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Zelensky - feeling quite sad

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Bakewelltart1 · 01/03/2025 20:18

I know that there are several threads about him, but I’ve watched the interview again today.
I don’t know what’s made me feel more sad - how exhausted and disappointed he looked, the fact that English isn’t his first language and it must have been hard to speak, let alone speak whilst being verbally attacked, or the suit question.
When the war is over, I want to buy that man the best suit money can buy!
How can anyone kick someone when they are so down anyway.

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CarmelaBrunella · 02/03/2025 09:57

It's Poland in 1939 all over again, divided by Hitler and Stalin for their own ends.

noblegiraffe · 02/03/2025 10:10

Molly70 · 02/03/2025 03:48

Perhaps he didn’t have insurance

I believe that when one of the CEOs of a US healthcare company was murdered in cold blood in the streets, the murderer has been lauded as a hero by many in the US. The stories that have come out of how healthcare insurance companies have denied millions of legitimate healthcare claims in order to improve shareholder profits is quite something.

So perhaps he did have insurance and the insurance company decided not to pay out as they seem to do quite a lot.

Baital · 02/03/2025 11:42

CarmelaBrunella · 02/03/2025 09:57

It's Poland in 1939 all over again, divided by Hitler and Stalin for their own ends.

This

Baital · 02/03/2025 11:44

CarmelaBrunella · 02/03/2025 09:57

It's Poland in 1939 all over again, divided by Hitler and Stalin for their own ends.

And it's only a matter of time before they turn on each other. In the meantime they will cause appalling misery and abuse to the country they carved up.

CarmelaBrunella · 02/03/2025 11:56

Baital · 02/03/2025 11:44

And it's only a matter of time before they turn on each other. In the meantime they will cause appalling misery and abuse to the country they carved up.

That's what concerns me.

Notonthestairs · 02/03/2025 12:04

SuperTrooper14 · 02/03/2025 08:57

A new angle of footage from the Oval Office on Friday shows Trump winking at Monstrous Marjorie's reporter OH as he asked the "why aren't you wearing a suit?" question, which shows the meeting was set-up to belittle Zeleneskyy.

Edited

Is this true?

I can well believe Trump and Putin are hoping for a regime change to further their own ends.

newkettleandtoaster · 02/03/2025 12:40

Molly70 · 01/03/2025 20:39

I don’t think that meeting was the time and place for Zelensky to start lecturing Trump and Vance. He called Vance, JD, which was very disrespectful. Trump ribbed him about his attire when he greeted him but it was a journalist who brought it up in the meeting. Zelinsky was there to sign the mineral agreement and he should have stuck to that and discussed other concerns privately. It was Trump and Vance who were ambushed

What a strange take on it all.

Nowt so queer as folk, as they say.

newkettleandtoaster · 02/03/2025 12:46

MarvellousMarch · 01/03/2025 21:01

I was thinking imagine if they sold that outfit with the trident, I'd buy it. I bet so many would to support Ukraine

That's a very interesting thought.

I wonder if somebody could make it happen?

Additionally, does anybody know the best way to practically support Ukraine? I have donated to the Red Cross etc, but there's overwhelming support on this thread for Zelensky and Ukraine on this thread, if everybody could send a fiver it would be good.

Going to have a look now for the best way to do it.

messybutfun · 02/03/2025 13:38

Rosesducks · 01/03/2025 21:10

Power isn’t about what’s fair it’s about who controls the narrative, and in that Oval Office showdown, both men were playing for different stakes. Zelensky walked in needing unwavering U.S. support, hoping to reaffirm his country’s moral high ground. Trump, on the other hand, wanted dominance an undisputed claim to being the man who dictates the terms of global order. And let’s be clear, Trump relishes confrontation because in his mind, power is a transaction, not a principle.

