Page 4 | Vote, Now we are a few years down the line, do you think brexit should have happened ?

Rainbowdeer · 2025-02-10T17:35:33+00:00

Personally I say no, even though I voted to leave, at least I can look back and say this was a mistake if the vote was to happen now I would vote remain my reasons for voting at the time was because, I wanted this country to be the captain of its own country and not to have to follow whatever another country told us too basically Independence also we were also lied to that, this would really improve the NHS which was clearly aload of shit looking back I can at least own my mistake saying voted leave but, I now I think it was the wrong choice I also think the media are a lot to blame, by making out no way will people vote to leave And that only racists will vote leave the whole country was in shock the next morning when the results came out

Clavinova · 10/02/2025 22:15

fromthevault · 10/02/2025 22:11

Desperate straw-clutching, even by your usual standards, Clav. Not even bothering to cite your sources anymore. Give it up, hey?

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Sorry - thought it was obvious. The tweets are still available - I've just checked.

Giggorata · 10/02/2025 22:18

Lonelycrab · 10/02/2025 19:35

Well as someone said… not everyone that voted for Brexit was a racist… but every single racist voted for Brexit. The old saying goes; lie down with dogs and you’ll get fleas.

None of the Brexit promises have, or will come true.
-lucrative trade deals from the rest of the world: nope
-decrease in immigration: even bigger fatter nope.
-Ability to “make one’s own laws”… well the reality of it is the more we diverge from (basically) international law and standards. the more and more isolated we will become, particularly wrt foreign investment (yes brexiteers that’s important even though it has the word foreign in it). Inward investment has plummeted I believe.

With immigration, only around 10% comes from “stop the boats!!!”
The rest is via visas, for legal immigration; students, much needed essential workers too. Any govt with their heads not completely up there arse (ie not the reform party) will understand that ceasing ALL immigration would actually be disastrous to the country; we just don’t have the workers for the jobs that need doing and clutching a Union Jack and a can of Stella whilst shouting at the traffic isn’t going to change that.

Brexit was always a con. Distract the masses with claims that foreigners were the root of all our problems (they’re really not) while the actual elite (Farage, Banks, Mogg and a thousand other right wing bad actors) actually make a killing out of the negative effects. They’re the ones that have profited from this faux patriotic little chess game of theirs.

The only “growth” we have in this country is now in financial services. Money laundering in other words. How does that help the average community?
It doesn’t. It helps a tiny minority.

And that was always the point.

The wealth gap is bigger than ever. Billionaires are twice as rich as they were and money drains from everyone else’s pockets, mine included.

We reap what we sow, or rather we all have to reap what some of you sowed.
Hey ho.

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Too right.
sorry, not sorry for the big quotation, but it expresses what I wanted to say.

Thingymajigii · 10/02/2025 22:21

We're in a much weaker position now - as I predicted.

Echobelly · 10/02/2025 22:22

I knew it was an awful idea then and it has been proved to be an awful idea now. We always ruled ourselves, I can't see any sense in which we are more 'free' now. But appreciate you acknowledging you made the wrong decision @Rainbowdeer

It was always a ridiculous idea to open this to a public vote when most people (and I am one of them) really have no clue how it works or properly understand it. And now we're on our own with a fascist in the White House. Great.

Never understood people going 'Oh, less red tape' as presumably now there is more red tape now that we're no longer aligned with the EU. Starmer should ignore the whinging of the Daily Mail and realign us with EU which is what most people want now; it would be a lifeline to small businesses, to people like musicians and performers who now can't work easily abroad.

Clavinova · 10/02/2025 22:25

Lonelycrab
the vaccine rollout didn’t really have any meaningful effect on the overall outcome

It made a difference to our economic recovery:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/may/12/uk-economy-rebounds-in-march-after-rapid-covid-vaccine-rollout
^https://news.sky.com/story/the-uk-actually-fared-much-better-after-covid-than-first-thought-heres-why-it-matters-12952220^

HidingFromDD · 10/02/2025 22:26

Can we move away from the 52% voted leave please. It was 52% of the people who voted, so just under 40% of the population. The biggest problem was that for the under 35s it was such a blatantly obvious result that they didn’t think they needed to vote, which was our downfall. The biggest advantage the leave voters had was actually Covid as it threw the whole world into an economic shitstorm and masked the brexit impact. We’re starting to feel it now but there’s a way to go yet sadly. So no, I voted remain then, I’d vote remain now and I have zero respect for the intellect of anyone who voted leave, and probably even less for those who maintain it wasn’t ‘racist’ reasons as they very obviously don’t have a grasp of worldwide economics

HRTQueen · 10/02/2025 22:32

No there never should have been a referendum

and MP’s had the power to object to this or in the very least force discussions of how the referendum would be managed

every MP that voted to hold the referendum let us down regardless what side they were on its was an utter disgrace

Clavinova · 10/02/2025 22:32

Looking at these polls mostly less than 50% actively want to rejoin the EU;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_re-accession_of_the_United_Kingdom_to_the_European_Union

SnapdragonToadflax · 10/02/2025 22:34

It was blatantly obvious to anyone with half a brain that it was a terrible idea. And oh look, it was. What a fucking surprise.

