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Thread 20 Starmer - Spring Statement

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DuncinToffee · 20/03/2025 14:03

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BIWI · 21/03/2025 12:24

cardibach · 21/03/2025 10:45

Yes, the press aren’t reporting on the good stuff. Not a surprise.

At least it’s on the BBC site though.

placemats · 21/03/2025 13:28

Picture for context.

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ThatbloodyRoblox · 21/03/2025 13:35

My new MP has been reported to police for overspending in election campaign! Tbh the amount of flipping leaflets we got from him it wouldn’t be a surprise

placemats · 21/03/2025 13:41

For those feeling alone there's support on this thread x. More cheery picture.

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BestIsWest · 21/03/2025 15:06

Tax. First tulip in the garden.

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SerendipityJane · 22/03/2025 09:35

I read Germany has suggested the UK (re)join the customs union to aid the defence rebuilding of Europe. Would immediately bring in billions a year extra and not require signing up to free movement. What's not to like ?

There will be untold billions washing around in the next few years. It would be criminal if the UK were to miss out because of some badly aged "promises" given in a different age.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-urges-britain-to-strike-eu-customs-union-deal/

It would be beyond criminal if the disabled were being made to pay for a refusal to sign up to free money.

Germany urges Britain to rejoin EU customs union

Call is at odds with UK Labour’s own post-Brexit red lines.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-urges-britain-to-strike-eu-customs-union-deal/

LlynTegid · 22/03/2025 09:45

SerendipityJane · 22/03/2025 09:35

I read Germany has suggested the UK (re)join the customs union to aid the defence rebuilding of Europe. Would immediately bring in billions a year extra and not require signing up to free movement. What's not to like ?

There will be untold billions washing around in the next few years. It would be criminal if the UK were to miss out because of some badly aged "promises" given in a different age.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-urges-britain-to-strike-eu-customs-union-deal/

It would be beyond criminal if the disabled were being made to pay for a refusal to sign up to free money.

I think most of the 52% who voted Leave did so because of wanting to end free movement of people to/from other EU countries. I think most would support a customs union, indeed some of the Leave campaign said that the EEC as was they liked, it was when it became more of a political union that they objected to it.

I expect a customs union would have a lot of support.

SerendipityJane · 22/03/2025 10:06

LlynTegid · 22/03/2025 09:45

I think most of the 52% who voted Leave did so because of wanting to end free movement of people to/from other EU countries. I think most would support a customs union, indeed some of the Leave campaign said that the EEC as was they liked, it was when it became more of a political union that they objected to it.

I expect a customs union would have a lot of support.

The facts have changed. It is so fucking simple that if you don't get it, your influence in decision making should be severely curtailed.

Everything that was planned or promised in 2024 needs to be reevaluated in the light of 2025.

If the UK were a person, then the current "strategy" seems akin to self dosing with arsenic out of fear of being poisoned.

When I first went to Kenya, I was a little bit too late for the yellow fever jab. My Dr. suggested that it was better I went without it, fit and healthy, than go suffering the potentially debilitating effects of the vaccine that would render me more vulnerable to (in their words) "Goodness knows what !".

If the UK wishes to survive and be able to fight the oncoming conflict (which may be repeated infrastructure attacks) then maybe it shouldn't be weakening itself on the altar of the busted idol of "austerity". Which is exactly we are getting even if the word isn't in the air.

Remember that in 1940, Churchill seriously suggested uniting Britain and France - becoming a single country. That is what real leaders do when faced with extraordinary circumstances. They think extraordinary things.

Where the fuck are the brave Brexiteers now ? You know - those arseholes who were selling themselves as visionaries and heralds of the future ? Or has the sunlight of the past 6 months failed to penetrate the backsides they were clearly living in ?

Incidentally, without saying "I told you so", one of the key planks of the Remain campaign was "What if the facts change ?". The fact that a lot of Leavers failed to grasp the possibility they could doesn't reflect well on their imagination, and by extension their intelligence. Because as we all know, the two are inseparable.

Well that's Saturdays opinion piece. Hard not to feel bitter that I put 10 minutes into that and get fuck all, and Boris Johnson puts in fuck all and gets 10 grand. But thems the breaks.

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2025 11:20

Todays report from the Nuffield Trust states that whilst medicine shortages are occurring everywhere, the UK's are worsened because of the effects of Brexit.

Come on Labour, address the elephant in the room

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TessoftheDobermans · 22/03/2025 11:32

SerendipityJane · 22/03/2025 10:06

The facts have changed. It is so fucking simple that if you don't get it, your influence in decision making should be severely curtailed.

Everything that was planned or promised in 2024 needs to be reevaluated in the light of 2025.

If the UK were a person, then the current "strategy" seems akin to self dosing with arsenic out of fear of being poisoned.

When I first went to Kenya, I was a little bit too late for the yellow fever jab. My Dr. suggested that it was better I went without it, fit and healthy, than go suffering the potentially debilitating effects of the vaccine that would render me more vulnerable to (in their words) "Goodness knows what !".

If the UK wishes to survive and be able to fight the oncoming conflict (which may be repeated infrastructure attacks) then maybe it shouldn't be weakening itself on the altar of the busted idol of "austerity". Which is exactly we are getting even if the word isn't in the air.

Remember that in 1940, Churchill seriously suggested uniting Britain and France - becoming a single country. That is what real leaders do when faced with extraordinary circumstances. They think extraordinary things.

