Kyle Clifford - does it make you think the death penalty in some cases might be right?

[mids2019]

Read about Kyle Clifford's crimes and although for most of my life objected to the death penalty actually found it difficult to find reasons in this case not to have it. I really just couldn't think of justification for keeping the guy alive as there. Is no hope of redemption, reformation or education leading to a man being able to renenter scoiety. We would be in a position of keeping someone alive for pets face it the ideological reasons we don't believe it is rig h for the state to forcibly take a life.

Maybe my mind might change but reading about that blokes crimes I think sometimes you do forfeit the right to life.

But he did choose it.
He didn't have to do what he did. He'd be a free man today if he'd chosen a different path.

This is why feminism fails: women prioritising a relationship with a man over a class-based understanding of male violence and avoiding men on that basis.

You have no idea, none at all, just how much some men hate you.

I’m not going to avoid men just to end up living some kind of half-life of work, chit chat and not much else. 99% of women wouldn’t. We don’t owe you our happiness.

The post you were responding to directly mentioned Levi Bellfield so what do you expect?

Studies of adopted children have shown that violent tendencies are inherited. Adopted kids take after their birth parents. In non-adoptive families, the kids see the violence of the man they inherit from because he is present. That might reinforce the inherited behaviour, but it doesn't cause it. We are not tabulae rasae.

I think he's given himself a worse life than the death penalty TBH. He's now paralysed and has to live with what he has done forever.

Horrible man deserves it.

You seem to think trolling is restricted to lying @selffellatingouroborosofhate. Both the Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries define it as someone posting or commenting online to deliberately upset others. This is what you were doing when you made your suggestion about aborting all male foetuses.

No, taking a life is never right, even if done by the state. If murder is wrong it is always wrong no matter how evil the person you want to kill is you can't say killing is wrong except when someone decides that the person doesn't deserve to live. We are better than that and justice should never be about revenge.

I don’t think they’re trying to upset, I feel this poster is just incredibly ideological and absolutist in their thinking because they have a poor view of men and likely no male relationships they find fulfilling (correct me if wrong).

I just feel sad for this poster. Probably someone quite lonely and isolated. Let’s move on.

Axels father knew what he was like. He stopped him getting in a taxi the week before.

Sainsburys lol.
On the other hand, you will.get free food, board, and access to doctors and dentists without having to wait.
You've got no stress of trying to.pay the bills.

I agree. People have a skewed idea of what prison is like, which is mot helpful. We need more rehabilitation to reduce recidivism, not just more brutality.

Ask yourself this before you decide that the death penalty should be brought back:

Would you be happy to be the person administering the lethal injection, or pulling the lever?

I have thought about this occasionally (usually at the height of some atrocious murder case) and wondered whether death would be a suitable punishment - but know that I'd never be able to carry out the procedure.

Did anyone see the BBC doc on the Nottingham murders? That was basically proof parents can only do so much. Valdo Caolcane’s brother was on the documentary and was an incredibly polite, articulate young man who seemed to have complete empathy for his brother’s victims and has written to their families to apologise (even though he didn’t do anything). His parents have somehow managed to raise 2 sons, one a credit to them, the other a mass murderer due to a MH crisis.

Would you be happy to carry out late term abortions even if you believe in them? Or abortions at all?

@Wildflowers99

Yes, absolutely, if I were a doctor.

I wouldn’t. I’m a hypocrite because I believe in abortions up to a certain point but don’t think I could carry them out myself. I think I would be ok administering a lethal injection to KC though. Because ending the life, or potential life, of a 100% innocent human being is far harder than the life of a triple murderer and sadist who has brought untold suffering and misery.

He’s an awful specimen of humankind, but I expect he’ll feel worse having to endure a full life sentence.

I disagree with the death penalty on moral grounds. But certainly wouldn't be opposed to a life-changing beating. I'd have queued up to have my own go on Sara Sharif's father after listening to the judges sentencing.

I do think that those on a life sentence, where there's absolutely not even a shred of doubt that they did it, that their lives should be miserable. I'm talking starvation rations, no commissary, no entertainment of any kind. Let them sit in a windowless box for the rest of their lives and think about what a fuck-up they are.

He's likely to be sent to a long term sex offender prison which will be a nicer environment. Prison and Healthcare staff who may fall for his sob story. Who knows im sure he'll get plenty of pen pals. He knows how prison works, hes done enough visits.

I would bet this man had a history of domestic abuse. His parents probably knew, they raised another murderer after all.

It’s rarely a shock.

He will be living very well with what he has done. He doesn’t feel remorse like a normal person. He will be getting lots of fan letters like all other young male killers and it frankly makes me sick.

I'm with you @zingally where you write that if they are 💯guilty, no question, then "their lives should be miserable"- "starvation rations" ( or near it ), "no entertainment. Stuck in a windowless box for the rest of their lives " so they'll have plenty of time to contemplate the awfulness of their crimes.

How can you rehabilitate someone who killed 3 defenceless women in their own home and also raped one of them ?
Or their ilk.

Personally I think our society in the UK and Ireland, is too soft on crime.

Getting them gone would be no loss then.