes of Cooper and the hapless Rayner are projected to lose their seats now.

Aah, I see.
Well I agree that he's the only cabinet minister who looks remotely capable and competent right now. What a mess.
Starmer seems to be standing by his chancellor at any cost.

I quite liked Streeting during his time in opposition. I'm not as keen now but he's still performing far better than a lot of his colleagues in the cabinet.

To be honest, a dead slug could perform better than a lot of the cabinet!

It’s such a long time. In a roundabout way Starmer getting in removes some of the excuses Labour there used. They can’t blame the Tories as Labour are in power.

There will still be constant reference to 14 years of Tory government, etc. I would like to see them punished harshly in next year's Senedd elections but given how firmly entrenched Labour is within Wales, I'm not too optimistic.

Plaid Cymru is massively ahead of Labour right now. But a lot could change in a year.

As Eluned Morgan said yesterday, what works for Essex doesn't work for Barry.

Trouble is, what works for Islington, doesn't work for the red wall either. Starmer and co are completely disconnected from their core vote, as are the liberal elite Labour supporters on MN.

I agree with you on about Labour being disconnected from its core voters Nuthatch, surprisingly enough, though I don't know what you mean by the "liberal elite Labour supporters" on MN. How do you define "elite"?

Liberal elitism isn't something that I need to explain on this thread.

There's no way that Labour will find themselves in favour in Wales for some time now. Even by December, along with the rest of the country, they had lost a fuck tonne of support and down to 18% voting intention and slipping against Plaid Cymru on 24%. Now those figures are 18% and 30% - and additionally in that time, Reform has waxed and then waned a little in support but is now consistently ahead of Labour. I'm not sure what Labour is doing that could offer any hope that those figures could look better by next year's Senedd election?

But, hey, it's just polls, right?

Another Plaid Cymru/Labour coalition will probably be the result for Wales in 2026. I would be happy with a PC majority, though.

Plaid was clear yesterday that their success was due to the feeling of betrayal that voters felt with Labour. I think the brand will be increasingly toxic, we'll have to see what comes of the Autumn budget - that will be important.

It'll be interesting to see how the D'Hondt method will alter the allocation of seats anyway.

Survation poll for Scotland shows Reform coming second, pushing Labour into third.

SNP 38%
Reform 20%
Labour 18%

I agree with Plaid. Labour has lots more time to woo back voters for Westminster elections, but whether it can do so in time for Senedd elections less likely. Also agree the new method will be interesting.

That's some drop for labour to end up behind reform. Even as recently as March there was clear daylight between the two of them.

I'm not sure what might woo voters back PandoraSocks. I guess it's a long time in politics but it seems further an faster into a nose dive at this point.

It's not surprising really is it, look what they are doing. This is 700K in addition to the 250K already set out in the impact assessment.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/07/disability-benefit-cuts-to-hit-700000-families-already-in-poverty-dwp-forecasts-show

So, that's 700,000 people with disabilities who are already in poverty who are earmarked for more poverty? And 3.2 million families who it will affect in total. But, did they promise to look really, really sad when they do it? Because, that's the main thing, right?

I simply cannot wait for the analysis on the revenue Labour have ultimately raised from their non-dom reforms, and PS VAT imposition.

I am willing to wager they will be net negative. Anyone care to take the other side of the bet?

A vicious bunch of cretins. morons.

No dice, you can keep that bet.