Trump didn't just dismiss Zelensky; he humiliated him. Telling him he "doesn’t have the cards" wasn’t just bravado it was a calculated move to strip Ukraine of any leverage. By treating Zelensky as a desperate supplicant rather than a wartime leader, Trump sent a clear message: Ukraine’s survival is a U.S. decision, not a Ukrainian one. And when he coldly stated Zelensky could "come back when he is ready for peace," he wasn’t just shutting the door—he was setting the terms. In one stroke, he positioned himself as the sole arbiter of Ukraine’s fate while making it clear that further support would come with strings attached.

That’s the kind of move a Machiavellian strategist can admire. It’s brutal, but effective. Trump is testing the waters for a potential second term, and he wants the world to know that American policy under him will be transactional—no blank checks, no sentimentality, only deals that serve his interests. Putin couldn't have asked for a better soundbite.

Zelensky, to his credit, stood his ground. But defiance without leverage is just performance. His presence in the Oval Office was meant to project strength, yet Trump turned it into an interrogation. The Ukrainian leader now finds himself in a precarious position: he must maintain international support while dealing with a White House that could turn against him. And make no mistake his visible exhaustion, his struggle to hold the room, all played into Trump’s hands.

Nothing weakens an ally more than making them appear desperate.
That said, Zelensky may have unintentionally played the long game. His fiery defiance has only solidified domestic support in Ukraine. The perception of being “bullied” by Trump could also rally European allies and parts of the U.S. establishment against Trump's isolationist instincts. If he leverages this moment correctly, he can turn Trump’s dismissal into a rallying cry for continued Western aid. The question is will that be enough?

From a pure power perspective, Trump walked away with the advantage. He didn’t just challenge Zelenskyy he reframed the entire U.S./Ukraine relationship.

He put Ukraine on notice: no more automatic support, no more unconditional backing. He played to his base, who see Ukraine as a money pit, and sent a subtle message to Moscow: under a Trump administration, Kyiv would have to fight much harder for American backing.

But power is a long game, and the battlefield isn’t just the Oval Office it’s public perception, global alliances, and the 2024 election. If Zelenskyy and his allies can turn Trump’s arrogance into a liability, if they can make the case that abandoning Ukraine would embolden Putin, then Trump’s cold dismissal may come back to haunt him. But make no mistake if Zelenskyy doesn’t recalibrate his approach, he risks becoming a pawn rather than a player.

In politics, weakness is never forgiven, and Trump just made sure the world saw Zelenskyy on the back foot. Whether Zelensky can turn this moment into strength that’s the real game now.

Edited

Trump didn’t send a subtle message to Moscow.

This was a message delivered verbatim from Putin via Trump.

Molly70 · 02/03/2025 14:42

noblegiraffe · 02/03/2025 10:10

I believe that when one of the CEOs of a US healthcare company was murdered in cold blood in the streets, the murderer has been lauded as a hero by many in the US. The stories that have come out of how healthcare insurance companies have denied millions of legitimate healthcare claims in order to improve shareholder profits is quite something.

So perhaps he did have insurance and the insurance company decided not to pay out as they seem to do quite a lot.

If he was a visitor then he would have had U K travel insurance not US healthcare insurance

PiggyPigalle · 02/03/2025 15:00

newkettleandtoaster · 02/03/2025 12:46

That's a very interesting thought.

I wonder if somebody could make it happen?

Additionally, does anybody know the best way to practically support Ukraine? I have donated to the Red Cross etc, but there's overwhelming support on this thread for Zelensky and Ukraine on this thread, if everybody could send a fiver it would be good.

Going to have a look now for the best way to do it.

The official one.
UNITED24 - The initiative of the President of Ukraine

Wildflowers99 · 02/03/2025 15:03

newkettleandtoaster · 02/03/2025 12:46

That's a very interesting thought.

I wonder if somebody could make it happen?

Additionally, does anybody know the best way to practically support Ukraine? I have donated to the Red Cross etc, but there's overwhelming support on this thread for Zelensky and Ukraine on this thread, if everybody could send a fiver it would be good.

Going to have a look now for the best way to do it.

