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Thread 20 Starmer - Spring Statement

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DuncinToffee · 20/03/2025 14:03

Previous thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5286167-thread-19-starmer-a-coalition-of-the-willing?page=40&reply=142981585

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marshmallowmix · 28/03/2025 13:57

MyNameIsX · 28/03/2025 13:27

I concur fully, with this.

When one of the ‘regular’ posters feels like they are losing an argument, or their position becomes indefensible, there is a temptation amongst the other ‘regulars’ to form a tag team and/or resort to posting about felines or haberdashery.

Let’s be honest.

Agree 100% this!

They start a group effort to gang up on any new poster who doesn’t agree with their views or start with the random cat pics ! It’s so obvious their tactics…basically a pile on and/or distraction.

Good old distraction techniques at their finest…gotta laugh….I needed a laugh today and this thread has given me one…

The only ones on here that are aggressive and nasty are the ones who think they own they own the thread…jokers!

They are the ones being confrontational, am glad to see the bullying being called out…it’s blatant!!

SerendipityJane · 28/03/2025 13:57

Efacsen · 28/03/2025 13:13

Just a small de-rail to say how awful the earthquake is in Myanmar and Thailand Sad

There are 2ish events to watch out for in the next 10 years.

The first is a serious pandemic (not the sniffles COVID was). This is going to happen.

The next will be some sort of geological event. Most likely a big volcano (probably one of the ones we know about) blowing it's top. A couple of years of darkness will certainly weed out the unfortunate. Alternatively a really big earthquake and the tsunami it triggers. Like the ones that filled the channel or the Mediterranean This too is going to happen.

I can remember James Burke calling it for a pandemic in the early noughties. (and people with a memory like mine will recall the opening to "What The Doctor Ordered" in the series "The Day the Universe Changed" in 1985).

SerendipityJane · 28/03/2025 14:01

Whatever he wore, it simply wasn't cricket.

The theory is the ribbing he endured on board (it was a holiday with his cousin George Saxe-Coburg V) really upset him and meant he was quite antipathetic to the British attempts to prevent a war.

Here you go.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRestIsHistory/comments/1enjyy2/theoriginoftheboatshoes/

See you next year ....

E2A: Silliness aside, really trying to pick apart the causes of WW1 will scare anyone today who can find 3 brain cells to work together. As history rhymes, the chorus gets louder.

PickAChew · 28/03/2025 14:10

In my very brief stint as a med student in the late 80s (turns out I preferred physical science, had a memory like a sieve and didn't like talking to patients) I remember a lecturer telling us they were expecting a major pandemic in the next 30 years. They were expecting it to be 'flu, though and I think that's why such a big deal was made about the swine flu epidemic.

pointythings · 28/03/2025 14:10

SerendipityJane · 28/03/2025 14:01

Whatever he wore, it simply wasn't cricket.

The theory is the ribbing he endured on board (it was a holiday with his cousin George Saxe-Coburg V) really upset him and meant he was quite antipathetic to the British attempts to prevent a war.

Here you go.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRestIsHistory/comments/1enjyy2/theoriginoftheboatshoes/

See you next year ....

E2A: Silliness aside, really trying to pick apart the causes of WW1 will scare anyone today who can find 3 brain cells to work together. As history rhymes, the chorus gets louder.

Edited

I agree. In 2015 I visited Belgium with the family with the specific intent of doing the WW1 sites. The museum in Zonnebeke (dedicated to Passchendaele) had a special exhibit on propaganda leading up to the war. The parallels were chilling even then.

SerendipityJane · 28/03/2025 14:15

pointythings · 28/03/2025 14:10

I agree. In 2015 I visited Belgium with the family with the specific intent of doing the WW1 sites. The museum in Zonnebeke (dedicated to Passchendaele) had a special exhibit on propaganda leading up to the war. The parallels were chilling even then.

Tonnes of armaments from WW1 are dug up in Belgium every year. Sometimes they still kill people.

Imagine if your great-grandchild was killed by a shell fired before you were born ?

