Ukraine Invasion: Part 54

[MagicFox]

We're on 54. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
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@Igotjelly umm yes.

I'm sorry I'm not being clear I am not blaming zelensky for being emotional I'm looking with my eyes and seeing a man broken and desperate.

I saw the same desperation begging the eu for an army, begging them to step up. He did this years ago... I'm not attributing blame, of course who wouldn't be on the edge and riled up??

Europe has helped but it can't defend itself let alone Ukraine from Russia!!
The USA has changed admiration to the possibility of a worse outcome.

He's stuck and caught and yes sure he shouldn't play the trump game but look where we are?

Hopefully if Europe can release putin funds it will help but he still has to be careful about what he uses against putin because he has nukes.

I don't think this meeting should have happened and certainly not in tv with press.
Zelensky has been amazing during all of this and he keeps saying I'm holding the line but unfortunately no one in Europe seems to prioritise this and USA doesn't seem to care.

I'm reading a thread on the meeting on an America-centric forum and it is disturbing to see so many Americans saying that Trump and Vance were amazing and really taught Zelensky a lesson and shit like that. Not even that utter embarrassment can make them disavow Trump.

So all Americas allies now know if anything happens to your country you had better have something of monetary value to hand over while kissing Trumps arse if you want help

Europe can't rely on America. Instead of buying from them we need to galvanise our own industries and begin making our own decisions. Trump's America (which I distinguish from America itself) will lose many allies in its stand against China and it has shat on the world order so carefully built and managed by better administrations. How short sighted

I don't see a broken man. A broken man would have signed his country over to the scum Putin, Trump and Vance.

Zelensky has come away from this looking stronger than ever, it's Trump who looks weak.

Lindsey Graham suggesting Zelenskyy needs to resign. Absolute fucking cretin.

He says he doesn’t think the US can ever do business with Zelensky again.

It's so extraordinarily unbelievable -do you think it could possibly be performative in any way?

Omg.

I adore zelensky he's a hero but surely you can feel his desperation!. I'm not saying this in a critical way!
He was begging the eu to step up. He's been begging for years. He's holding the line against Europe and Russia and now the worst outcome for him is the regime change.

Some intelligence office has has just been on sky reiterating what I'm saying.

Trump and vance have behaved atrociously I think it goes without saying surely they are but it's where we are..
Starmer arrived with royal letters and stroked his ego no one should no one should have too... It's incredible but it's where we. Are.

I don’t think so. BBC are reporting Zelenskyy and his team went into a side room to await Trump and instead Rubio came in and asked them to leave.

Was it on Reddit? A link would be appreciated.

How are you feeling about it all @MissConductUS? my heart breaks for decent Americans.

We've just seen in real time big powers negotiating with each other (US and Russia) and bullying smaller states for their own mutual benefit

Have also been thinking of you @MissConductUS

City-data.com. I accidentally ended up there once many years ago and go back from time to time to see what the Americans are saying, it seems to be majority right wing which skews it, though plenty arguing against.

The king should revoke his invite to Trump and give it to Zelenskyy instead!

Bloody hell! They are so unprofessional, unstatesmenly, its shocking that no one is advising them better (or I guess they're not listening to people trying to advise them)

I worked with politicians for years, you can only really advise if they listen to the advice, otherwise it’s white noise to them. Trump doesn’t listen, watch his body language when Zelenskyy shows him the photos, not a shred of empathy or humanity. Fucking disgraceful.

Do we think the chances of Putin using a nuclear weapon to try and scare Ukraine and Europe into capitulation have increased given he now doesn’t have to fear a devastating retaliatory strike by the US?

Pesky visitors, couldn't have picked a worse time. I haven't even seen the Washington meeting, just a short clip. Now I don't want to see it.

I have read that Zelensky's casual attire was criticised! Vacuous, superficial bunch.

No

Nah, think we now know that both Russia and the US are after the land and minerals so nuking would be self defeating for them

I would love to believe this was the case but it was so brutal I can’t think it was

Yes that’s very true.

@MagicFox I did think that as well I do wonder if top pyscologists and profilers are working behind the scenes to try and out move putin, putin would be thrilled with this, so would that help in any way?

One hopes something more sophisticated is going on behind the scenes.