PIP for ADHD

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Been in the news this morning as labour looking to slash benefits bills the cost is enormous and growing.

One of the main points discussed was getting PIP for ADHD I did not think this was possible …🤔.

We are taxed more than ever so cuts will abve to be made but surely this is madness giving out PIP for ADHD …there are genuine claims but… they said there are a 1000 new people per day now claiming PIP…so those on the make are going to spoil or for genuine a claims but something is very wrong 😦with the benefits system.

The numbers we are spending on benefits are incredible …let’s see what they slash but cuts are coming under Labour as it’s got out of hand.

As an autistic woman with ADHD who works full-time while caring for three people (one with cerebral palsy)…..I was going to write a post explaining the enormous toll ADHD takes on a person. How I’m almost broken trying to manage life while neurodivergent but still don’t claim PIP because it really isn’t given out for people like me, nor should it be. You don’t get it just for a diagnosis and you have to have seriously compromised functioning to qualify. Rightly so.

My two (officially NHS-diagnosed) neurodivergent DC (twins) will never live independently. All this talk of removing disability benefits for autism/ADHD diagnoses makes me worry for their future. DS is still in nappies at age 15 and sits on my lap like a giant toddler.

I fear for the backlash against ND folk, and I fear loss of financial support for people who are genuinely disabled due to autism/ADHD.

So, quite honestly OP, you and other people who believe the bollocks written in the media and judge neurodivergence without knowing a thing can just get fucked. Sick of reading posts like this while we fear for the future.

And there you are. “I’m horrified by this! It’s corruption! It should be NFP”

”it is NFP”

oh!

So you don't believe people should get pip for ADHD, but they've done the assessment and they have got it. How is that detrimental to you. Their loss isn't your gain.

I'm absolutely terrified about what's being said and to be honest I might question whether staying alive was worth it.

Trying to put the most vulnerable in society into abject poverty will not make people lucky enough not to suffer ill health any better off.

Can you link to the source of the 50k car please?

I really didn’t mean anything malicious by it but as someone in her mid 30’s I’m genuinely worried if people believe a vaccine or something causes these disabilities as I never knew visibly any kids that were struggling growing up. Also, I really believe benefits of course are needed. But other support needs to be in place as I’m seeing where whole families are affected with the needs of the children. And I really never saw that not that long ago.

I actually think it's the opposite. It used to be the case that young people could leave school at 16, get a job and be trained up and upskilled by employers so they could work their way up through the ranks. That's all gone now - employers want people ready made and don't invest in them. It's all about the bottom line and the shareholders; young employees don't get the opportunity to grow into their role, and there is no flexibility or support for someone who, with some minor accommodations, could be a high quality employee.

Much of the rise in autism and ADHD diagnosis is down to the fact that we are better able to identify it in girls. It used to be the case that both autism and ADHD were thought of as things that predominantly occurred in boys. Now we know different and we know that they present differently in girls. How we deal with that is another matter, but it should be clear to anyone with half a brain that cutting benefits isn't going to work. It's achieved nothing over the past 14 years. The solutions are much more complex and sadly less palatable to the benefits bashers because they involve investing in people through the education system and the health system, and through giving companies incentives to employ people with disabilities. It will take a whole system approach. Scapegoating is so much easier.

1- The Motability scheme that they would have used to get said car has £7 billions in the bank from money made on the back of either disabled people and the lax payers. Start by having a go at them

2- the person would have a big down payment first and then have all theur mobility PIP going into it. Which makes sense if you’re also working, PUP is NOT a out of work benefit!!

OP, what about the bill to keep Britain’s most scummiest people in prison? The likes of the murdering fuckers, that were poor little Sara Sharifs ( parents!) Plus many others.

That bill must be “ staggering” too!

I agree.

It was like Brexit. Many people were worried about immigration, unhappy with the huge numbers of Eastern European people coming to the UK (especially unskilled young men) , but it was a dialogue that wasn’t permitted. Anyone questioning immigration was shut down and labelled a racist. No one dared say anything, so politicians were seemingly unaware of how a lot of the public felt. And then at the first opportunity to have their voices heard, 51% of the population voted for Brexit, which we’re now stuck with, with all the disadvantages that brings.

If you shut people down when they’re trying to have a rational debate, they’ll find other ways to force their opinion through.

The fact is that plenty of benefit claimants are charlatans and scammers. It’s not nice but it’s true. I don’t understand why MN seems to have a blanket defence of all claimants, and a refusal to accept that some a frauds.

A great response to my first part. I sadly think you’ve articulated perfectly why we are setting young people up to struggle and then blaming them for not coping.

I was not benefit bashing and I really apologise if it seemed that way. But I did mean what more could be implemented to help alongside benefits. As no one wants to read/hear that children are becoming adults and are struggling to leave the house. And the strain that is putting onto their families. I genuinely feel for those in this position

So let’s play this game.
You want to ensure that no one is playing the system. How can we do that?
examples below but please add more if you have other ideas

1- ask for proof the person struggles. A diagnosis isn’t what theyre looking at. So you want an OT assessment, physio, various clinic the person can have access too etc…
As an example: PIP doesn’t believe you have incontinence and wear a pad unless you’ve been referred to the ‘incontinence clinic’ or have pads on prescription.

2- ask for visual proof like photos, A&E visits to prove you’re falling when standing too long

3- ask for testimonials from people around the claimant. Do they see them struggling?

