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NautilusLionfish · 02/04/2025 09:11

TENSsion · 02/04/2025 08:31

Do we know it as a fact that he knew she was trafficked there?
I’m not meaning to sound captious, I genuinely haven’t seen that evidence.
I’ll happy accept it as fact if we have the evidence.

You could look up. But in any case principled people would not happily continue to party and Associate with a convicted pédophile. Not saying that is a persecutable offence just saying it speaks to his character. Even after being explicitly adviser against it and after many had cut ties.

"2006 prosecution of paedophile Jeffrey Epstein - a probe that ended with the millionaire financier receiving a legal slap on the wrist.
Epstein cut a deal in 2008 to avoid charges of sex trafficking and rape. He pleaded guilty to a lesser charge and was sentenced to 13 months in prison".
Yet in 2010 he was going to Epstein's house, slept over, took a stroll with him in the park. Hmmmm

AquaPeer · 02/04/2025 09:14

Clearinguptheclutter · 02/04/2025 08:33

Perhaps- You do make a valid point. Some people are just attention seekers though. Obviously we don’t know what category she is in.

This week alone I’ve listened to brilliant podcasts about 2 women catfishing famous men, one about a woman who tricked shoals pretending to be pregnant and the crypto queen

i really struggle to understand why VG hasn’t been exposed if she’s so obviously a liar. She has trolled the world at scale. Yet no one has managed an expose of this vulnerable, powerless woman

Hoppinggreen · 02/04/2025 09:17

Young woman get trafficked and ends up with MH issues - who would have guessed?

TENSsion · 02/04/2025 09:25

NautilusLionfish · 02/04/2025 09:11

You could look up. But in any case principled people would not happily continue to party and Associate with a convicted pédophile. Not saying that is a persecutable offence just saying it speaks to his character. Even after being explicitly adviser against it and after many had cut ties.

"2006 prosecution of paedophile Jeffrey Epstein - a probe that ended with the millionaire financier receiving a legal slap on the wrist.
Epstein cut a deal in 2008 to avoid charges of sex trafficking and rape. He pleaded guilty to a lesser charge and was sentenced to 13 months in prison".
Yet in 2010 he was going to Epstein's house, slept over, took a stroll with him in the park. Hmmmm

Edited

So, we don’t KNOW he knew she was trafficked.

There are many young women who willingly put themselves in a position to sleep with men with power and status. It is possible that PA thought she was willing. We have no evidence to suggest he KNEW she was neither consenting nor there of her own free will.

And I’m confused by your rudeness towards me. I was very polite to you.

Hoppinggreen · 02/04/2025 09:27

TENSsion · 02/04/2025 09:25

So, we don’t KNOW he knew she was trafficked.

There are many young women who willingly put themselves in a position to sleep with men with power and status. It is possible that PA thought she was willing. We have no evidence to suggest he KNEW she was neither consenting nor there of her own free will.

And I’m confused by your rudeness towards me. I was very polite to you.

Edited

What evidence would you like?
A statement from Andrew saying he knew she was being trafficked?
Some people wouldn't even accept that

TENSsion · 02/04/2025 09:28

Hoppinggreen · 02/04/2025 09:27

What evidence would you like?
A statement from Andrew saying he knew she was being trafficked?
Some people wouldn't even accept that

I’d accept it!
Any emails or contact that shows he knew.
A third party witness saying he was aware.

I’d happily accept it.

Lunde · 02/04/2025 09:55

According to the DM - VG is due in court for breaching a family domestic violence restraining order. She was charged for the breach some days before this incident. May articles have reported that she is estranged from her husband and kids.

I may be horribly cynical but I wonder whether the "dying" post that she says she intended to post in her private SM was an attempt to guilt-trip her husband/children into dropping the charges.

Firethehorse · 02/04/2025 10:00

LSTMS30555 · 31/03/2025 23:50

I think she should be took back to the USA and put on trial because there's plenty of girls who said they were recruited by Virginia how come she's never had to face the consequences of her actions for recruiting & trafficking young girls?

This is an interesting one because I remember there being lots of women saying this too. Multiple victims apparently said she was worse than Maxwell at recruiting and forcing them into sordid situations.
I’m actually really shocked at Lady Hervey’s comments. Surely she could be sued if they are not true and saying the FBI are about to arrest her is quite the revelation.
Maybe finally more will come out now. It was always odd Prince Andrew was singled out but not lots of high profile American businessmen allegedly in the Epstein party set.

NautilusLionfish · 02/04/2025 10:04

TENSsion · 02/04/2025 09:25

So, we don’t KNOW he knew she was trafficked.

