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What is Reform’s solutions?

I'm not a Reform voter but from what I remember from reading their manifesto last year, I think they were going to close our borders temporarily whilst sorting out the backlog of asylum applications and then introduce a points system like Australia.

Thanks, I thought you were referring to the Channel.

What’s their solution for people crossing the channel in small boats?

These asylum seekers won’t be affected by closed boarders.

They are just seeking asylum.

Net migration is

It is going to take more than 10 months to change things.
I'm sure people do accept this deep down.
I am thankful every day that the last crock of Tories went out before Trump unleashed this mess on us.

But it won’t. Remember the old saying about when the US sneezes the world catches a cold?

I think they said they would return them to France. Whether they could do that I have no idea, but if they put that in any future manifesto then many people will believe that.

Damn. If only Brexit had not made that so much more difficult. What pillock pushed for that to happen, eh?

Don’t confuse asylum seekers with general migration. They are a tiny proportion but have been blown up to be the whole issue.

I think you’re totally right here. However we need better public services whatever the community.

Indeed we do @derxa

Of course we could do that when we were still in the EU.

Now, however...

Before Brexit nobody mentioned small boat crossings, funny that

Farage's brexit

(stats start in 2018)

I looked it up. Reform said they’d return asylum seekers to France. Using the marines if necessary.
To do that legally they’d need explicit permission from France to cross their territorial waters and from the individual (because states arent supposed to transport & dump people wherever they fancy)
Woke maritime laws. 🙄

100%

Would create an incident with UK on one side and France/EU on the other... who would win that spat?

Pie in the Sky thinking.. as much as i my have some issues with Labour, the only why forward is international co-operation, unless we are willing to send asylum seekers to the Falklands or similar?

Reform have similar ideas on taxation, with their £20k tax threshold plan...

Something Labour should be crowing about rather than silly pictures, is that their changes to funding have led to an additional 1500 GPs, recruited since October last year.

Chapeau!

Something Labour should be crowing about rather than silly pictures, is that their changes to funding have led to an additional 1500 GPs, recruited since October last year

Yep. This is a good example of their atrocious comms. (I didn't know about the GPs tbh).

Not all of them are genuine asylum seekers, some are economic migrants, some have been refused asylum in EU countries.

The figures may not be large in comparison to the size of the UK population as a whole, but if you've got over 770 people arriving by small boats as happened a couple of weeks ago, those people have got to be housed somewhere at a cost to the taxpayer, whilst waiting for their claims to be processed. That's a lot of people to find accommodation for.

They were rare before Brexit. The traffickers were using lorries to bring people in illegally. Then after that tragic incident where I think 54 people suffocated to death and everyone was rightly outraged, security was tightened making it more difficult for the traffickers, so they switched to using small boats instead.

Wes Streeting only announed it this morning

The majority of refugees are granted asylum

Oh, I haven't looked at the news yet, that will be why! Maybe comms not so bad 😁

People of all political persuasions are aware of this. It's the workable and effective solutions that are in short supply, though.

The people coming across in boats are already not deterred by the fact that they have to hand over probably everything they own (and, for all we know, some of their children) to the gangs organising the trips in return for dicing with death on a distinctly economy class boat. People are getting rich out of this but it's not the asylum seekers.

I got the radio come on as my alarm, that's where I get my first news snippets from

It's not making headlines yet