Where the fuck are the brave Brexiteers now ? You know - those arseholes who were selling themselves as visionaries and heralds of the future ? Or has the sunlight of the past 6 months failed to penetrate the backsides they were clearly living in ?

Incidentally, without saying "I told you so", one of the key planks of the Remain campaign was "What if the facts change ?". The fact that a lot of Leavers failed to grasp the possibility they could doesn't reflect well on their imagination, and by extension their intelligence. Because as we all know, the two are inseparable.

Well that's Saturdays opinion piece. Hard not to feel bitter that I put 10 minutes into that and get fuck all, and Boris Johnson puts in fuck all and gets 10 grand. But thems the breaks.

You get the grateful thanks of this long-time lurker, for one, who relies on you and all the regular posters to make sense of this world, both with your intelligent comment and your reliable links to the media 😉 Genuinely hugely appreciated.

BestIsWest · 22/03/2025 11:45

Absolute 100% agree we need to be in the customs union.

Llttledrummergirl · 22/03/2025 13:27

I read Germany has suggested the UK (re)join the customs union to aid the defence rebuilding of Europe. Would immediately bring in billions a year extra and not require signing up to free movement. What's not to like ?

I think the key here is "not require signing up to free movement'". I think this is what a lot of those tho voted leave were hoping for. This was hijacked by the likes of Farage and butchered by the tories. A grown up, mutually productive, respectful relationship is a good thing.

Alexandra2001 · 22/03/2025 14:17

Llttledrummergirl · 22/03/2025 13:27

I read Germany has suggested the UK (re)join the customs union to aid the defence rebuilding of Europe. Would immediately bring in billions a year extra and not require signing up to free movement. What's not to like ?

I think the key here is "not require signing up to free movement'". I think this is what a lot of those tho voted leave were hoping for. This was hijacked by the likes of Farage and butchered by the tories. A grown up, mutually productive, respectful relationship is a good thing.

TBH Brexitiers didn't vote for more and more Africans and Asians to live in the UK, they'd probably welcome more Europeans, if it meant less non European migrants!!

Never yet met a Brexitier who doesn't say "I'm not a racist but...."

Can't really see Starmer agreeing to a CU, he seems to more 'brexity than ever before.

MaybeNotBob · 22/03/2025 14:19

I think most of the 52% who voted Leave did so because of wanting to end free movement of people to/from other EU countries. I think most would support a customs union, indeed some of the Leave campaign said that the EEC as was they liked, it was when it became more of a political union that they objected to it.

I think that's what many claimed. However, what they really wanted was fewer Brown people, they just couldn't articulate it. And they were far too thick to realise that we were going to have to replace the nice white Christian Europeans with people from Africa and the Indian subcontinent...

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2025 14:21

A few brexiteers claimed the rules on immigration were not fair by favouring EU nationals, strangely none of them are celebrating the increase in non EU immigrants.

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Llttledrummergirl · 22/03/2025 14:42

Never yet met a Brexitier who doesn't say "I'm not a racist but...."

Thanks.

I felt that free movement was contributing towards keeping wages artificially low, meaning our young people were being devalued. I wanted controls so that we were able to have more strategic immigration, I really don't care where they come from.
Tax credits have bridged the gap between artificially low wages and a genuine living wage, with abundant labour supporting this model.

I do object to being called a racist.

SerendipityJane · 22/03/2025 14:48

TBH Brexitiers didn't vote for more and more Africans and Asians to live in the UK

Actually they did. They were told what it would lead to. It lead to it. And they aren't campaigning to reverse Brexit. QED they are happy with what they got, which is what they were told they were getting. Shrugging your shoulders doesn't count, it just shows you are a cunt.

Bagpussnotbothered · 22/03/2025 15:07

Tax credits have bridged the gap between artificially low wages and a genuine living wage, with abundant labour supporting this model.

Working tax credits were a flawed idea. I get it—they helped with family poverty at the time—but they were a sticking plaster on the real problems of low productivity and companies not paying a living wage to people in full-time work. It also ignored the structural problems of childcare clashing with work obligations, and we make it too fucking easy for one parent to walk away after a divorce, contributing nothing to their kid's welfare.

Anyway, this is a derail. I would love to see a European Customs Union as it would boost the economy and give the finger to Trump.

Alexandra2001 · 22/03/2025 16:38

Llttledrummergirl · 22/03/2025 14:42

Never yet met a Brexitier who doesn't say "I'm not a racist but...."

Thanks.

I felt that free movement was contributing towards keeping wages artificially low, meaning our young people were being devalued. I wanted controls so that we were able to have more strategic immigration, I really don't care where they come from.
Tax credits have bridged the gap between artificially low wages and a genuine living wage, with abundant labour supporting this model.

I do object to being called a racist.

Well, i' ve never met you and in the interests of thread harmony, i wont reply to your comments.

BIossomtoes · 22/03/2025 16:50

Here you all are. It looks as if I chose a very good time to get off the internet for a few days. My tax payment is where I’ve been, celebrating my son’s 50th (😱) birthday.

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DuncinToffee · 22/03/2025 16:56

Congratulations with DS Blossom 🎉

Is that Rome?

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BIossomtoes · 22/03/2025 17:01

It’s Florence Duncin, it was wonderful apart from the crowds, it was insanely busy.

PandoraSox · 22/03/2025 17:10

How lovely @BIossomtoes .

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