Vote, Now we are a few years down the line, do you think brexit should have happened ?

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Personally I say no, even though I voted to leave, at least I can look back and say this was a mistake
if the vote was to happen now I would vote remain

my reasons for voting at the time was because, I wanted this country to be the captain of its own country and not to have to follow whatever another country told us too
basically Independence

also we were also lied to that, this would really improve the NHS which was clearly aload of shit looking back

I can at least own my mistake saying voted leave but, I now I think it was the wrong choice

I also think the media are a lot to blame, by making out no way will people vote to leave
And that only racists will vote leave

the whole country was in shock the next morning when the results came out

Don't beat yourself up OP. The public are lied to all the time when elections are approaching. We vote based on lies we're told, we then realise we've been lied to and then eventually re-vote based on more lies and deception.

The very unfortunate difference with the EU referendum was that the leave voters couldn't change their minds once they realised they'd been deceived.

Ah lovely, only the white people are EU citizens.

The surprising diversity of the EU national population in the UK

There are roughly one million people living in the UK under EU freedom of movement rules, who were born outside of the EU [EU citizens plus non-EEA family members].^

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/diversity-eu-national-population-uk/

I think it's debateable whether the UK's Muslim population is projected to grow more outside of the EU than within - not least because of asylum seekers or visa holders who later gain citizenship in the EU. The UK would still have historical and familial connections with countries such as Pakistan whether we are EU members or not, and if you remember Sara Sharif's father married a Polish woman. People from China, Hong Kong and India are more likely to have other faiths and the Nigerian diaspora in the UK are mostly Christian.

Although Covid was before we left the single market.

ODFOx
Lots of things changed. The European Medicines Agency moved out of the UK (4000 scientists either left the country or became unemployed.

I think the European Medicines Agency had around 800/900 staff - 50/60 UK citizens, the rest drawn from the other member states.

How did Brexit change your life? You didn't say.

He is now exporting to Russia!

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/08/why-exporting-endangered-eels-to-russia-makes-sense
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/oct/22/conservationists-criticise-uk-export-of-millions-of-endangered-eels-to-russia

I don't need to tell you. And won't be. I'm just telling you it has

Oh goodness yes!
I'm hugely relieved and pleased we are out of that chaotic, burocratic nightmare.

So much corruption and so little accountability.
The further difficulty getting fully out just reflects how deep in we were without a single vote to ask the people of the UK, do you want closer social and political engagement.
It was sold, as a trading block only.

@Oumsicle thankfully in real life I know plenty who voted for either side and no leave voters regret it, at all. They are very bright people who considered the positives and the negatives and ultimately decided that starting the road to self governance was more important than airline queues

FFS! You're not still banging on about this?

For the slow ones at the back; It was nothing to do with Brexit. We were still effectively under EU rules, and would have been able to do what we did anyway.

Sheesh...

As second largest contributor, just be thankful we are not liable for their 300 billion euro covid debt that needs repaying.

Repayment of the EU’s €300 billion joint borrowing hangs like a cloud over the European Commission’s budget brainstorm.

BRUSSELS — And so it begins again. Negotiations over the EU's next seven-year central budget — typically the most tortuous and contentious of any in Brussels — start here. And this time they're more complicated than ever.
When they meet on Tuesday, the EU's 27 commissioners will fire the opening salvo on sketching out the next spending period, running from 2028 to 2034. Talks on the multiannual financial framework (MFF) usually drag on for years and are often only unblocked by high-stakes, last-minute horse trading by EU leaders.
Deliberations are even more difficult this time around because the Commission’s €300 billion joint debt program to rescue the EU economy after the Covid pandemic is up for repayment from 2028. Without a new plan, that could take a huge chunk — between 15 percent and 20 percent, according to the Commission's estimates — out of the bloc's spending power.

Failure to reach an agreement on own resources could spell trouble for the entire budget.

The default option consists of national governments filling the hole by sending more money to Brussels.

But this would open up a can of worms for the Commission.

Countries from Northern Europe — which have received a relatively small share of the EU’s post-Covid aid — are loath to pay more into the budget, and in exchange for a bigger contribution would likely demand cuts to the EU cash pot, which covers everything from agricultural subsidies to defense.

That trade-off would deal a blow to the Commission and to countries as diverse as France and Poland, which back a bigger central EU budget.

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-debt-bomb-budget-negotiations-brussels-belgium-27-commissioners-mff-veto/

Fair enough but you were quite personal with your comments towards me. Perhaps post some general remarks next time if you don't wish me to reply.

Reply as much as you want and I'll do the same. If I want to.

Farage is looking for true believers.

Looks like we found one for him.

Here's a Brexit connection;

Among the key concerns raised by the UK was the issue of governance, citing the fact that the UK would not be able to be part of the negotiation team, unlike EU member states.

Fair enough.

I cried the morning of the results. It was the worst idea ever and nothing, I mean NOTHING, good has come from it. Forever grateful I got Belgian nationality and my children did too. Freedom to work in the EU, study and move around. Brexit was and continues to be a disaster.

Ah, more non-sequiturs from our resident, er, visitor...

If you are moving around the EU, living and working, why is Brexit still a disaster for you?

Do you honestly not enough of an imagination to think of any other scenarios?

Actually, you sound like a Brexshiteer, so probably not...

Many people actually care about the effects Brexit has on others unlike the 'I am alright Jack so sod anyone else'' posters

It does make you wonder by how much prices would have gone up anyway though, doesn't it? And what the position would be if we'd never had Covid to contend with as well.

The chief downside for me personally has been my inability to find Danish salami in the shops any more.

We've had Brexit and Covid and repercussions of the war in Ukraine, so I find it impossible to tell which of these has influenced the increase in the price of cheese to what extent, and no-one else knows either.

All the extra red tape is a Brexit benefit as is the £27bn lost trade