Kyle Clifford - does it make you think the death penalty in some cases might be right?

[mids2019]

Read about Kyle Clifford's crimes and although for most of my life objected to the death penalty actually found it difficult to find reasons in this case not to have it. I really just couldn't think of justification for keeping the guy alive as there. Is no hope of redemption, reformation or education leading to a man being able to renenter scoiety. We would be in a position of keeping someone alive for pets face it the ideological reasons we don't believe it is rig h for the state to forcibly take a life.

Maybe my mind might change but reading about that blokes crimes I think sometimes you do forfeit the right to life.

Rapists, murderers, people who hurt children = Death Penalty.

And you are free to consciously object.

Agree with this. Though I can feel the desire for revenge personally, I don't think it should ever be law.

Well you cannot compare it to cases where the person is out stabbing people in broad daylight, which happens far too often.

I don’t see the death penalty as a deterrent at all. I see it as a way to get rid of dangerous people who cannot live in normal society. People like Kyle and Axel.

Andrew Malkinson, Sally Clark, Angela Cannings, Stefan Kiszkho, Sam Hallam and others would all be fucked then.

I think that the brothers were fostered at a fairly advanced age. Better not say any more 🏳️

Good, I hope it is horrible. If they hadn't committed a crime they wouldn't be there in the first place. Prison would be a punishment so why make it easier for them?

Hopefully he will kill himself in prison.

No, whatever its faults I don’t want the UK to put itself on the same moral platform as Saudi, China, USA, Russia, Afghanistan,North Korea, or any of the other countries run by megalomaniac despots whose understanding of humanity,decency, fairness and democracy could be written on the head of a pin with room left over.

Why did they not publish more on his family background? Usually they do! It’s strange tbh

To clarify, only in cases like Rudukabana where there is NO doubt whatsoever. Considering he admitted it and said, "I'm glad those children are dead", his life should be ended. No coming back from that so why should we all pay to keep evil killers alive in overcrowded prisons.

He had planned suicide from the outset. He was never planning on going to jail so no, his brother wouldn’t be a deterrent.

Timothy Evans admitted it. It was one of the main planks of the case against him.

Murder is so terrible that we must murder the murderer?

No. We are civilised. How can the state possibly condemn taking a life if it does the same?

Moreover, laws are made for all of society not just one murderer. And we know that innocent people have spent years in jail.

We can compensate people for miscarriages of justice and they at least have a chance of leading some.sort of life. That's impossible for someone who's been killed by the state.

I think those who have done heinous crimes should be made to suffer till the end of their natural life. Prison isn't suffering. Its more like a boarding school. So many rights and luxuries. Sorry but they shouldn't be allowed to watch TV play pool have fun at the gym when they have murdered abused children women etc
I am against the death penalty but strongly believe there should be a proper prison where the worst of worst are literally grouped together and have to get on with it no tv no showers gym games no medical treatment no prison officers risking themselves breaking up fights etc.
I'm more of the put them on an island mindpoint where they are literally left to live horribly or die painfully

Where does that leave all the convicted murderers who didn't say I'm glad they're dead? Should we retry them? Guilty means guilty, not 'let's hope so'.

Doesn’t prison get rid of dangerous people who cannot live in normal society?

And frankly, what sort of “normal society” are you talking about? Maybe we ought to have a “normal society” where people are proactively screened and removed if we think they might be a danger to others in the future, either physically, politically or morally, you know like they do in Iran, Russia and China , of course then you have to decide who makes those decisions.

The death penalty is never right or acceptable. Ever. That's it.

Opposition to the death penalty isn't really about what people "deserve " or don't deserve. Most people oppose it because we think it's too dangerous a power to hand the state. Which it is. There probably are (a very few) individual cases in which it would be the least bad solution, but it's not a door we can afford to open.

Nah, death penalty is way too easy - although I understand the frustration and rage people feel at the thought of dropping ££££££ on keeping such a depraved oxygen thief alive for the next 50 years or so. His brother is also serving a life sentence for murder so apple fell bang right next to the tree, in this case.

It warms my cold, dead heart to think of him spending the rest of his pitiful, pathetic existence hopefully in excruciating pain from his injuries, a terrified sitting duck for prison revenge attacks.

I’m strongly in favour of the death penalty.

And this is why we must never, ever let families/survivors have any input into punishment. It needs to be legal, fair, consistent and devoid of all emotion. That's why we have a proper criminal justice system.

Unfortunately it doesn't get rid of them for long enough as sentencing is too soft.

Yes. I feel like our luxury beliefs are becoming the destroyer of the country.

I don't think someone who is as evil as this guy, can be rehabilitated. Meanwhile life in prison costs the uk millions - money we don't have.