Try RAZOM.

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 02/03/2025 15:07

swingandtrampoline · 01/03/2025 21:13

Tucking Netanyahu in his chair, hosting a civilian like god in the Oval Office with his son wiping his bogies on the table to treating a sovereign county's leader with such despicable behaviour live on TV is absolutely disgusting. I'm not a fan of Zelensky, for his politics, for getting into bed with the wrong guys from the very start and his wife spending thousands in Cartier whilst their fellow citizens have become refugees but no one deserves to be treated with such abhorrent behaviour. Shame on them!

That's Russian disinformation about Madame Zelenska's spending:

False.
The alleged Cartier receipt, used to claim that Olena Zelenska spent $1.1 million on jewelry in New York, is dated the same day she and President Zelensky were in Canada.
Looking at her itinerary, there is no realistic prospect that Zelenska would have been able to visit Canada and then fly to New York to go shopping without attracting attention.
Further, the social media account from which the claim came could not be found, apart from one private account with no posts or followers. The original source of the video that contained the claim could not be found. There were no reports of similar shopping trips while Zelenska was in the U.S. recently.
The claim was initially shared among pro-Russian social media channels that have been associated with misleading information about Ukraine and is similar to another misleading story about a Zelenska shopping spree published last year.
FACT CHECK BY Newsweek's Fact Check team

FaithFables · 02/03/2025 15:19

Molly70 · 01/03/2025 20:39

I don’t think that meeting was the time and place for Zelensky to start lecturing Trump and Vance. He called Vance, JD, which was very disrespectful. Trump ribbed him about his attire when he greeted him but it was a journalist who brought it up in the meeting. Zelinsky was there to sign the mineral agreement and he should have stuck to that and discussed other concerns privately. It was Trump and Vance who were ambushed

You obviously watched a completely different meeting than the rest of the world.

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 02/03/2025 15:27

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · Today 06:11
I'm sorry, but how much has the USA gotten back from Ukraine?
All I ever hear here is "giving", with zero quid pro quo. I hope we are getting something back for the hundreds of billions we have given. I won't hold my breath though.

Most of the money went to US companies who make war items like planes and missiles - but not all of the end products have reached Ukraine yet, and nor has hundreds of billions of dollars in cash been given. So another claim debunked. The US State Department says:

To date, we have provided $65.9 billion in military assistance since Russia launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, and approximately $69.2 billion in military assistance since Russia’s initial invasion of Ukraine in 2014. We have now used the emergency Presidential Drawdown Authority on 55 occasions since August 2021 to provide Ukraine military assistance totaling approximately $27.688 billion from DoD stockpiles.

www.state.gov/bureau-of-political-military-affairs/releases/2025/01/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine

Mumtobabyhavoc · 02/03/2025 16:06

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 06:11

I'm sorry, but how much has the USA gotten back from Ukraine?

All I ever hear here is "giving", with zero quid pro quo. I hope we are getting something back for the hundreds of billions we have given. I won't hold my breath though.

Another pro-Trump/Russian alliance poster peddling shite. DFO.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 02/03/2025 16:10

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 02/03/2025 15:07

That's Russian disinformation about Madame Zelenska's spending:

False.
The alleged Cartier receipt, used to claim that Olena Zelenska spent $1.1 million on jewelry in New York, is dated the same day she and President Zelensky were in Canada.
Looking at her itinerary, there is no realistic prospect that Zelenska would have been able to visit Canada and then fly to New York to go shopping without attracting attention.
Further, the social media account from which the claim came could not be found, apart from one private account with no posts or followers. The original source of the video that contained the claim could not be found. There were no reports of similar shopping trips while Zelenska was in the U.S. recently.
The claim was initially shared among pro-Russian social media channels that have been associated with misleading information about Ukraine and is similar to another misleading story about a Zelenska shopping spree published last year.
FACT CHECK BY Newsweek's Fact Check team

Glad you called out the post. They are propaganda posts. It's like whack-a-mole.

