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Labour isn't working Thread 2

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TheNuthatch · 05/04/2025 22:18

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

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TheNuthatch · 25/04/2025 14:03

'All this faux war stuff needs to stay as pointless optics and craven politician soundbites only.'

The Times is running a piece today suggesting that the UK government are about to drop their promise of sending ground troops in the event of a peace deal. It would be training only, possibly with sea and air cover.
Maybe that's why helmet-head was on an aircraft carrier yesterday.
The Telegraph were the only paper cruel enough to use that photo on their front page!

Don't worry about the lurkers, take it as a compliment. We knew they would come.

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TheNuthatch · 25/04/2025 14:17

Sorry, that was to @EasternStandard and the top part should have been in italics 🙄.

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EasternStandard · 25/04/2025 14:51

TheNuthatch · 25/04/2025 14:03

'All this faux war stuff needs to stay as pointless optics and craven politician soundbites only.'

The Times is running a piece today suggesting that the UK government are about to drop their promise of sending ground troops in the event of a peace deal. It would be training only, possibly with sea and air cover.
Maybe that's why helmet-head was on an aircraft carrier yesterday.
The Telegraph were the only paper cruel enough to use that photo on their front page!

Don't worry about the lurkers, take it as a compliment. We knew they would come.

Maybe but it’s the over commitment eugh. Anyway if that’s how someone wants to spend their time what can you do.

Interesting about troops. I think the EU are being pushed but without US guarantee so it’s a no go. Good.

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Barbadossunset · 25/04/2025 15:31

Starmer doesn't seem to have any views on anything, and his principles change with the weather.

Very true. As well as women having/not having penises, he also changed his mind about the Royal Family as in his younger days he called for their abolition.

People do change their mind on matters, and that’s fine, but if a Tory MP had when young praised say Mussolini or Pinochet, and then admitted they had been wrong, it would nonetheless been held against them forever.

MyNameIsX · 25/04/2025 21:13

The Home Office has launched a drive for landlords to house asylum seekers following a surge in Channel migrant crossings.
Serco, one of three private contractors working for the Home Office, is offering landlords five-year guaranteed full rent deals to house asylum seekers at the taxpayer’s expense.
In promotional literature, the firm boasts that it is already responsible for more than 30,000 asylum seekers in an “ever growing” portfolio of more than 7,000 properties.

Give me strength….

TheNuthatch · 25/04/2025 21:51

MyNameIsX · 25/04/2025 21:13

The Home Office has launched a drive for landlords to house asylum seekers following a surge in Channel migrant crossings.
Serco, one of three private contractors working for the Home Office, is offering landlords five-year guaranteed full rent deals to house asylum seekers at the taxpayer’s expense.
In promotional literature, the firm boasts that it is already responsible for more than 30,000 asylum seekers in an “ever growing” portfolio of more than 7,000 properties.

Give me strength….

How dare they take thousands of properties off the market that are so badly needed by young people already here. Presumably labour will then boast about closing migrants hotels, and pretend they're saving taxpayer £s.
This is exactly why people are turning to Reform. Absolutely batshit.

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Parsley1234 · 26/04/2025 07:25

My friend is in Dublin the government are not taxing landlords who provide accommodation for migrants FML

Swirlythingy2025 · 27/04/2025 10:54

TheNuthatch · 17/04/2025 17:36

Sorry, I missed this earlier.

You've quoted me twice now, and with respect, I don't understand what you're asking me.

If wages rise, prices rise, but I'm sure you already understand that. Have a lovely weekend.

instead it should be that if wages rise then the company should use the profits for those rises to keep prices competitive for the general public and not auto rise prices.

TheNuthatch · 27/04/2025 12:30

Swirlythingy2025 · 27/04/2025 10:54

instead it should be that if wages rise then the company should use the profits for those rises to keep prices competitive for the general public and not auto rise prices.

We do pay our staff 'proper wages'. They ALL earn more than I do, and they ALL work less hours than my dh. We have still had to reduce headcount since the budget. We're not all filthy rich and operating with massive profit margins you know.
Obviously I don't agree with you, but each to their own.

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Swirlythingy2025 · 27/04/2025 12:35

TheNuthatch · 27/04/2025 12:30

We do pay our staff 'proper wages'. They ALL earn more than I do, and they ALL work less hours than my dh. We have still had to reduce headcount since the budget. We're not all filthy rich and operating with massive profit margins you know.
Obviously I don't agree with you, but each to their own.

but then in that case if th business is not sustainable etc then it folds ?

EasternStandard · 27/04/2025 12:41

Swirlythingy2025 · 27/04/2025 12:35

but then in that case if th business is not sustainable etc then it folds ?

That’s not a good thing though for a gov to aim for, as Labour seem to be doing

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/04/2025 13:03

Swirlythingy2025 · 27/04/2025 12:35

but then in that case if th business is not sustainable etc then it folds ?

And then everybody loses their jobs and state loses revenue.

So who benefits when a business folds?

Swirlythingy2025 · 27/04/2025 13:05

EasternStandard · 27/04/2025 12:41

That’s not a good thing though for a gov to aim for, as Labour seem to be doing

true and i agree, but that seems to be the case for a lot of low level businesses,

TheNuthatch · 27/04/2025 13:51

Swirlythingy2025 · 27/04/2025 13:05

true and i agree, but that seems to be the case for a lot of low level businesses,

No that's not the case at all. Your assumption that any business struggling in the current climate must be unviable is wrong. Its a lie frequently pedalled by the left to justify their ideology. The construction industry is contracting ffs! How is that good for the economy? Where do you think the money for 'proper wages' comes from?
We all have a breaking point and this chancellor seems to see that as a target, rather than something to avoid. Would you welcome a huge rise in unemployment? Is that the ideology, as long as the big bad business is punished?