Cheguevarahamster · 28/03/2025 14:59

Re. The posters who are complaining of bullying, I think @cardibach summed it up well enough. Read the room before you join in a long running thread. People disagreeing with you is not bullying. This is not a toxic thread.

In other news from the new york times.

"One of the biggest corporate donors to the populist Reform U.K. party has sold almost $2 million worth of transmitters, cockpit equipment, antennas and other sensitive technology to a major supplier of Moscow’s blacklisted state weapons agency, documents show."
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/28/world/europe/reform-uk-donor-farage-technology-russia-sanctions-india.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

Follow the Russian money.. Farage is indeed Putin’s puppet.

Labraradabrador · 28/03/2025 15:17

‘Read the room’ is just another way of invalidating someone’s experience. I also find the attempts to push people out of a discussion because they don’t strike quite the right tone to be very much against the sprit of the site. And yes, at times it has felt like bullying on this thread.

SerendipityJane · 28/03/2025 15:23

So if we ignore posters - it's bullying.
If we engage with posters - it's bullying.

It's hard not to draw the conclusion that the only way to avoid the attempt-to-be-inflammatory charge of "bullying" is to do exactly what the invading posters demand.

It's the MN version of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Notonthestairs · 28/03/2025 15:26

'In other news from the new york times.
"One of the biggest corporate donors to the populist Reform U.K. party has sold almost $2 million worth of transmitters, cockpit equipment, antennas and other sensitive technology to a major supplier of Moscow’s blacklisted state weapons agency, documents show."
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/28/world/europe/reform-uk-donor-farage-technology-russia-sanctions-india.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
Follow the Russian money.. Farage is indeed Putin’s puppet."

Aren't sanctions in place?

ThatbloodyRoblox · 28/03/2025 15:32

Re the comms from the government comments. I agree that they have been dire and very unfocused. I think because they have tried to get moving on many things no message is getting through and it feels very chaotic communication.
The waiting lists being down for the last 5 months, it’s been mentioned but it needed pushing more for a few extra brownie points. ( God knows they need them)
In other news I see our PM has cancelled a meeting with the Hillsborough families tonight.

Efacsen · 28/03/2025 15:33

SerendipityJane · 28/03/2025 15:23

So if we ignore posters - it's bullying.
If we engage with posters - it's bullying.

It's hard not to draw the conclusion that the only way to avoid the attempt-to-be-inflammatory charge of "bullying" is to do exactly what the invading posters demand.

It's the MN version of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Ignoring definitely isn't bullying - MNHQ are actually OK with it - checked with them on a different thread = scroll on by!

Cheguevarahamster · 28/03/2025 15:35

Scrolling on by....

Posting this as it made me laugh.

Thread 20 Starmer - Spring Statement
DuncinToffee · 28/03/2025 15:37

On Hillsborough

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74k4z4m0z9o

A proposed Hillsborough Law should be changed by the government to make sure it is "right" rather than rush to meet a political deadline, campaigners have said.

Jenni Hicks, with blonde hair, red lipstick and wearing a blue coat, stands before the Hillsborough memorial which has the names of the 97 engraved in golden lettering, holding a bunch of tulips.

Hillsborough Law 'must be right not rushed' - families

Speculation over the proposed law increased after Sir Keir Starmer reportedly cancelled a meeting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74k4z4m0z9o

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MyNameIsX · 28/03/2025 15:38

SerendipityJane · 28/03/2025 15:23

So if we ignore posters - it's bullying.
If we engage with posters - it's bullying.

It's hard not to draw the conclusion that the only way to avoid the attempt-to-be-inflammatory charge of "bullying" is to do exactly what the invading posters demand.

It's the MN version of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Absolutely not.

If there is a concerted effort amongst a nucleus of posters to single out and ‘tag team’/or studiously ignore one poster, how can that be right?

Engaging, debating, disagreeing etc., is otherwise perfectly normal - and is merely discourse.

