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EBSA support thread 2

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Luddite26 · 20/03/2025 06:28

Hopefully this links to Brambley Hedges EBSA support thread.
A community to discuss the processes and support each other when children are experiencing Emotionally Based School Avoidance.

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Luddite26 · 03/07/2026 11:39

Is it last day of term for DD @ISaySteadyOn ? She isn't leaving is she?
It sounds like a positive finish. I'm glad she made a friend, hope that can carry on in the summer.
Girls and friends can be another nightmare all together! Although so can boys too now!
Long holidays now! Hope you can enjoy some time together without the pressure.💐

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ISaySteadyOn · 03/07/2026 14:36

Last day of term. She came home on her own and thinks she can do it again in September. She went for ice cream with a group of girls and had a great time. Yes!

Leafywool · 03/07/2026 14:48

ISaySteadyOn · 03/07/2026 14:36

Last day of term. She came home on her own and thinks she can do it again in September. She went for ice cream with a group of girls and had a great time. Yes!

This is fantastic! It must feel good to be ending the school year on such a positive note 🤗

ISaySteadyOn · 07/07/2026 08:50

FFS, DS is refusing because his sisters are off. He says it's a headache but I know that's part of it. They all confuse fairness with exact sameness. I am so utterly sick of it. I am sick of having to have endless patience, waking up every morning with dread, never able to relax, being in a constant state of limbo, feeling shame every time I ring school, feeling shame every time I feel angry or irritated, just feeling like I must be a terrible mum for not getting him/them ( when his sisters have school) there. There is no escape. I used to feel guilty that I didn't work, that I was a SAHM but the other day I realised even if I had, I would have had to give it up.

I couldn't write it, but I wish there were a book entitled or subtitled 'Yes, they're autistic, yes, patience is necessary, and yes it's fucking annoying'

Sorry for the rant but there is nowhere else to let it out.

Luddite26 · 07/07/2026 12:10

I'm sorry @ISaySteadyOn. It is a living nightmare. And not great when schools have different holidays either.
If you do write the book I would definitely buy it. Or contribute a chapter. It is hard when you are in the middle. It would be easier if school rang the children and said are you coming in ? Cut the parents out.
I remember when DS who is now nearly 35 was at high school they brought 'learning contracts' in that parents had to sign and the child agreeing to attend and behave bla bla. Just normal expectations but why did they feel the need for them.
When I was at school I spent the last 3 years skiving in the pub many afternoons but that was the 80s ( sound like Blueys dad).
Things have changed seemingly for the better but not if you are the parent. My mum just floated about not having a clue what we were up to and realistically not particularly caring unless it affected her which it didn't. Teachers were mostly on strike so seemed to miss parents evening and we didn't have a home phone so couldn't ring her!
Not that my ramblings are of use. Hold on in there Steady On.💐

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ISaySteadyOn · 07/07/2026 13:11

Well, the good news is I did finally manage to get him in. I used to care so much about punctuality and now I don't care at all. Any DC in at any time is a win.

It's a funny thing though. I suspect DS' attendance would improve if there wasn't so much pressure to improve it. I know he feels my anxiety around it which makes him more anxious and makes it harder.

Thing is overall he's a good lad. He's sweet, loving, bright, funny, can be very helpful, not a fussy eater at all, maybe games a little too much but name me a 21st century 12 yo boy who doesn't? It's just this one thing.

I used to torture myself by going on the AIBU threads about EBSA; heaven knows why but now I just hide them and come here instead.

Thank you all for this thread and for making me feel not alone.

Luddite26 · 07/07/2026 14:49

You definitely are not alone.
I think that was part of the point I was trying to make. More pressure on parents for kids to attend isn't helping the situation. It isn't making children attend and it isn't doing anybody's mental health any good. I'm glad you have been able to let go of beating yourself up over it @ISaySteadyOn as much as you can. One thing is it won't be like this forever. And at least DS is a good kid.

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ISaySteadyOn · 08/07/2026 06:30

They all are good kids. DD1 made chocolate mousse for her siblings yesterday and brought it to them. DD2 always checks if she can bring me anything if I don't feel well and already can cook for herself. I just had a lovely conversation with DS this morning. I love them all to bits.

