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Thread 20 Starmer - Spring Statement

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DuncinToffee · 20/03/2025 14:03

Previous thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5286167-thread-19-starmer-a-coalition-of-the-willing?page=40&reply=142981585

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pointythings · 28/03/2025 16:10

Aduvetday · 28/03/2025 16:07

My issue is when these threads are used to coordinate “tag teaming” on other threads linked to politics.

Has it occurred to you that it is because the people on these threads are interested in and engaged with politics that we tend to gravitate to political threads? There's no tag teaming. You can't @ someone who isn't already on the thread. It's hilarious that you are seeing conspiracies here.

cardibach · 28/03/2025 16:10

Me neither @BIWI
It’s not tag teaming. What would be the point? It’s people with an interest in politics commenting on other political threads - and as you’ve already noticed several posters on these threads have similar views (broadly - there’s fair bit of disagreement on particular issues) so quite naturally they’ll comment on/criticise similar points made.

Rummly · 28/03/2025 16:12

cardibach · 28/03/2025 16:03

I have had a reply from my MP to my email based on the one shared here (by @SerendipityJane? Sorry if not). Here it is with identifiers removed. It’s thorough and does a better job with comms than the actual government, though it doesn’t really answer the complaints I raised very well.

Thank you for contacting me about the upcoming reforms to the disability benefits system.

As your local MP, I can assure you that I take the view of constituents sincerely, even when we may not fully agree, and I will of course convey specific concerns and questions to Ministers as your constituency MP.

Throughout my 12 years as MP for xxxx, I have worked with many different groups who support vulnerable constituents. For example, I recently met with local DWP teams to better understand how I can support their work. Likewise, I recently visited a charity dedicated to supporting individuals who have suffered brain injuries - and was able to hear all about and raise awareness of the crucial work that they do.

After 14 years of damaging rhetoric on benefits and cuts from the previous government, people are understandably fearful when they hear about changes to the benefits system. Unfortunately, some of the recent media coverage has also created worries which are not borne out by the details of the changes. I want to be clear up front that the reforms announced by the government will not result in any immediate changes to anyone’s benefits.

I believe that we need a welfare system that is there for all of us when we need it, now and in the future, that protects those most in need, and that delivers equality and dignity for all. There will always be some people who cannot work, and I assure you that we will protect them.

However, the broken welfare system we inherited from the previous government is failing many of the very people it was designed to help, and is holding our country back. Many sick and disabled people want to work with appropriate support and accessibility improvements, and they deserve the same choices and chances as everyone else to do so.

Instead, the last government wrote off hundreds of thousands of people and blamed them for an unsustainable rising benefits bill. Instead of providing people the support they needed to get into work, they prioritised cheap headlines. Where people can work, this government will give them the support to do so, while protecting those who can’t.

I’m proud that the government is already tackling the drivers of people being out of work and supporting people into good jobs. We’re investing an additional £26 billion in the NHS to drive down waiting lists and they have been falling in Wales too, making work pay with our landmark Employment Rights Bill, and introducing the biggest reforms to employment support in a generation, with our £240 million Get Britain Working Plan. Wages are rising and investment in our economy is growing.

The Secretary of State for Work and Pensions has announced that we’re going even further, investing £1 billion into employment support. This is one of the largest ever investments in support to increase opportunities to work for sick and disabled people, guaranteeing high-quality, tailored support to get people on a Pathway to Work. Good work is good for people’s incomes, health and ability to live independently. That’s why we will provide the support people need to find the right jobs.

I’d like to highlight a few of these measures that I believe will make a significant difference to our country and people’s life chances:

First, we are addressing the perverse financial incentives that hold people back from work under the current system by rebalancing the payments in Universal Credit. This means that we are increasing the standard allowance above inflation for the first time ever, with a £775 cash increase per year by 2029/30 for existing and new claimants, while reducing the health top-up for new claims from April 2026, alongside active support to help people back to health and work (also assisted by our investments in the NHS).