Cheguevarahamster · 28/03/2025 15:42

Notonthestairs · 28/03/2025 15:26

'In other news from the new york times.
"One of the biggest corporate donors to the populist Reform U.K. party has sold almost $2 million worth of transmitters, cockpit equipment, antennas and other sensitive technology to a major supplier of Moscow’s blacklisted state weapons agency, documents show."
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/28/world/europe/reform-uk-donor-farage-technology-russia-sanctions-india.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
Follow the Russian money.. Farage is indeed Putin’s puppet."

Aren't sanctions in place?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/28/world/europe/reform-uk-donor-farage-technology-russia-sanctions-india.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7U4.90P_.xhTgzyqcH-zu&smid=url-share

I've gifted the article. It's a bit murky (quellle surprise) but it may breach sanctions.

DuncinToffee · 28/03/2025 15:43

Cheguevarahamster · 28/03/2025 15:42

The owner of 55 Tufton Street, that explains a lot

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Cheguevarahamster · 28/03/2025 15:43

DuncinToffee · 28/03/2025 15:43

The owner of 55 Tufton Street, that explains a lot

Indeed. What a surprise.

Notonthestairs · 28/03/2025 15:46

"The owner of 55 Tufton Street, that explains a lot"

Yes, it does.
Interesting where its been picked up. I wonder if it will make its way to the UK weekend papers.

Karistyleaftea · 28/03/2025 15:47

These threads are so informative, I have learned so much from them, thank you all.
On QT last night there was another millionaire advising the Govt to tax the rich more.
He can "donate " more tax anytime he wants, likewise the Patriotic millionaires group calling for the same.
Why don't they start the ball rolling now?
I don't think many countries are as good as the UK you know, I love living here.
Could you imagine living in Dubai for example, never having the seasons and seeing the may blossoms and the trees beginning to bud, as they are doing now?

Notonthestairs · 28/03/2025 15:57

Karistyleaftea · 28/03/2025 15:47

These threads are so informative, I have learned so much from them, thank you all.
On QT last night there was another millionaire advising the Govt to tax the rich more.
He can "donate " more tax anytime he wants, likewise the Patriotic millionaires group calling for the same.
Why don't they start the ball rolling now?
I don't think many countries are as good as the UK you know, I love living here.
Could you imagine living in Dubai for example, never having the seasons and seeing the may blossoms and the trees beginning to bud, as they are doing now?

I have friends in Dubai. They didn’t choose it but they’ve carved out a good life that works well for them. It takes all sorts.

Wholeheartedly agree this is a lovely point in the calendar - with so much to look forward to.

Thread 20 Starmer - Spring Statement
Thread 20 Starmer - Spring Statement
pointythings · 28/03/2025 16:01

MyNameIsX · 28/03/2025 15:38

Absolutely not.

If there is a concerted effort amongst a nucleus of posters to single out and ‘tag team’/or studiously ignore one poster, how can that be right?

Engaging, debating, disagreeing etc., is otherwise perfectly normal - and is merely discourse.

If you are unhappy with MNHQ's advice to 'scroll on by', you can always contact them. I have had some helpful convoy with them.

Nobody on MN is obliged to engage with a post they feel isn't worth responding to - that too is how forums work.

cardibach · 28/03/2025 16:03

I have had a reply from my MP to my email based on the one shared here (by @SerendipityJane? Sorry if not). Here it is with identifiers removed. It’s thorough and does a better job with comms than the actual government, though it doesn’t really answer the complaints I raised very well.

Thank you for contacting me about the upcoming reforms to the disability benefits system.

As your local MP, I can assure you that I take the view of constituents sincerely, even when we may not fully agree, and I will of course convey specific concerns and questions to Ministers as your constituency MP.

Throughout my 12 years as MP for xxxx, I have worked with many different groups who support vulnerable constituents. For example, I recently met with local DWP teams to better understand how I can support their work. Likewise, I recently visited a charity dedicated to supporting individuals who have suffered brain injuries - and was able to hear all about and raise awareness of the crucial work that they do.