I just hope we're back in before my six year old is an adult.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 10/02/2025 22:38

Elderly people voted for brexit to stop immigration. Nobody told them it would make it much worse as we could send them back to their point if entry in Europe, which was generally France. Now we give France millions to patrol their borders unsuccessfully and the illegal immigrants can now come unabated. An unmitigated disaster.

I had to sell my property abroad, which I'd had for 20+ years as we could only be there for 90 days, retirement ruined. But Europeans can come to UK for 180 days. WtF!

Pat888 · 10/02/2025 22:39

Theunamedcat · 10/02/2025 17:46

I will actually say we were lied to because it was only supposed to be advisory not binding so an indication of the will of the people I still maintain people voted leave to shock the government not because they thought for one minute that they woukd do it

Yes, that’s why I voted leave -I assumed no Gov would have called a referendum on it if there was a chance we would leave so I was giving the London Gov (who had no interest in the rest of the country) a boot up the arse but …what do you know?millions felt the same.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 10/02/2025 22:40

Twiglets1 · 10/02/2025 20:00

I don't believe that

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Mist of us didn't need a vaccine ... we were isolating for months on end

Yoti · 10/02/2025 22:40

The UK didn’t get the Covid vaccine earlier due to Brexit. The route by which the UK approved it ahead of EU member states would have been been available to the UK even if we had still been in the EU. Even the head of the MHRA, responsible for authorising it, stated that at the time, despite Johnson et al claiming that it was only possible due to Brexit.

Twiglets1 · 10/02/2025 22:41

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 10/02/2025 22:40

Mist of us didn't need a vaccine ... we were isolating for months on end

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Lucky you to be able to isolate for months on end.

Key workers couldn’t do that.

Clavinova · 10/02/2025 22:42

HRTQueen · 10/02/2025 22:32

No there never should have been a referendum

and MP’s had the power to object to this or in the very least force discussions of how the referendum would be managed

every MP that voted to hold the referendum let us down regardless what side they were on its was an utter disgrace

There were a number of debates prior to 2016.

fromthevault · 10/02/2025 22:46

Pat888 · 10/02/2025 22:39

Yes, that’s why I voted leave -I assumed no Gov would have called a referendum on it if there was a chance we would leave so I was giving the London Gov (who had no interest in the rest of the country) a boot up the arse but …what do you know?millions felt the same.

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Oh well done, you. You really showed those pesky liberal metropolitan elites, didn't you?

Fucking hell.

Lonelycrab · 10/02/2025 22:46

Clavinova · 10/02/2025 22:32

Looking at these polls mostly less than 50% actively want to rejoin the EU;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_re-accession_of_the_United_Kingdom_to_the_European_Union

Perhaps that’s because simply rejoining the Eu is not possible anymore and those polled knew this- hence the large neither vote in your example. But keep squinting Clav.

A better question would be… has Brexit been a success? To which a whopping 11% responded yes. Much like the poll on this thread incidentally.

yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51484-how-do-britons-feel-about-brexit-five-years-on

GutsyShark · 10/02/2025 22:49

Lonelycrab · 10/02/2025 20:02

Warm fuzzy feeling about Union Jacks, spitfires, warm ale in a country pub with no foreigners about, that kind of thing😊

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You forgot blue passports. Easily worth £40 billion a year.

ThatMerryReader · 10/02/2025 22:49

We had Brexit thanks to the English men.
Both Scottish and female population all over UK voted remain.

Lonelycrab · 10/02/2025 22:50

GutsyShark · 10/02/2025 22:49

You forgot blue passports. Easily worth £40 billion a year.

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Printed in Poland aren’t they?

Clavinova · 10/02/2025 22:50

Yoti · 10/02/2025 22:40

The UK didn’t get the Covid vaccine earlier due to Brexit. The route by which the UK approved it ahead of EU member states would have been been available to the UK even if we had still been in the EU. Even the head of the MHRA, responsible for authorising it, stated that at the time, despite Johnson et al claiming that it was only possible due to Brexit.

Political pressure to join the EU's vaccine scheme would have been much greater if we had not officially left the EU. Germany and three other countries formed a vaccine alliance - they were persuaded to put that on hold and join the EU's scheme instead - to Germany's detriment as it turned out.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 10/02/2025 22:51

Twiglets1 · 10/02/2025 22:41

Lucky you to be able to isolate for months on end.

Key workers couldn’t do that.

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Retired. Not really lucky, caring for an elderly relative 24/7 who we didn't want to put at risk with carers. I would have been a key worker once upon a time and It would have been far bloody easier.

fromthevault · 10/02/2025 22:52

Clavinova · 10/02/2025 22:32

Looking at these polls mostly less than 50% actively want to rejoin the EU;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_re-accession_of_the_United_Kingdom_to_the_European_Union

Every single one of those polls since April 2022 (bar one with a whopping 1% margin) has 'rejoin' as the most favourable option. Every. Single. One.

GutsyShark · 10/02/2025 22:52

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Unpaidviewer · 10/02/2025 23:05

I didn't vote at the time. There was so much "noise" and although I tried to educate myself i just didn't know which sources to trust. With hindsight I would definitely vote remain.