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Labour isn't working Thread 2

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TheNuthatch · 05/04/2025 22:18

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

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2dogsandabudgie · 06/05/2025 18:16

I honestly think they want Reform to win the next General Election.

MyNameIsX · 06/05/2025 18:17

TheNuthatch · 06/05/2025 18:13

I'm actually speechless. What the fuck were they thinking!

I seem to recall that discussions have been going on for several years, so I guess Starmer wanted some political points on the board, presumably in an attempt at distraction…

Excuse the pun, but not certain it will curry favour with Muslim workers…

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/05/2025 18:18

They say there will be a boost for the industry, but it's cheaper to hire Indian workers, on 'temporary' visas, and if there are visa restriction easing, then who will profit from this?

Shareholders, that's who. Not the workers. Sorry, ex workers.

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/05/2025 18:41

I would be very
worried about my job if I were in IT or customer services.

PandoraSocks · 06/05/2025 18:46

I think perhaps there is some misunderstanding?

Indian workers coming to the UK will be exempt from paying National Insurance Contributions for up to three years and vice versa for UK workers going to India. It simply means that people don't have to pay two lots of contributions in two different countries for the same period. There are similar existing reciprocal agreements between the UK and other countries. This isn't something Starmer has invented.

PandoraSocks · 06/05/2025 18:53

Link to the relevant NICs manual.

www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/national-insurance-manual/nim33010

MyNameIsX · 06/05/2025 18:55

PandoraSocks · 06/05/2025 18:46

I think perhaps there is some misunderstanding?

Indian workers coming to the UK will be exempt from paying National Insurance Contributions for up to three years and vice versa for UK workers going to India. It simply means that people don't have to pay two lots of contributions in two different countries for the same period. There are similar existing reciprocal agreements between the UK and other countries. This isn't something Starmer has invented.

No misunderstanding here.

The NI exemption reciprocity to which you refer, does not account for the difference in net immigration, hence the disquiet.

TheNuthatch · 06/05/2025 18:58

@PandoraSocks

Can you really not see the issue here? Days after Labour had their arse handed to them by Farage!

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MyNameIsX · 06/05/2025 18:55

No misunderstanding here.

The NI exemption reciprocity to which you refer, does not account for the difference in net immigration, hence the disquiet.

Well some people (including Farage) seemed to not understand the NICs aspect. But fair enough.

MyNameIsX · 06/05/2025 19:04

PandoraSocks · 06/05/2025 18:58

Well some people (including Farage) seemed to not understand the NICs aspect. But fair enough.

You know how febrile politics is currently - perception counts. If it transpires that Starmer has cut a bad deal for the UK, he will pay at the polls.

CandidLurker · 06/05/2025 19:06

TheNuthatch · 06/05/2025 17:55

Starmer's India trade deal will make it cheaper for companies to employ Indian workers than British workers. Oh dear.

More “on-shoring” of IT jobs bringing Indian workers to the UK as they are now going to be even cheaper to employ than British workers than they were before.

once here I believe they, and their dependents, qualify to use the NHS, costing nothing to the employer for their healthcare

Upstartled · 06/05/2025 19:07

Labour support taking a hiding in Wales now. Trailing behind Plaid Cymru (30%) and Reform (25%) in the polls with just 18% of the voting intention now.

For comparison, in the general election plaid Cymru and Reform got about 15% each and Labour 37%. So just half of the voters who voted for them in July can stomach them now.

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2025-05-06/labour-support-collapses-as-plaid-cymru-and-reform-battle-it-out-itv-poll

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/05/2025 19:07

Tell me you don’t work and you don’t have to worry about your job without telling you don’t work.

Upstartled · 06/05/2025 19:09

I try to work as little as possible 😁

EasternStandard · 06/05/2025 19:11

MyNameIsX · 06/05/2025 18:55

No misunderstanding here.

The NI exemption reciprocity to which you refer, does not account for the difference in net immigration, hence the disquiet.

Fair point

PandoraSocks · 06/05/2025 19:15

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/05/2025 19:07

Tell me you don’t work and you don’t have to worry about your job without telling you don’t work.

If that is to me. I am self employed, admittedly not full time, and I am also a full time carer. AI is impacting on the former, but I don't have to worry about anyone wanting to steal the latter of my roles, it is true.

Previous to this I was employed for decades and know exactly how it feels to worry about my job.

