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PIP for ADHD

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marshmallowmix · 16/03/2025 10:20

Been in the news this morning as labour looking to slash benefits bills the cost is enormous and growing.

One of the main points discussed was getting PIP for ADHD I did not think this was possible …🤔.

We are taxed more than ever so cuts will abve to be made but surely this is madness giving out PIP for ADHD …there are genuine claims but… they said there are a 1000 new people per day now claiming PIP…so those on the make are going to spoil or for genuine a claims but something is very wrong 😦with the benefits system.

The numbers we are spending on benefits are incredible …let’s see what they slash but cuts are coming under Labour as it’s got out of hand.

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 16/03/2025 15:04

Why should someone with adhd not get PIP if the condition affects them in such a way that they meet the eligibility criteria? What is it about adhd in particular that would make that kind of disability unworthy of support in your opinion? And why would someone with similar abilities/challenges caused by a different condition "deserve" more support?

I have adhd. I don't claim PIP because I don't need it, but I can absolutely see why adhd might be so debilitating for some people that they would need to claim. Are you one of those people who thinks it's a made up thing?

spicemaiden · 16/03/2025 15:05

Whatevershallidowithmylife · 16/03/2025 14:54

I am in receipt of PIP at its highest level. I do think that there will be a considerable percentage of claimants who aren't entitled to PIP but get it because they have lied. The problem with OP's post was that there wasn't an attempt for a rational discussion it was basically why do people who have ADHD get PIP and can get a BMW. OP doesn't know anything about ADHD or the mobility scheme and that's where I think they got most peoples backs up (and then carried on being deliberately obtuse and quite frankly rude).

I'd fully agree that each claimant should have a ftf interview, I'd go so far as a home visit but that would presumably outweight the cost of the PIP paid to the fraudulent claims.

Any way, time for me to bow out of this thread as its really quite nasty.

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One of the problems with that suggestion is the sheer cost of monitoring and completing a fully comprehensive assessment - for many their symptoms and physical manifestations are fluctuating, which is why the advice is to complete a PIP form with your worst day in mind since it is the worst days that have the most impact. So, with fluctuating conditions it will require multiple visits. Costly.

PandoraSox · 16/03/2025 15:08

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spicemaiden · 16/03/2025 15:08

DaffodilsGalore · 16/03/2025 15:02

That’s not quite right. More complicated than that.

There is the Motabilty scheme that is NFP. But the bit that is running Motability, aka buys the cars, lends them etc… is an Ltd. Owned by 4 banks.
Those £7 billions? They’re sitting there in those banks.

And even wo that, if they can make a profit from Motability, then they should lower the starting amount needed to get the car, lower payments, whatever. No need for a £7 billions ‘buffer’. That’s not a buffer. That's greed.

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But it’s not paid out to share holders nor I think to fat cat CEO salaries. It’s just sitting there waiting to be reinvested in the scheme? If that’s the case I’m not sure you could call that ‘greed’.

Miley1967 · 16/03/2025 15:08

spicemaiden · 16/03/2025 15:05

One of the problems with that suggestion is the sheer cost of monitoring and completing a fully comprehensive assessment - for many their symptoms and physical manifestations are fluctuating, which is why the advice is to complete a PIP form with your worst day in mind since it is the worst days that have the most impact. So, with fluctuating conditions it will require multiple visits. Costly.

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You should not complete a PIP form based on a worst day. It's fine to explain a worst day but also need to explain how often a worst day happens. They can only award points for a descriptor if it applies on more than 50% of days. No wonder the claim rate is so high if everyone has been writing their PIP forms just based on a worst day ! A worse day where for example someone can't get out of bed because of depression or pain could happen once a month - if so this needs to be properly explained.

ZigZagJigsaw · 16/03/2025 15:14

DaffodilsGalore · 16/03/2025 15:02

That’s not quite right. More complicated than that.

There is the Motabilty scheme that is NFP. But the bit that is running Motability, aka buys the cars, lends them etc… is an Ltd. Owned by 4 banks.
Those £7 billions? They’re sitting there in those banks.

And even wo that, if they can make a profit from Motability, then they should lower the starting amount needed to get the car, lower payments, whatever. No need for a £7 billions ‘buffer’. That’s not a buffer. That's greed.

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https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/fresh-motability-criticism-after-watchdogs-report/

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Fresh Motability criticism after watchdog’s report

The company that runs the Motability car scheme and the charity that oversees its work are facing fresh criticism from disabled campaigners, following a watchdog’s report that criticises the compan…

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/fresh-motability-criticism-after-watchdogs-report/

spicemaiden · 16/03/2025 15:14

ZigZagJigsaw · 16/03/2025 15:01

Just checking you understand that logical debate and willingness to listen doesn’t mean just shouting others down with incoherent arguments, putting words into other poster’s mouths and claiming they’ve said things they haven’t (and then using that as the base or your argument)?