Alongside this, we will remove barriers by ensuring that going back to work in and of itself will never lead to a reassessment. This ‘right to try’ will give people the confidence to take on a job knowing that if it doesn’t work out, they won’t have to start from scratch.

In addition, we are consulting on a new unemployment insurance that will help people quickly get back on track if they fall out of work, giving them a higher rate of benefit.

It’s also important to point out the measures we have announced to protect those who are most in need. We will protect existing Universal Credit claimants by holding their health top-up steady in cash terms while they benefit from the higher standard allowance. We are also scrapping the Work Capability Assessment.

We are also looking at ways to ensure that those who will never be able to work are afforded confidence and dignity, by never having to go through reassessments, and proposing an additional Universal Credit premium to offer those people the support they need.

I hope that I have helped to answer your questions and provide some reassurance, but please let my team know if there’s anything we can do to support you in your specific circumstances. My team and I help hundreds of constituents a year, including with disability-related matters such as the Work Capability Assessment (which I should reiterate is going to be scrapped entirely). Rest assured that we will continue to be here to help as we have always been.

And if you would like to share your views on these changes with the government directly, you can access the public consultation here: https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper
With thanks for writing to me on such important matters with candour.

I know MPs have a party allegiance as well as a core job of representation for constituents.

But that letter is so simultaneously self-congratulatory and obfuscating it’s embarrassing. I wouldn’t send out centrally produced, patronising crap like that whichever party I belonged to and whatever the concern was.

Can MPs not write like humans any more?

Efacsen · 28/03/2025 16:12

BIWI · 28/03/2025 16:09

Well I’ve never been invited to tag team, on any thread. Should I be offended?

Me neither - I can make up my own mind how to respond - or not

Perhaps we're not in the 'clique' Sad

Piggywaspushed · 28/03/2025 16:13

I do agree with one thing. With the sincerest of apologies to our esteemed OP,I think our thread title was maybe not the best this time because it does seem to be more specifically linked to a political event

Sorry!

PickAChew · 28/03/2025 16:14

We are also looking at ways to ensure that those who will never be able to work are afforded confidence and dignity, by never having to go through reassessments, and proposing an additional Universal Credit premium to offer those people the support they need.

Why on earth have they not been pushing this point across? It's almost as if they want to make people worry about their loved ones. 😖

cardibach · 28/03/2025 16:15

I actually know this MP reasonably well @Rummly . It doesn’t read as you see it to me. Yes, he’s pushing the good bits of the policy changes as he see them, but that’s to be expected given the roasting I gave him. He’s a good bloke. He works a lot with the disadvantaged. We have had several discussions about things we don’t agree on (he’s very centrist and I’m not) and this reads of a piece with his in person views.

Efacsen · 28/03/2025 16:16

Piggywaspushed · 28/03/2025 16:13

I do agree with one thing. With the sincerest of apologies to our esteemed OP,I think our thread title was maybe not the best this time because it does seem to be more specifically linked to a political event

Sorry!

Except as is often the case it gets to page 39 and @DuncinToffee is asking for a new thread title and there's not much response if any

Rummly · 28/03/2025 16:17

cardibach · 28/03/2025 16:15

I actually know this MP reasonably well @Rummly . It doesn’t read as you see it to me. Yes, he’s pushing the good bits of the policy changes as he see them, but that’s to be expected given the roasting I gave him. He’s a good bloke. He works a lot with the disadvantaged. We have had several discussions about things we don’t agree on (he’s very centrist and I’m not) and this reads of a piece with his in person views.

Fair enough. I wasn’t casting nasturtiums on your MP’s decency.

I just recoil at impersonal PR responses from politicians and public bodies.

DuncinToffee · 28/03/2025 16:20

Piggywaspushed · 28/03/2025 16:13

I do agree with one thing. With the sincerest of apologies to our esteemed OP,I think our thread title was maybe not the best this time because it does seem to be more specifically linked to a political event

Sorry!

I am bigly offended Angry

To be fair, the mood was down and I had to come up with something. I thought this would quite neutral.