I wonder how much the excessive pressure (on this thread, I think we can all agree it is excessive) is to make up for all the school missed during lockdowns. Or it's to do with Ofsted maybe? I don't know. Either way it doesn't actually work, does it?

ISaySteadyOn · 09/07/2026 09:22

DS not in today. Something occurred to me though which is probably pretty obvious and you guys have already thought of but it was a new thought to me. Is it possible that my DC also wonder why they find going to school so hard and feel bad when they can't manage it? Maybe they mask it under bravado of some kind; I don't know.

Have any of your DC ever outright asked you 'Mum, why is it so hard for me?' Just curious.

Cornishbelle · 09/07/2026 10:35

Hi everyone first timer here, just reading some posts and it's hard to even read!

Just wondering if anyone in here has a child they believe to be NT but is struggling with ebsa?

Our daughter was fine at school until two years ago last term of year 1 when bullying started. It slowly escalated and we feel terrible for not doing more but this time last year she was slapped at school.

This school year her attendance has gradually dropped. We have complained about the lack of action from school. We had initially reported everything verbally, but since dec 2025 have pushed for email only and in the last few weeks our stage 3 govenor complaint has to all purposes been rejected we are expecting a panel hearing with school in September. The head is trying to avoid us, a subject access request now confirms the slap was not recorded or sanctions given (either that or they have somehow missed this off the sar)

Yesterday we went to view a new school closer to home same trust but much smaller and seemingly supportive head etc

We are so torn. I can't see our daughter returning to the original school l, she told us she doesn't feel safe but is understandably upset about leaving some friends etc.

The last meeting I asked the head off the record does she suspect any ND and she nodded quite pointedly. I don't really have any experience of ND but I'm struggling to see it, rather her ebsa and anxiety etc is driven by the stress of the environment she keeps being put in

ISaySteadyOn · 09/07/2026 11:14

It could be a bit of both. Unfortunately, ND children tend to be targets for bullying (ask how I know) and then that causes anxiety which exacerbates the traits.

Luddite26 · 09/07/2026 13:16

I do think their internalising about it doesn't help them @ISaySteadyOn I think they put undue pressure on themselves. I remember myself in certain employment when I have got to the point I could no longer go and it would often come out if the blue but I just couldn't so didn't. Whereas school isn't as simple as just leaving a job there is the expectation that is beyond your control.

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Luddite26 · 09/07/2026 13:22

Sorry to read your post @Cornishbelle. I think possibly the problem is bullying whether DD is NT or ND.
And school haven't dealt with the bullying satisfactorily.
So has DD not been in at all? Is she finishing year 2 now?
Hopefully the new school will rebuild her trust? It's very sad that bullying can happen at such a young age and that victim blaming is still very much how schools chose to deal with it.💐
You all must feel very isolated.

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Cornishbelle · 09/07/2026 15:55

Thanks all who have replied so far, Dd just finishing year 3. He attendance was great until this year, and as we have complained and requested to get things put into place as she would continue to report bullying behaviour to us and lack of teacher action, her attendance has gradually dropped from a day off every other week to once a week to twice a week until, this week she went in in Monday but the stress meant she was having nausea and stomach ache.

The school have cited "friendship issues" on the record system. We're still waiting for a plan of action on how they can keep her physically safe. When we see they hadn't recorded the physical assault I was sadly not shocked.

Daughter keeps saying she still wants to stay at the old school and I feel so guilty, what if we make things worse?

ISaySteadyOn · 09/07/2026 16:46

I was your daughter in this situation. Best thing my parents did was to get me out. I fought them, I hated the idea of change but then came the first day of my new school.

The relief of stress, of being somewhere where I had a fresh start, where I wasn't bullied, where there were different people. I forgave my parents pretty quickly.

Cornishbelle · 09/07/2026 18:30

Thank you so much this is just what I need to hear. And I'm sorry you had to go through it, wouldn't wish it on anyone

Luddite26 · 09/07/2026 22:39

Can DD move school before the summer break up? If not will she see any friends over the summer? It's an awful place to be in.