Because your comments and responses on this thread don’t demonstrate that you do understand this.

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Again, please do show me where I’m incoherent or put words into people’s mouths. If I’ve misunderstood something I’m more than happy to read a clarification.

because you seem to have vastly misunderstood me claiming I’m ‘happy’ for big companies to make profits from benefits….and yet no where did I say that. At all.

I wholly agree with you about politicians using public money to line the pockets of their mates as being wrong.

im not sure why you’re chasing me around this thread trying to tell me ivd disagreed with you.

NoMoreCoffeePlease · 16/03/2025 15:14

PIP for ADHD is definitely a thing, and people exaggerate their symptoms. I know someone who would be able to have a (part-time?) job but doesn't as PIP pays more. They go on all the school walks, trips etc as they have their days off.

spicemaiden · 16/03/2025 15:15

Miley1967 · 16/03/2025 15:08

You should not complete a PIP form based on a worst day. It's fine to explain a worst day but also need to explain how often a worst day happens. They can only award points for a descriptor if it applies on more than 50% of days. No wonder the claim rate is so high if everyone has been writing their PIP forms just based on a worst day ! A worse day where for example someone can't get out of bed because of depression or pain could happen once a month - if so this needs to be properly explained.

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Yes. I’m aware of that.

ZigZagJigsaw · 16/03/2025 15:16

spicemaiden · 16/03/2025 15:08

But it’s not paid out to share holders nor I think to fat cat CEO salaries. It’s just sitting there waiting to be reinvested in the scheme? If that’s the case I’m not sure you could call that ‘greed’.

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Just to clarify, what you refer to as fat cat salaries is what others call executive pay.

pointythings · 16/03/2025 15:16

NoMoreCoffeePlease · 16/03/2025 15:14

PIP for ADHD is definitely a thing, and people exaggerate their symptoms. I know someone who would be able to have a (part-time?) job but doesn't as PIP pays more. They go on all the school walks, trips etc as they have their days off.

How do you know they would be able to have a part time job? BTW, for the thousandth time: PIP is not an out of work benefit. When my DS was working last year on his year out from uni, he still got PIP. When he starts working after completing his degree, he will still get PIP. Because he will still be disabled.

Morph22010 · 16/03/2025 15:17

SalfordQuays · 16/03/2025 14:38

I agree.

It was like Brexit. Many people were worried about immigration, unhappy with the huge numbers of Eastern European people coming to the UK (especially unskilled young men) , but it was a dialogue that wasn’t permitted. Anyone questioning immigration was shut down and labelled a racist. No one dared say anything, so politicians were seemingly unaware of how a lot of the public felt. And then at the first opportunity to have their voices heard, 51% of the population voted for Brexit, which we’re now stuck with, with all the disadvantages that brings.

If you shut people down when they’re trying to have a rational debate, they’ll find other ways to force their opinion through.

The fact is that plenty of benefit claimants are charlatans and scammers. It’s not nice but it’s true. I don’t understand why MN seems to have a blanket defence of all claimants, and a refusal to accept that some a frauds.

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The op of this thread isn’t saying to crack down on charlatans or scammers it is directly attacking people who claim and have adhd

NoMoreCoffeePlease · 16/03/2025 15:18

pointythings · 16/03/2025 15:16

How do you know they would be able to have a part time job? BTW, for the thousandth time: PIP is not an out of work benefit. When my DS was working last year on his year out from uni, he still got PIP. When he starts working after completing his degree, he will still get PIP. Because he will still be disabled.

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I know them well. And I don't begrudge them for using the benefit that exists. But I don't believe the current system encourages people with ADHD to find employment instead.

ZigZagJigsaw · 16/03/2025 15:18

spicemaiden · 16/03/2025 15:14

Again, please do show me where I’m incoherent or put words into people’s mouths. If I’ve misunderstood something I’m more than happy to read a clarification.

because you seem to have vastly misunderstood me claiming I’m ‘happy’ for big companies to make profits from benefits….and yet no where did I say that. At all.

I wholly agree with you about politicians using public money to line the pockets of their mates as being wrong.

im not sure why you’re chasing me around this thread trying to tell me ivd disagreed with you.

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Just checking you are aware that I get a notification when you reply to one of my posts? And that prompts me to reply to your response to my post?

spicemaiden · 16/03/2025 15:19

ZigZagJigsaw · 16/03/2025 15:16

Just to clarify, what you refer to as fat cat salaries is what others call executive pay.

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Are you always so patronising?