All of this is in place btw.
What I’m trying to say is that arriving with a diagnosis, ADHD or any other, means nothing. What you need is proof by HCP that you’re struggling in a day to day basis.
Atm only 54% of claims lead to an award. So that’s already a lot of people that have been told NO.

Can you think about anything else to ensure that people aren’t making bogus claims?

I’m interested to know where I have said I find large companies making insane profits whilst crying about cost of living, war, Covid, we’ve got a bottom line to think about and shareholders to please blah blah blah acceptable?

What I have said is find me a solution where people spending their benefit money (or anyone spending any money from any source) that they are entitled to DOESNT line the pockets of fat cats.

We do not live in a bartering economy.

Maybe I’m just a realist

I tried having a go at motability for this but was accused of saying all sorts of things I’d never said. Because the fact that I think motability siphoning off public money is corrupt means I think that disabled people should just get public transport (which I didn’t say or imply) apparently.

No. A vaccine for not cause autism. It does have a very strong genetic component - and when you start investigating yhd family history it often becomes apparent that the person with the diagnosis is no outlier.

m please don’t peddle that bullshit - we have a measles issue in part because people peddled that bullshit 25 years ago.

A comedian yes (as your comments show). Realist no.

It is true that PIP is under review.
However, I’d encourage you to broaden your horizon rather than just believing what you read in a Sunday paper.

The issue with PIP is so much more complicated than just ‘oh look someone with ADHD’.
There's been a huge increase in the last 5 years. Some from long Covid and other illnesses following catching Covid. Like POTS, lungs issues, auto immune diseases etc…
There is also since then an explosion in delays in treatment.and people who dint get treated end up claiming PIP. Let’s say an easy example: you need a hip replacement. It’s so bad you can’t walk anymore but you still have a 2~3 years wait for surgery (numbers invented but you get the gist).
When the population as a whole gets sicker because they can’t access healthcare, you get more people of work due to disability.
Im going to say we have another bomb waiting with the increase in retirement age. If retirement age is 67yo but the health span is 60yo, most people between 60 and 67 will have illnesses, some of which won’t be able to work. They claim PIP

There are many other reasons why the number of claimants is increasing like this (fwiw it’s Akso true in the USA fir example) so it’s not just a U.K. issue but something much deeper going on than just ‘people with ADHD can cLaim PIP.

If people want a rational debate they can at least come to the table with either a) a modicum of understanding of the subject or b)bd willing to listen.

instead what frequently happens is the OP.

I am in receipt of PIP at its highest level. I do think that there will be a considerable percentage of claimants who aren't entitled to PIP but get it because they have lied. The problem with OP's post was that there wasn't an attempt for a rational discussion it was basically why do people who have ADHD get PIP and can get a BMW. OP doesn't know anything about ADHD or the mobility scheme and that's where I think they got most peoples backs up (and then carried on being deliberately obtuse and quite frankly rude).

I'd fully agree that each claimant should have a ftf interview, I'd go so far as a home visit but that would presumably outweight the cost of the PIP paid to the fraudulent claims.

Any way, time for me to bow out of this thread as its really quite nasty.

I did not know that. If it’s true then it’s brightened my day

Interviews were f2f until Covid.
they’re bringing back f2f interviews.

As far as I’m aware f2f interviews didn’t lead to better judgement on the claims.

Unfortunately- if not everyone is prepared to pay more - we can’t fix the problems with healthcare, education and other infrastructure as well as maintain the current benefits system. Something has to give, and whilst cuts can be made, Labour is still very short of the funds needed to make the changes they want.

Just checking you understand that logical debate and willingness to listen doesn’t mean just shouting others down with incoherent arguments, putting words into other poster’s mouths and claiming they’ve said things they haven’t (and then using that as the base or your argument)?

Because your comments and responses on this thread don’t demonstrate that you do understand this.

Absolutely the opposite for my Ds .. He was put under far too much pressure in year 11 and had a breakdown.

He was in on a safety plan because he was struggling so much . I definitely wouldn’t say that defines as babying . That is severely struggling .

people with ADHD are on average 2.7 years less mature so no they can’t cope in the school which are far more prescriptive then they ever were .

i have no idea why the rise but i wish people would understand this isn’t a child who just bounces around - he can struggle with small tasks , textures , brushing his teeth is repeated torture for him, noise can be overwhelming , trying to concentrate for long periods of time is something he isn’t capable of , remembering information is challenging .

I don’t speak for any one else, he has spent his life failing to achieve the standards others/ society expect from him. He is currently seeing his peers applying for uni.

Litterally buts a case of try walking a mile in our shoes before you can judge .

The changes are that people unable to work will have their benefit reduced to the point that they will be incentivised to go onto job seeker's benefits (which is going to be more than sickness benefits). None of that makes any sense.
Poverty does not make some on able to work, and those people what move into the job seeking group are going to face sanctions etc for not being able to work.

That’s not quite right. More complicated than that.

There is the Motabilty scheme that is NFP. But the bit that is running Motability, aka buys the cars, lends them etc… is an Ltd. Owned by 4 banks.
Those £7 billions? They’re sitting there in those banks.

And even wo that, if they can make a profit from Motability, then they should lower the starting amount needed to get the car, lower payments, whatever. No need for a £7 billions ‘buffer’. That’s not a buffer. That's greed.