After 14 years of damaging rhetoric on benefits and cuts from the previous government, people are understandably fearful when they hear about changes to the benefits system. Unfortunately, some of the recent media coverage has also created worries which are not borne out by the details of the changes. I want to be clear up front that the reforms announced by the government will not result in any immediate changes to anyone’s benefits.

I believe that we need a welfare system that is there for all of us when we need it, now and in the future, that protects those most in need, and that delivers equality and dignity for all. There will always be some people who cannot work, and I assure you that we will protect them.

However, the broken welfare system we inherited from the previous government is failing many of the very people it was designed to help, and is holding our country back. Many sick and disabled people want to work with appropriate support and accessibility improvements, and they deserve the same choices and chances as everyone else to do so.

Instead, the last government wrote off hundreds of thousands of people and blamed them for an unsustainable rising benefits bill. Instead of providing people the support they needed to get into work, they prioritised cheap headlines. Where people can work, this government will give them the support to do so, while protecting those who can’t.

I’m proud that the government is already tackling the drivers of people being out of work and supporting people into good jobs. We’re investing an additional £26 billion in the NHS to drive down waiting lists and they have been falling in Wales too, making work pay with our landmark Employment Rights Bill, and introducing the biggest reforms to employment support in a generation, with our £240 million Get Britain Working Plan. Wages are rising and investment in our economy is growing.

The Secretary of State for Work and Pensions has announced that we’re going even further, investing £1 billion into employment support. This is one of the largest ever investments in support to increase opportunities to work for sick and disabled people, guaranteeing high-quality, tailored support to get people on a Pathway to Work. Good work is good for people’s incomes, health and ability to live independently. That’s why we will provide the support people need to find the right jobs.

I’d like to highlight a few of these measures that I believe will make a significant difference to our country and people’s life chances:

First, we are addressing the perverse financial incentives that hold people back from work under the current system by rebalancing the payments in Universal Credit. This means that we are increasing the standard allowance above inflation for the first time ever, with a £775 cash increase per year by 2029/30 for existing and new claimants, while reducing the health top-up for new claims from April 2026, alongside active support to help people back to health and work (also assisted by our investments in the NHS).

Alongside this, we will remove barriers by ensuring that going back to work in and of itself will never lead to a reassessment. This ‘right to try’ will give people the confidence to take on a job knowing that if it doesn’t work out, they won’t have to start from scratch.

In addition, we are consulting on a new unemployment insurance that will help people quickly get back on track if they fall out of work, giving them a higher rate of benefit.

It’s also important to point out the measures we have announced to protect those who are most in need. We will protect existing Universal Credit claimants by holding their health top-up steady in cash terms while they benefit from the higher standard allowance. We are also scrapping the Work Capability Assessment.

We are also looking at ways to ensure that those who will never be able to work are afforded confidence and dignity, by never having to go through reassessments, and proposing an additional Universal Credit premium to offer those people the support they need.

I hope that I have helped to answer your questions and provide some reassurance, but please let my team know if there’s anything we can do to support you in your specific circumstances. My team and I help hundreds of constituents a year, including with disability-related matters such as the Work Capability Assessment (which I should reiterate is going to be scrapped entirely). Rest assured that we will continue to be here to help as we have always been.

And if you would like to share your views on these changes with the government directly, you can access the public consultation here: https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper
With thanks for writing to me on such important matters with candour.

Aduvetday · 28/03/2025 16:07

marshmallowmix · 28/03/2025 13:57

Agree 100% this!

They start a group effort to gang up on any new poster who doesn’t agree with their views or start with the random cat pics ! It’s so obvious their tactics…basically a pile on and/or distraction.

Good old distraction techniques at their finest…gotta laugh….I needed a laugh today and this thread has given me one…

The only ones on here that are aggressive and nasty are the ones who think they own they own the thread…jokers!

They are the ones being confrontational, am glad to see the bullying being called out…it’s blatant!!

My issue is when these threads are used to coordinate “tag teaming” on other threads linked to politics.

BIWI · 28/03/2025 16:09

Well I’ve never been invited to tag team, on any thread. Should I be offended?

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