Crikeyalmighty · 02/03/2025 16:54

Forgive me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware US help was given with no strings attached- a change of regime doesn't mean you can retrospectively make demands- it's like your mother buying you a house outright, no strings attached - she remarries and your stepdad starts asking when you are going to start paying her back for it.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 02/03/2025 16:57

Crikeyalmighty · 02/03/2025 16:54

Forgive me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware US help was given with no strings attached- a change of regime doesn't mean you can retrospectively make demands- it's like your mother buying you a house outright, no strings attached - she remarries and your stepdad starts asking when you are going to start paying her back for it.

Yes.

JoyousGreyOrca · 02/03/2025 16:58

I gave money towards relieving the famine in Ethiopia. I am sure they should now give me back four times what I gave them.

Rosesducks · 02/03/2025 17:08

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 02/03/2025 15:07

That's Russian disinformation about Madame Zelenska's spending:

False.
The alleged Cartier receipt, used to claim that Olena Zelenska spent $1.1 million on jewelry in New York, is dated the same day she and President Zelensky were in Canada.
Looking at her itinerary, there is no realistic prospect that Zelenska would have been able to visit Canada and then fly to New York to go shopping without attracting attention.
Further, the social media account from which the claim came could not be found, apart from one private account with no posts or followers. The original source of the video that contained the claim could not be found. There were no reports of similar shopping trips while Zelenska was in the U.S. recently.
The claim was initially shared among pro-Russian social media channels that have been associated with misleading information about Ukraine and is similar to another misleading story about a Zelenska shopping spree published last year.
FACT CHECK BY Newsweek's Fact Check team

These events underscore the potency of disinformation and the meticulous orchestration of public perception. The false narrative about Zelenska's spending serves to erode trust and distract from critical geopolitical issues. Simultaneously, breaches of decorum in diplomatic settings can shift focus away from substantive policy discussions to sensationalist critiques.

In the relentless pursuit of power and influence, such tactics are wielded to manipulate public opinion and destabilize adversaries. Recognizing and dissecting these maneuvers is essential for maintaining a clear eyed perspective on the intricate chessboard of international relations.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 02/03/2025 17:15

@Crikeyalmighty
I watched an interesting analysis this morning. Trump is dismantling 80 years of post-war diplomacy.

Here is an article re your previous post.

abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/trumps-abrupt-change-us-policy-ukraine-raises-questions-119115027

Rosesducks · 02/03/2025 17:28

Mumtobabyhavoc · 02/03/2025 17:15

@Crikeyalmighty
I watched an interesting analysis this morning. Trump is dismantling 80 years of post-war diplomacy.

Here is an article re your previous post.

abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/trumps-abrupt-change-us-policy-ukraine-raises-questions-119115027

President Trump's foreign policy represents a significant shift from the established norms of the past 80 years. Whether this constitutes the dismantling of post-war diplomacy or a necessary recalibration of U.S. foreign policy depends largely on one's perspective regarding America's role on the global stage.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 02/03/2025 17:31

Rosesducks · 02/03/2025 17:28

President Trump's foreign policy represents a significant shift from the established norms of the past 80 years. Whether this constitutes the dismantling of post-war diplomacy or a necessary recalibration of U.S. foreign policy depends largely on one's perspective regarding America's role on the global stage.

Yes, please elaborate.

noblegiraffe · 02/03/2025 17:33

Rosesducks · 02/03/2025 17:08

These events underscore the potency of disinformation and the meticulous orchestration of public perception. The false narrative about Zelenska's spending serves to erode trust and distract from critical geopolitical issues. Simultaneously, breaches of decorum in diplomatic settings can shift focus away from substantive policy discussions to sensationalist critiques.

In the relentless pursuit of power and influence, such tactics are wielded to manipulate public opinion and destabilize adversaries. Recognizing and dissecting these maneuvers is essential for maintaining a clear eyed perspective on the intricate chessboard of international relations.

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