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Piony · 10/07/2026 09:33

ISaySteadyOn · 07/07/2026 08:50

FFS, DS is refusing because his sisters are off. He says it's a headache but I know that's part of it. They all confuse fairness with exact sameness. I am so utterly sick of it. I am sick of having to have endless patience, waking up every morning with dread, never able to relax, being in a constant state of limbo, feeling shame every time I ring school, feeling shame every time I feel angry or irritated, just feeling like I must be a terrible mum for not getting him/them ( when his sisters have school) there. There is no escape. I used to feel guilty that I didn't work, that I was a SAHM but the other day I realised even if I had, I would have had to give it up.

I couldn't write it, but I wish there were a book entitled or subtitled 'Yes, they're autistic, yes, patience is necessary, and yes it's fucking annoying'

Sorry for the rant but there is nowhere else to let it out.

Hi all. @ISaySteadyOn things have moved on since you wrote this but I wanted to say "thank you". I felt every single word of it. It is really hard to keep being patient and keep the pressure off, and it's such a thankless task.

@Cornishbelle welcome. Your poor daughter. Bullying is an intransigent problem but they should be able to do a lot more to crack down on it at infant school age, and they could support her more with or social skills/ELSA too. I believe bullying is a situation where just a school move can be transformative. It's basically another roll of the dice friendship-wise, and sometimes that is all they need. Separately, transition to a new school can also bring out/throw light on any autistic traits. I would say that is enormously helpful to do in primary actually, so keep an eye out. It wouldn't change who she is an iota, but it would give you the best chance to get the best set up in place for what she needs in secondary. We had SO many school staff tell us DS couldn't possibly be autistic, usually because he had too many friends. A psychologist going into school saw more in an hour than 6 different teachers saw in 6 years.

By and large I think a school move should be the parents' decision at this age. People vary on this and demand avoidance may change it, but by and large I think it's too much responsibility for a little one. She doesn't have the maturity to assess the big picture, and it would not be fair on her. You decide, you sympathise with her & listen to her but also express full confidence that you are making the right decision for her happiness in the long term. She will pick up on your tone and if you worry about the move, she will too. Alternatively you could discuss the option of a managed move, which is a kind of trial at the new school, but at this age perhaps a clean break would be better.

Different situation, my son is autistic although he was not diagnosed until Y4. I try not to regret much in life as we all make the best decisions we can on the info we have, but I do regret not pulling him out of his academically excellent primary school when it got so incredibly difficult to take him in. There were a couple of smaller village schools nearby which I think he could have managed better. You never really know, but I recently reread my notes from Y6 and think how the hell did we keep forcing him in for another 3 years after that? But you do, because you're told you have to and it's illegal not to, and everyone else is doing it. How much more damage was done in that time, and then he ended up missing all of Y10 anyway.

Lots to be pleased about as DS finishes Y12. He has made a lot of progress and seems much happier, though I don't think he thinks he is any happier. He is of course entitled to these feelings but it is a bit of a slap in the face when all I have done all year is facilitate him going to this fantastic, nurturing college. He's engaged enough with his 2 A levels that he is carrying both into Y13 rather than repeating Y12. Yay! Still no idea of what's next but I think he's found he cares about his studies more than he used to. I'm here to stay on this thread though, I'm afraid. We're still way off a mainstream full time timetable, we're still living a lot of these pressures albeit with him being in class more. Only having to study your choice of subjects at 16+ is such a big help.

Picking up on the attendance pressure point, it's a weird one. We had all the pressure and then when DS got more ill, we dropped out of that universe into a different one with vastly lower expectations. Suddenly everyone cheered if he managed 50%. I think there are kids living in this universe in most schools, certainly in Y10-11 - part time timetables, missing tutor & PE, no homework. It's not a better place to be, these kids are very low and distressed. But I wonder how many of them would not have go to such a severe point of struggle if only these same adjustments that they now have, had been put in place for them a bit earlier.

ISaySteadyOn · 10/07/2026 14:08

@Piony , glad you are here to stay, it's nice to feel in this with other people. As to pressure, I honestly think if they didn't monitor it so much and call me every day he is absent, DS would go in more. I don't advocate for the removal of all pressure because I think dealing with that is a life skill but removing that particular one would really give him a chance to deal with others. The problem is though that his school calls because they genuinely care and want DS to be ok. So I can't even be cross with them. Oh well.

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