Why is there no threads about trump and putin?

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Just making a deal without Ukraine ? Is this not really fucked up? I'm worrying more than I ever have about the world. I think Europe need to tell them to fuck off

@username299 At the moment the UK is by itself and would last six months against an invasion.

Heard that before. Nearly a thousand years since anyone managed it

It amazes me that people still deride Chamberlain for giving us 'peace in our time'. Chamberlain gave us time to train and equip and also to build (specifically Chain Home which was our saviour in 1940). That delay paid massive dividends.

Yes I know. I was responding to the statement that supposedly America is merely trying to exit the whole thing. They're not, they're sacrificing European security to narrow short term economic interests of their own and dressing this up to US voters as a fair exchange.

Very much foe

It could have been predicted when they elected that orange clown for a second time.

Fucking wow

Did you see he blamed Ukraine for starting the war? For getting invaded!

Were Ukraine’s borders out late in a short skirt or something?’

As an American, I don’t want one American life or one American dollar sacrificed for Ukraine. Maybe Europeans feel differently tho

@RingoJuice and your commentary neatly sums up the isolationism (selfishness) and ignorance of American / populist voters discussed earlier. No interest in the world outside your own backyard, and holding onto the ignorant and ill-read view that this situation has nothing to do with America. It's disgusts me.

What an extraordinarily short sighted comment at the end.

Yes he commented last night that somehow Zelensky was not authorised to be in power! Despite the current postponement of elections agreed and taking place well within the remit of Ukraine's enshrined constitution due to being at war and invaded by an enemy nation! Unlike the storming of the capital ffs! You couldn't make this shit up! These Americans are fucking hypocritical snakes

@WinterMorn why do you say that? What will be sacrificed by US?

This afternoon, opening BBC News to see that Trump has called Zelensky a dictator. WTAF.

@EasternStandard what happens in this situation has huge ramifications for all of us. Unsurprisingly, Europeans don’t think that their lives are worth less than American ones.

Well said. So many have not even left the country or know any on a map

It has ramifications for us, and (terrifyingly even) we are more at risk than those in the US

The last few posts are somewhat indicative. The you're all idiots, now keep paying.

If you yell insults at people long enough they generally won't pay.

@EasternStandard it's not even really about America paying, per se. The betrayal is far worse than even that. It's about their morality. Trump making up lies and despicable falsehoods about Zelensky, barefaced lying about how the war started, and about Ukrainian democracy whilst forming a league with murderer Putin and paving the way for him to destroy a sovereign nation in order to line their own pockets. It is all utterly beyond the pale, unacceptable, sickening, and the lowest possible behaviour. It makes me shudder with revulsion, and how any Americans can sit back whilst this happening on their watch I'll never understand.

Well said

This

And also, as well as the ones sitting back, there are the ones actively promoting it

It makes me sick to the stomach

The trouble is that Europe on her own cannot help Ukraine to win this war. Zelensky said so.

Trump has always said Europe has been sponging off the US when it comes to military spending. This is very true.

The US has a new sheriff in town. He is responsible to his electorate, not to Europe. And he has zero interest in European affairs. Tough.

Biden goaded Europe into supporting NATO expansion. This goaded Putin to attack Ukraine.

The sooner this whole mess stops, the better. Everyone living in the UK has already paid too much through increased price of food, energy and higher mortgage rates caused by higher inflation and higher interest rates.

@dayoffvibes my post was referring to the build up of anti US rhetoric pre GE. The kind that could tip voters into giving mandate to stop funding.

As for now, it's a mess and feels risky. We are exposed here even more.

And why exactly should we give taxpayer money to a war effort that is ultimately not sustainable?

You speak a lot about American selfishness when we are essentially ponying up half the funding. For a war that many of us really don’t care about. And for vague strategic value.

America will cause WW3 , let’s hope @RingoJuice and people who agree with her can live with the millions of deaths they will cause with their short sighted selfish thoughts. You and your view are disgusting.

Then again you elected that clown/dictator so I guess you already don’t care.

How do you figure?

It seems Europe is the one that’s gonna tip us into WW3.

I am utterly disgusted at what Trump is saying about Zelenskyy and Ukraine. He’s acting like a bloody kid in the playground. These are surely his personal views and as such should be kept personal. Fuming.

And why exactly should we give taxpayer money to a war effort that is ultimately not sustainable?

You speak a lot about American selfishness when we are essentially ponying up half the funding. For a war that many of us really don’t care about. And for vague strategic value.

@RingoJuice you're really not doing yourself any favours on this thread, merely showcasing your ignorance and selfishness and (arguably) representing the very worst stereotypes of your country.

In answer to your question:

• the strategic value to supporting Ukraine is not "vague". Leaving aside democracy, people lives and stuff you clearly don't care about, it directly impacts Americans' safety, security and economy. So what's in your pocket. Which I imagine concerns you since it's all about you?

• a destabilised Europe will drive up inflation in the US and disrupt supply chains

• if Russia gain from the Ukraine war China will be emboldened to invade Taiwan take on American interests globally impacting on the US economy as well as cyber security, the race to lead AI etc.

• by the way, an invasion of Taiwan would mean a stock market crash, due to the dependency of America on their chips (they produce over 90% of the worlds supply) and shortages on everything from smartphones and computers to cars.

• shipping lanes around China would likely be blockaded meaning a shortage of everyday supplies and goods to Americans, meaning ergo inflation and massive price hikes on your weekly groceries, a terrible crisis.

• fuel cost hikes for Americans due to the same shipping lane issue.

So to conclude even if you selfishly don't care about the rules based global order, or democracy, or Ukrainian lives, or European lives, then know this- a war in Taiwan would hit Americans deeply in their pockets and your power in the world would be utterly depleted. An unkind part of me thinks it would be just desserts. But sadly you lot would bring the rest of Europe down with you.

Leaving aside democracy, people lives and stuff you clearly don't care about, it directly impacts Americans' safety, security and economy

First of all, you save lives if you can end a war sooner than later. Second of all it actually does not impact American security as much as you think. Why does America have anything to fear over Russian control over the breakaway regions?

destabilised Europe will drive up inflation in the US and disrupt supply chains

You are destabilizing yourselves by not pushing Ukraine to make a quick agreement. Russia will only take more territory and more lives the longer this goes on. You cannot seriously think they can beat Russia?

if Russia gain from the Ukraine war China will be emboldened to invade Taiwan take on American interests globally impacting on the US economy

It is inevitable that China will retake Taiwan imho. Why do you think the US has TSMC produce domestically? Think they will also partner with Intel.

So to conclude even if you selfishly don't care about the rules based global order

Believing in a ‘rules-based international order’ is like believing in Santa Claus at this point. Only Westerners ever actually believed in it

Ukrainian lives, or European lives, then know this- a war in Taiwan would hit Americans deeply in their pockets and your power in the world would be utterly depleted. An unkind part of me thinks it would be just desserts. But sadly you lot would bring the rest of Europe down with you

It is very odd you say you care about Ukrainian lives when you want to prolong a war that will only kill more of them, for no real gain.