Im not sure what I have done to you but you can stop now.

I have agreed with you.

I am perfectly happy using the term I prefer - perhaps it has struck a nerve with you for some reason.

spicemaiden · 16/03/2025 15:21

ZigZagJigsaw · 16/03/2025 15:18

Just checking you are aware that I get a notification when you reply to one of my posts? And that prompts me to reply to your response to my post?

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Feel free to show me where I have shouted people down, been incoherent or put words into people’s mouths.

Or not.

Sunshineandoranges · 16/03/2025 15:22

A brave post. This needs open discussion not aggressive responses.

Livelovebehappy · 16/03/2025 15:23

Yep,I’m watched it too. Bit of an eye opener. MNs are always quick to point out that it’s virtually impossible to get PIP. Yet apparently there are 1000 people accepted daily. 4 million people of working age now claiming disability, compared to 2.8 million 5 years ago. It’s now very clear that this particular gravy train has to be slowed down and ways looked into getting people into work. I can only see huge problems getting claims through for ADHD for PIP. There’s already huge waiting lists, growing daily, for formal diagnosis’s of ADHD and Autism. If there was a possibility of claiming the (apparently difficult to get) PIP, the applications for diagnosis would spiral out of control.

Livelovebehappy · 16/03/2025 15:24

i’ve watched

NoMoreCoffeePlease · 16/03/2025 15:24

I understand how people benefiting from PIP payments can feel attacked and get defensive. I imagine it's unfair to be lumped in with the people who don't need PIP but claim it regardless.

No, the fact that there are people who abuse/mis-use the system does not mean that literally no one deserves extra financial support to better manage their care and lives. Absolutely.

But the truth is, the system, as it is now, is mis-used by some/many (depending on your perspective.) As we are in an economic downturn there is understandably a call for a higher level of scrutiny.

Rather than focus these type of discussions on 'benefits are bad/benefit cheats are bad', it would be interesting to hear new idas on what can be done to make PIP fair (again) and stimulate people to become part of the workforce again, within their means.

Morph22010 · 16/03/2025 15:26

NoMoreCoffeePlease · 16/03/2025 15:18

I know them well. And I don't begrudge them for using the benefit that exists. But I don't believe the current system encourages people with ADHD to find employment instead.

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But if they had a job they would have their earnings and the pip money. Pip isn’t means tested at all, you can receive it if you earn £100,000 a year and meet the criteria. It’s not a disincentive to work it is to cover additional costs that arise from the disability

InWithThePlums · 16/03/2025 15:27

Simplynotsimple · 16/03/2025 10:40

Oh brilliant, the daily benefits bashing thread. You don’t know how motobility works, you don’t know what adhd actually is and you don’t actually seem to understand why PIP is awarded (newsflash, it’s not just writing ‘I can’t sit still’ on a piece of paper and they give you £££ and a flash German car).

Combining benefits bashing with ADHD bashing for the full bingo card.

FluffyDashhound · 16/03/2025 15:28

My recent ex has just been awarded it for adhd conduct disorder and LD. he was diagnosed as a child. But the level of impact it has on him is significant it really is

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 16/03/2025 15:28

InWithThePlums · 16/03/2025 15:27

Combining benefits bashing with ADHD bashing for the full bingo card.

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Indeed.

I have adhd that is absolutely crippling in some areas of my life but I also happen to be a higher rate tax payer. I wonder how that squares with the OP's prejudices.

CareerChange24 · 16/03/2025 15:30

Starlightstarbright4 · 16/03/2025 15:01

Absolutely the opposite for my Ds .. He was put under far too much pressure in year 11 and had a breakdown.

He was in on a safety plan because he was struggling so much . I definitely wouldn’t say that defines as babying . That is severely struggling .

people with ADHD are on average 2.7 years less mature so no they can’t cope in the school which are far more prescriptive then they ever were .

i have no idea why the rise but i wish people would understand this isn’t a child who just bounces around - he can struggle with small tasks , textures , brushing his teeth is repeated torture for him, noise can be overwhelming , trying to concentrate for long periods of time is something he isn’t capable of , remembering information is challenging .

I don’t speak for any one else, he has spent his life failing to achieve the standards others/ society expect from him. He is currently seeing his peers applying for uni.

Litterally buts a case of try walking a mile in our shoes before you can judge .

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And I wouldn’t want to walk that mile, truly! I have a friend who I’ve watched slowly eat away at her from every angle the strain of trying to help her child. How she’s worried about the cuts and she shouldn’t have to. I’m really sorry your son was pushed to that in school. I’d really like to see heavy investment into education. Teachers are probably the most unhappy workforce and it sounds as though the children equally so. I really hope for change.