Vote, Now we are a few years down the line, do you think brexit should have happened ?

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Personally I say no, even though I voted to leave, at least I can look back and say this was a mistake
if the vote was to happen now I would vote remain

my reasons for voting at the time was because, I wanted this country to be the captain of its own country and not to have to follow whatever another country told us too
basically Independence

also we were also lied to that, this would really improve the NHS which was clearly aload of shit looking back

I can at least own my mistake saying voted leave but, I now I think it was the wrong choice

I also think the media are a lot to blame, by making out no way will people vote to leave
And that only racists will vote leave

the whole country was in shock the next morning when the results came out

Well I’m sure if you squint hard enough at the obvious data you’ll convince yourself there was some kind of advantage. I’d probably be clutching at some sort of advantage, any sort of advantage if I still believed in Brexit after it’s been overwhelmingly judged as a failure.

Meanwhile in the real world it’s blatantly clear there were no positives of Brexit, and the vaccine rollout didn’t really have any meaningful effect on the overall outcome.
The public polling showing regret only confirms this, as I’m sure you’re aware.

Devastated then and still now

Hollow laugh that literally the ONLY thing people can try to claim was a benefit was the vaccine .......

It is heartbreaking

Brexit has been an entirely predictable shitshow. A monumental act of national self-harm from which this country will probably never fully recover. We were sold down the river by Cameron, Johnson and that fascist fuck Farage.

Good on you, I guess, for admitting it OP. Unfortunately, it's far too late.

Personally speaking, I'm still fucking furious with Leave voters, but I try not to think about it too much.

But neither me nor @Clavinova have said we still believe in Brexit. In fact, I've expressly said that I voted Remain and think there have been very few benefits to Brexit.

The early access to vaccines in the UK may or may not have had any meaningful effect on the overall outcome. Probably not but then again we don't know what our death rate might have been without it.

But on a personal level, I definitely felt like I did benefit from getting vaccinated early since I was not able to work from home or get furloughed. If nothing else, it made me feel less anxious about going into work.

@Clavinova do you still believe in Brexit?

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The early access to vaccines in the UK may or may not have had any meaningful effect on the overall outcome

Exactly- no one knows. Which is why holding it up as some kind of win doesn’t really work.

I think it was one of the worst days in British history in terms of the devastating impact on us as a nation.

Voted no, still think no.

It was clear that Brexit made no sense and there was no strategy or basic outline to achieve any of the promises made by brexiteers.

I think your post sums up this country. So many people seemed to lack critical analysis skills and just read big headlines in the papers and went with it. It's not entirely disingenuous to say the media spread lies and the government should have done more to inform the public. However, it was very clear that it was a 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' type decision.

@Lonelycrab it was a win that we got access to vaccines earlier. As I have explained, even from a psychological point of view it made those who were in people facing jobs feel safer. And it's pretty obvious it saved some lives but no one has the data to know how many or how many would be enough for you to consider it meaningful.

Except that it wasn't. This has been repeatedly debunked. This was a false claim by that well known liar, one B Johnson. All official documents show this. You may want it to be true, but it simply isn't...

@Twiglets1 well I too was in a people facing job myself before Brexit essentially took away my customer base and forced me out of business and I don’t remember feeling especially special or safe having got the vaccine a month or two before my European equivalents. That was my experience.

Why would I want it to be true?

I know how I felt and I felt safer going into work once vaccinated.

You keep repeating it as though it's true even though you've been told it's not. You've even said you "felt" it was true. I can't imagine any other reason you'd keep repeating this nonsense.

Ok and I respect that was your experience.

Maybe you could also respect that some people did feel safer after getting vaccinated. It wasn't just me, lots of my colleagues who were teachers and Teaching assistants were saying the same thing. It was scary having to work with groups of teenagers while unvaccinated so to us, it was a good thing.

I'm not saying that one thing makes Brexit worthwhile, it doesn't.

I've "been told it's not"?

I'm not a child so tend to form my own opinions not be told what to believe.

I've said I felt safer, that is 100% accurate and no one can deny how I felt.

I actually get more annoyed with the leave voters who come out with "...but we were lied to!...", no you weren't, you just chose not to read both sides and believed daft publicity slogans. I'm not massively political but it really was very easy to just read things from various sources and realise that a majority of the leave propaganda was nonsense. You chose to believe it, you were lied to no more than the remain voters were.

It's a real pain in the arse running a business, even sending stuff to NI is like pulling teeth.
Travelling abroad in Europe becomes deliberately awkward.
There must be some benefits though, please feed them in here because in day to day life I've not spotted any??

I don't need to 'squint' at the data on the vaccine procurement and rollout - your link confirms what I knew all along.

Meanwhile in the real world it’s blatantly clear there were no positives of Brexit

Clearly there are some positives of Brexit - ridiculous to claim there are none.

For a start, France is currently being bullied by the EU over the Mercosur trade deal (the French government are opposed to the deal) - at least our government can make its own decisions.

Who the fuck voted that it wasn’t a mistake??

Where have you been living?

3 July 2020
Ed Davey
The PM must confirm that the UK will take part in the EU vaccine plan. This is no time for silly Brexit games.

10 July 2020
Layla Moran
Walking away from the EU vaccines scheme is putting ideology ahead of public health. You would think that during a pandemic ministers would put political dogma aside. But it seems for this government it’s Brexit over vaccines.

Lonelycrab
@ Clavinova do you still believe in Brexit?

Not without its faults but I would still vote leave if the referendum were held tomorrow. Ask me again in 5 years.

Desperate straw-clutching, even by your usual standards, Clav. Not even bothering to cite your sources anymore. Give it up, hey?

No. It's been an utter disaster. I'm astonished that Brits voted to have their rights removed. Utter stupidity

Wow 😳

Of course we shouldn't have left. So many people voted Brexit because they had that half-arsed image of 'being captain of our own country' without any clear idea of what they even really meant by that. My mum also admits she made a mistake and didn't really understand what she was voting for. There should never have been a referendum.