I don't think there were any threads about the budget on Wednesday?

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Piggywaspushed · 28/03/2025 16:20

Efacsen · 28/03/2025 16:16

Except as is often the case it gets to page 39 and @DuncinToffee is asking for a new thread title and there's not much response if any

Mea culpa.

PickAChew · 28/03/2025 16:21

Rummly · 28/03/2025 16:12

I know MPs have a party allegiance as well as a core job of representation for constituents.

But that letter is so simultaneously self-congratulatory and obfuscating it’s embarrassing. I wouldn’t send out centrally produced, patronising crap like that whichever party I belonged to and whatever the concern was.

Can MPs not write like humans any more?

I'm agreeing with you there but it's definitely not just a recent thing. It's a young, ambitious MP thing. I expect that, for communications like this, MPs are given lists of policy points to draw from so, if wanting to be seen to engage with constituents, they can throw together bland replies that don't go off script, relatively quickly.

Piggywaspushed · 28/03/2025 16:22

DuncinToffee · 28/03/2025 16:20

I am bigly offended Angry

To be fair, the mood was down and I had to come up with something. I thought this would quite neutral.

I don't think there were any threads about the budget on Wednesday?

No, I looked and there weren't but then perhaps people looked/ found the thread in active and thought this was a thread in unequivocal support of the budget/ spring statement.

Or perhaps not.

cardibach · 28/03/2025 16:22

Rummly · 28/03/2025 16:17

Fair enough. I wasn’t casting nasturtiums on your MP’s decency.

I just recoil at impersonal PR responses from politicians and public bodies.

I say ‘casting nasturtiums’ and people look at me all gone out 🤣
Where did I get it? Is it an age thing?

Piggywaspushed · 28/03/2025 16:24

I think I had my first AId work email this week.

PickAChew · 28/03/2025 16:29

And I cross posted with cardibach, there!

This thread was started last Thursday and I remember that most of us were rather too pissed off to come up with anything witty or positive.

Ironically we didn't even say much about the budget on this thread on Wednesday. Reeves didn't really announce anything new.

dontcallmelen · 28/03/2025 16:29

cardibach · 28/03/2025 16:22

I say ‘casting nasturtiums’ and people look at me all gone out 🤣
Where did I get it? Is it an age thing?

Glad it not just me I do it as well😂
seem to remember most of us were very fed up at the end of the last thread & was maybe only one other title suggested, we are usually a bit wittier we had some cracking titles during the Johnson/Sunak period.

cardibach · 28/03/2025 16:33

Piggywaspushed · 28/03/2025 16:27

Meanwhile, this is what Farage is up to...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gpnl0x3w3o

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - what a fucking twat that man is. And I don’t often swear on these threads, so apologies for any offence.
Not allowing boys to be blokes? Presumably he thinks it’s biologically imperative they are sexually aggressive and violent?

ilovesooty · 28/03/2025 16:35

Piggywaspushed · 28/03/2025 16:27

Meanwhile, this is what Farage is up to...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gpnl0x3w3o

He really is disgusting.

pointythings · 28/03/2025 16:35

Rummly · 28/03/2025 16:17

Fair enough. I wasn’t casting nasturtiums on your MP’s decency.

I just recoil at impersonal PR responses from politicians and public bodies.

Me too and I am beyond delighted to find someone else who uses 'casting nasturtiums '. I have also been know to use 'casting asparagus'.

pointythings · 28/03/2025 16:38

And I think our next title should be Starmer: Not at all a political thread.

dontcallmelen · 28/03/2025 16:38

Totally agree Cardibach really wish he would just fuck off.

DuncinToffee · 28/03/2025 16:41

pointythings · 28/03/2025 16:38

And I think our next title should be Starmer: Not at all a political thread.

I was thinking Cats and Haberdashery

(as suggested by x)

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Notonthestairs · 28/03/2025 16:42

James Lyons will replace Doyle as Director of Communications.
Driver will run day-to-day ops.

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