You've been quoting me once per week now, for a month. I'm done.

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EasternStandard · 27/04/2025 13:56

Swirlythingy2025 · 27/04/2025 13:05

true and i agree, but that seems to be the case for a lot of low level businesses,

‘Low level business’ only get hammered by poor Labour policy.

SMEs are a large part of our economy, it’s beyond ridiculous to stifle them, and try to shut them down rather than help grow them.

Everyone starts out somewhere, any gov should help them rather than knock them out.

Swirlythingy2025 · 27/04/2025 14:02

TheNuthatch · 27/04/2025 13:51

No that's not the case at all. Your assumption that any business struggling in the current climate must be unviable is wrong. Its a lie frequently pedalled by the left to justify their ideology. The construction industry is contracting ffs! How is that good for the economy? Where do you think the money for 'proper wages' comes from?
We all have a breaking point and this chancellor seems to see that as a target, rather than something to avoid. Would you welcome a huge rise in unemployment? Is that the ideology, as long as the big bad business is punished?

You've been quoting me once per week now, for a month. I'm done.

The truth is, if a company’s survival depends on keeping wages in the gutter while everything else rises, then we’re not just talking about short-term problems.

This isn’t about whether the company can turn a profit in the next quarter; it’s about whether the entire system is built to last. If businesses are forced to play this game, then we need to ask the real question: is this the kind of economy we want to keep running? A model where we treat labor like a cost to be minimized at any cost how does that end? Spoiler alert: It doesn’t end well.

You can keep wages low to keep businesses afloat, but at what cost to the broader economy? Is that really the solution we’re after running businesses into the ground and sacrificing worker dignity to keep the wheels turning?

That’s not a sustainable model; that’s a race to the bottom. And let’s be honest, if businesses are backed into a corner like this, that’s a clear sign that we need a new playbook. One that finds a way to balance profitability with fairness. Not this broken model that forces companies to either screw their employees or fold.

And let’s talk about unemployment for a second. If businesses are constantly squeezed and can’t pay decent wages, then you’re not just talking about failing businesses you’re talking about an entire workforce stuck in low-wage, insecure jobs. How does that look for society?

A workforce that’s stuck, struggling to make ends meet while the whole system comes crashing down.

SomethingSScintillating · 27/04/2025 14:02

Yet green Belt is being lost to build homes??

TheNuthatch · 27/04/2025 14:23

Swirlythingy2025 · 27/04/2025 14:02

The truth is, if a company’s survival depends on keeping wages in the gutter while everything else rises, then we’re not just talking about short-term problems.

This isn’t about whether the company can turn a profit in the next quarter; it’s about whether the entire system is built to last. If businesses are forced to play this game, then we need to ask the real question: is this the kind of economy we want to keep running? A model where we treat labor like a cost to be minimized at any cost how does that end? Spoiler alert: It doesn’t end well.

You can keep wages low to keep businesses afloat, but at what cost to the broader economy? Is that really the solution we’re after running businesses into the ground and sacrificing worker dignity to keep the wheels turning?

That’s not a sustainable model; that’s a race to the bottom. And let’s be honest, if businesses are backed into a corner like this, that’s a clear sign that we need a new playbook. One that finds a way to balance profitability with fairness. Not this broken model that forces companies to either screw their employees or fold.

And let’s talk about unemployment for a second. If businesses are constantly squeezed and can’t pay decent wages, then you’re not just talking about failing businesses you’re talking about an entire workforce stuck in low-wage, insecure jobs. How does that look for society?

A workforce that’s stuck, struggling to make ends meet while the whole system comes crashing down.

It's this government who are 'forcing companies to either screw their employees or fold'.

Perhaps you could lobby them instead of me?

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TheNuthatch · 27/04/2025 14:51

Great minds think alike @EasternStandard 😂

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EasternStandard · 27/04/2025 14:53

Haha @TheNuthatch😬

TheNuthatch · 27/04/2025 15:22

Perhaps Starmer will consider resigning, as he did 4 years ago when they tanked in this set of locals elections.
I miss Rishi Sunak.

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MyNameIsX · 27/04/2025 15:40

TheNuthatch · 27/04/2025 15:22

Perhaps Starmer will consider resigning, as he did 4 years ago when they tanked in this set of locals elections.
I miss Rishi Sunak.

For all his faults, Sunak had the measure of Starmer didn’t he?

Repeatedly, he called out Starmer on fiscal policy, on immigration. The toolmakers son was simply left floundering - those swine-like eyes narrowing, the thin lips pursed.

For all of you who voted in this pound shop Napoleon, what have you done?

TheNuthatch · 27/04/2025 16:09

MyNameIsX · 27/04/2025 15:40

For all his faults, Sunak had the measure of Starmer didn’t he?

Repeatedly, he called out Starmer on fiscal policy, on immigration. The toolmakers son was simply left floundering - those swine-like eyes narrowing, the thin lips pursed.

For all of you who voted in this pound shop Napoleon, what have you done?

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Yep. He also prophesied what Truss would do to the economy in the leadership race. Its a shame the tories were completely ungovernable by the time he became PM.

Pound shop Napoleon, I like that :-)

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