Woman evicted from NHS hospital ward after being stuck for 18 months

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c897ew0ekp4o

I've been on the receiving of plenty of it over the years and have got heartily sick of being patronised ("and how are we today?") and fobbed off, of ending up in A&E because symptoms were ignored, of being undiagnosed and misdiagnosed and literally instructed to mask by CAMHS, of simple reasonable requests like "please don't use the word 'relax' because my rapist used it" being flat ignored during smear tests.

And no, I don't swear at HCPs, I don't throw things, I don't bed block, or soil myself, or anything else unreasonable. Yet I am not spared the patronising and the fobbing-off that literally every female mental health patient out there experiences.

So forgive me if I'm not brimming with sympathy for HCPs facing a difficult patient as part of doing the job they chose to do.

With regard this women using her MH to manipulate and abuse people, I worked in a shop, decades ago. A customer wasn't getting what she wanted, she then threatened to beat me up because of it and added that she could stab me and nothing would happen to her because she'd just come out of mental hospital so she could do what she wanted.
This woman reminds me a little bit of her.

Yet on this thread you've stated . I've told people, or more accurately screamed loudly at them, that I'm not going to a particular place screaming at staff to get your way?

Well aren't you lovely. After reading some of your replies I do wonder if you would receive better care if you tried being a little more grateful and polite to the HCP who have tried to help you. They are people, yes they chose to do the job but being screamed at is abuse and not something they should have to put up with.

your stating re screaming at staff when things aren't going your way

I said I screamed not to go somewhere because I was terrified. That wasn't at staff, that was a parent in my late teens. Read what I actually type, not what you wish I typed.

see you have you have your eggs in the patients baskets

No, I just happen to have a little more understanding of EUPD and how EUPD patients are treated than most people, having been wrongfully diagnosed with it, incorrectly treated for it, and subjected to the very real stigma that goes with that diagnosis.

am assuming you're on the report and delete train now

no point engaging as I'll end up banned with repeated reports!

I've not reported any posts on this thread. It's dishonest of you to fabricate opinions and courses of actions that you then ascribe to me, when I've not said or done those things and you have added extra words that aren't there to suit your narrative.

Not staff, a parent. Don't make up stuff that isn't there to suit your narrative.

So forgive me if I'm not brimming with sympathy for HCPs facing a difficult patient as part of doing the job they chose to do.
And yet you expect absolute permissive behaviour of staff and acceptance of abusive behaviour from patients? What will happen when at some point no person choses to do a job where the service recipients feel entitled to scream at them, be verbally or physical abusive and get told 'well wa-haey you chose this!'

Thanks to PTSD, female autism presentation, and chronic interaction with CAMHS and adult MHS, my default reaction to the people who can section me is "fawn". Of course, I can't help the eye contact failure and other aspect of autism.

Disabled people shouldn't have to be any more "grateful" than anyone else for healthcare. That's like saying that someone should be grateful to the train driver for doing his paid job driving the train.

Where did I say that, or anything like it? Really said it, not "extra words from your head" "said" it?

That's like saying that someone should be grateful to the train driver for doing his paid job driving the train.

I am grateful to the train driver. It’s not a job I’d want to do and I don’t want to have to drive to work. So why wouldn’t I be grateful?

I am grateful and I think most people are. Everyone deserves respect. Why shouldn't you be grateful to train drivers, fast food workers, bin men etc? You speak as if everyone owes you.

They came up with a solution many months ago and she refused it, that's why they had to go to such extreme lengths as to evict her. All around it obvious she's one of the many people who care in the community fails but like with so many initiatives, they (the government) thinks that one size fits all when in reality there's many people that require long term residential care for which the contract the private sector simply doesn't work, their needs are too complex or don't fit the right criteria for the home, especially under 65's

I’m so sorry you had to witness that as a patient on a ward with her. What a vile disgusting woman.

That's fair then: you're not holding disabled people to a higher standard than everyone else. It's also possible that we have differing ideas of what "grateful" means in this context.

I'll try to explain:

I'm glad that the train driver is driving the train because I could not travel otherwise. But I'm not not feeling pressured to feel like I'm a burden on the train driver.

Going back to when I was a child, pre-autism-diagnosis, pre-mental-health-crisis, I went on a boat trip with my dad. There was a lady in one of those motorised wheelchairs and she was boarded first, assisted by the crew. She apologised to the rest of the queue as she went past for making us wait to board. I remember thinking back then "Why is she apologising? She never asked to be disabled and if she goes on first she can't get forgotten about and left behind. It doesn't hurt us to wait."

This is what I mean by disabled people being expected to be "grateful": the apologising for exercising our rights, the effusive thanks to people delivering our rights as part of their jobs, the pressure to conform to what our parents want us to be as the price for their continued support when they chose to bring us into the world₹, and in many cases apologising for even existing, such as by taking up the wheelchair space on the bus. A lot of people expect this fawning gratitude from us and they have some nasty names for us when we don't deliver it.

So when someone suggests that I or anyone else disabled might try being a little more grateful, well, that really pushes my buttons.

₹ Which is one of the reasons why I think that parents shouldn't be expected to be responsible for their adult disabled children, to take away that element of coercion.

She should have been returned to the care facility Sue came from, and alternative housing found from there. There was no change to her care requirements post the treatment for the cellulitis- the place Sue lived effectively dumped her on the NHS and saw a way to get her out. They (NHS/ council) decided 121 years places weren't suitable, and only one was. She had emotionally objections to that one and said no, they said tough tits. No, she shouldn't be remaining in an NHS ward for that long, but she was given very little choices (none) I don't doubt she is difficult to deal with (reading between the lines) but a second choice should have been offered, and clearly she was dumped into her current situation if 121 other places weren't suitable.

I am grateful to train drivers for doing their job, I also always thank the bus driver.

I thank the bus driver too. That's not the kind of "grateful" I meant.

She should have been returned to the care facility Sue came from

Exactly.

I agree. I don’t think we are doing people any favours by enabling them. Yes she’s vulnerable but so are the literally hundreds of people that could have used that bed to get better. She should have been evicted a long time ago.

The thing is she will be back in in no time because carers are poorly paid and will refuse to deal with someone behaving in the manner described by @Gastore and frankly you can’t blame them . So it will be a constant back and forth in an ambulance wasting A&E time .

No healthcare professional chooses the job of caring for patients under these conditions.There has no doubt been a high turnover of staff in this ward during the 18 months.Personally as a nurse I had looked at Matron, put in my resignation and waved goodbye.

Very weird story.

"She uses a wheelchair and needs help with all her personal care. She has also been diagnosed with an emotionally unstable personality disorder."

So she's happy for her mental health condition to be disclosed but we're jot told why, at 35, she was so physically unwell she needs a wheelchair and to live in a nursing home and full time carers?

What is actually physically wrong with her? Surely this is pertinent to the article and it's pointless to publish it without this information.

I disagree. I think that a lot of posters agree that the woman clearly has severe mental health issues and needs support.

The question is, if she was deemed to have capacity to make her own choices, why does that make her exempt from taking personal responsibility for them?

This woman is beyond disgusting .
No way should she be on a normal ward with people who are trying to recover.

No wonder none of the care homes wanted to touch her with a barge pole.

” We can’t meet her needs”

Why should nursing and care staff have to put up with this revolting behaviour, probably on minimum wage?

It’s grotesque.

Why should nursing and care staff have to put up with this revolting behaviour, probably on minimum wage?

All carers should get paid a lot more than minimum wage, that's for sure.