There are many young women who willingly put themselves in a position to sleep with men with power and status. It is possible that PA thought she was willing. We have no evidence to suggest he KNEW she was neither consenting nor there of her own free will.

And I’m confused by your rudeness towards me. I was very polite to you.

Edited

I didnt think I was being rude. Am sorry if you feel that way. (Is it the fact that I said you could look it up?)

If you look at all my posts, their gist is that we don't know 100% what Andrew did or didn't do but he certainly has astonishingly bad judgement and his continued association with a convicted paedophile is damning but not a legal offence. And am saying Virginia's life experiences probably scarred her.

kweenkweenie · 02/04/2025 10:11

She should have just said it was meant to be a (bad) April Fool’s joke on her private FB.

TY78910 · 02/04/2025 10:25

PsychoHotSauce · 31/03/2025 15:18

My first thought was she's on some wild pain drugs and she has no idea she's posted crazy shit on SM... 4 days left and you choose to spend part of it on Instagram?

It’s probably because she got Diana’d and needs the world to know

LBFseBrom · 02/04/2025 10:33

kweenkweenie · 02/04/2025 10:11

She should have just said it was meant to be a (bad) April Fool’s joke on her private FB.

I thought April Fool's day was a British thing, shows how much I know. In any case it is usually kids who go in for it.

I looked it up and it is said to have started in mediaeval France.

NautilusLionfish · 02/04/2025 10:39

TY78910 · 02/04/2025 10:25

It’s probably because she got Diana’d and needs the world to know

oh dear

whynotwhatknot · 02/04/2025 10:47

all conspiray theorists looks really stupid now

LBFseBrom · 02/04/2025 11:15

whynotwhatknot · 02/04/2025 10:47

all conspiray theorists looks really stupid now

Theories about what? There was a road accident, no doubt about that, it was a school bus with children on board that collided with her in her car.

kweenkweenie · 02/04/2025 11:22

LBFseBrom · 02/04/2025 10:33

I thought April Fool's day was a British thing, shows how much I know. In any case it is usually kids who go in for it.

I looked it up and it is said to have started in mediaeval France.

Edited

It’s not usually kids nowadays. It’s very much all media including social media. I’m not even in the UK.

whynotwhatknot · 02/04/2025 11:59

LBFseBrom · 02/04/2025 11:15

Theories about what? There was a road accident, no doubt about that, it was a school bus with children on board that collided with her in her car.

ive read all sorts like the Diana crashing and rf hired someone

samarrange · 02/04/2025 12:20

She must have been in a pretty special hospital if they let her wear her jewellery and a strappy top while in ICU for renal failure.

AquaPeer · 02/04/2025 12:25

whynotwhatknot · 02/04/2025 11:59

ive read all sorts like the Diana crashing and rf hired someone

Think the people in that corner of the internet pretty much always look stupid

Bingbopboomboomboombopbam · 02/04/2025 12:41

TENSsion · 02/04/2025 09:28

I’d accept it!
Any emails or contact that shows he knew.
A third party witness saying he was aware.

I’d happily accept it.

He was still associating with Epstein post conviction - how is that not enough for you?

Bingbopboomboomboombopbam · 02/04/2025 12:51

AquaPeer · 02/04/2025 09:14

This week alone I’ve listened to brilliant podcasts about 2 women catfishing famous men, one about a woman who tricked shoals pretending to be pregnant and the crypto queen

i really struggle to understand why VG hasn’t been exposed if she’s so obviously a liar. She has trolled the world at scale. Yet no one has managed an expose of this vulnerable, powerless woman

So because you listened to podcasts about two women, that now invalidates all women? Jesus wept.

However if you like podcasts I would highly suggest The Mysterious Mr Epstein by Wondery. It’s long but very good.

Gymnopedie · 02/04/2025 12:52

I've been uncomfortable with the photo from the outset. Despite the bruising and the fact that the head is turned to one side, she looks younger and less round faced than she does in more recent photos.

TENSsion · 02/04/2025 12:52

Bingbopboomboomboombopbam · 02/04/2025 12:41

He was still associating with Epstein post conviction - how is that not enough for you?

“Epstein pleads guilty to state charges: one count of soliciting prostitution and one count of soliciting prostitution from someone under the age of 18. He is sentenced to 18 months in jail.”

While I wouldn’t be friends with someone like this, men (and women) who see no issue with using prostitutes might not see this as a reason to stop being friends.

It’s very likely that PA knew she was a prostitute.

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