EasternStandard · 06/05/2025 19:17

Upstartled · 06/05/2025 19:07

Labour support taking a hiding in Wales now. Trailing behind Plaid Cymru (30%) and Reform (25%) in the polls with just 18% of the voting intention now.

For comparison, in the general election plaid Cymru and Reform got about 15% each and Labour 37%. So just half of the voters who voted for them in July can stomach them now.

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2025-05-06/labour-support-collapses-as-plaid-cymru-and-reform-battle-it-out-itv-poll

Blimey. If that happens it’ll counter some of the local elections stuff about Labour not being as affected by Reform.

TheNuthatch · 06/05/2025 19:19

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/05/2025 18:41

I would be very
worried about my job if I were in IT or customer services.

Yep. This will also impact construction. I've noticed quite an increase in construction workers coming from India over that past few years.

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TheNuthatch · 06/05/2025 19:24

Upstartled · 06/05/2025 19:07

Labour support taking a hiding in Wales now. Trailing behind Plaid Cymru (30%) and Reform (25%) in the polls with just 18% of the voting intention now.

For comparison, in the general election plaid Cymru and Reform got about 15% each and Labour 37%. So just half of the voters who voted for them in July can stomach them now.

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2025-05-06/labour-support-collapses-as-plaid-cymru-and-reform-battle-it-out-itv-poll

Explains why the Welsh first minister was distancing herself from Starmer today.
Labour don't seem to be learning from it, just ploughing on regardless.

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MyNameIsX · 06/05/2025 19:26

Reuters.

While Starmer is seeking to generate growth, political opponents criticised the deal for provisions it had on business mobility and social security amid public concern over immigration.

The free trade deal provides for easier mobility of certain professionals, while under a separate pact workers no longer have to make social security contributions in both India and Britain during temporary postings in the other country.

Kemi Badenoch, a former trade minister who now leads the opposition Conservative Party, said she had refused to sign a similar deal because of India's demands on visa requests and social security.

Britain's trade minister Jonathan Reynolds said the social security pact created a level playing field for India, and emphasised that Britain had rejected requests on more visas for students under the talks.

"There is no impact on the immigration system of the deal that we have agreed," Reynolds told reporters, saying there were only "modest changes" on business mobility.

He said the deal involved gaining certainty for services over the regulations they faced, but efforts to include legal services in the deal came up short.

Meanwhile, financial services will be covered by talks over a bilateral investment treaty. While negotiations on that treaty were conducted in parallel with free trade talks, differences remain and so talks will continue.

Upstartled · 06/05/2025 19:27

Indian nationals account for a huge percentage of the immigration numbers. The ons has 20% for 2024 and gov.uk has 25%. With numbers as high as they are at the moment - it's not a small matter if they then have preferable conditions for employment. Still though, Lammy looks pleased with himself.

Upstartled · 06/05/2025 19:28

EasternStandard · 06/05/2025 19:17

Blimey. If that happens it’ll counter some of the local elections stuff about Labour not being as affected by Reform.

I think we might be in an - anyone but the established parties - territory at the moment.

Upstartled · 06/05/2025 19:31

TheNuthatch · 06/05/2025 19:24

Explains why the Welsh first minister was distancing herself from Starmer today.
Labour don't seem to be learning from it, just ploughing on regardless.

Yeah, I bet.

I don't think if Labour took each stolen wfa allowance to every low income pensioner on a gold plate now that they would get a boost in the polls. They have behaved contemptuously with the electorate - that shit will stick.

Upstartled · 06/05/2025 19:38

Upstartled · 06/05/2025 19:27

Indian nationals account for a huge percentage of the immigration numbers. The ons has 20% for 2024 and gov.uk has 25%. With numbers as high as they are at the moment - it's not a small matter if they then have preferable conditions for employment. Still though, Lammy looks pleased with himself.

I mean it's not surprising - it's a country with 1.46 billion people, vs our - where are we now - 70 million? It has 20x our population, so it's unsurprising that the numbers are inequitable.

EasternStandard · 06/05/2025 19:39

Upstartled · 06/05/2025 19:31

Yeah, I bet.

I don't think if Labour took each stolen wfa allowance to every low income pensioner on a gold plate now that they would get a boost in the polls. They have behaved contemptuously with the electorate - that shit will stick.

Yep they have blown a lot of good will.