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NameChangedForThis1985 · 2025-01-30T17:05:42+00:00

Just watched his press conference in absolute disbelief. He's just blamed the air traffic controllers as apparently under the Biden administration they recruited people into the role who weren't intellectually capable. He actually blames diversity criteria and basically box ticking.... 'hiring people with severe intellectual and psychiatric disabilities' - that's a direct quote. As someone with ASD, anxiety and depression who works in a high level, highly skilled role, I am angry on behalf of anyone like me. The man is a dangerous liar. (edited by MNHQ)

cakeorwine · 30/01/2025 21:19

Atlasvue · 30/01/2025 21:19

No. It was specifically for Air Traffic Controllers . Read the website page:

‘The FAA will enroll up to 20 people in the Aviation Development Program. They will train for up to one year at 10 Air Route Traffic Control Centers throughout the U.S. The following facilities will participate in the pilot: Minneapolis, Minn., Cleveland, Ohio, Boston, Mass., Denver, Colo., Fort Worth, Texas, Jacksonville, Fla., Seattle, Wash., Memphis, Tenn., Kansas City, Kan., and Salt Lake City, Utah.
The candidates in this program will receive the same rigorous consideration in terms of aptitude, medical and security qualifications as those individuals considered for a standard public opening for air traffic controller jobs. Participants in the program will receive up to one year of experience in an Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC) with the potential to be appointed to a temporary ATCS position at the FAA Academy.

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he candidates in this program will receive the same rigorous consideration in terms of aptitude, medical and security qualifications as those individuals considered for a standard public opening for air traffic controller jobs. Participants in the program will receive up to one year of experience in an Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC) with the potential to be appointed to a temporary ATCS position at the FAA Academy.

MeTooOverHere · 30/01/2025 21:19

XelaM · 30/01/2025 17:14

Remember the case of the Swiss air traffic controller who was killed by the father who lost his entire family in the Überlingen mid-air collision?

I despise Trump, but air traffic controller is not a job for anyone with mental health issues. Sorry. The consequences of any mistake are just too catastrophic.

What makes you think they would hire someone who can't do the job though? And what makes you think the controllers are not professionally supervised so any such looming issues are not detected?

Donttellempike · 30/01/2025 21:19

Mrsdyna · 30/01/2025 21:15

Whatever makes you feel smart.

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Pointy is very smart. Are you 12 ?

AmateurNoun · 30/01/2025 21:19

cardibach · 30/01/2025 21:14

Did anyone not meet the requirements for science education then? I couldn’t see any evidence of that in the article.

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You think it's fine that they introduced a recruitment test for air traffic controllers which penalised people who said that their favourite subject at school was science?

They also gave higher marks to people who said they had a problem with authority.

The tests were brought in with the intention of increasing diversity and also the right answers to these tests were apparently leaked to certain bodies.

This isn't "let's use the fact that a candidate has an underrepresented characteristic as a tie breaker". This is deeply messed up.

Mrsdyna · 30/01/2025 21:20

Thatissimplyuntrue · 30/01/2025 21:17

It’s an excellent question. How do you think it should be decided in that scenario?

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Do you think if you keep asking that I'll be browbeaten into answering?

I'll admit that I thought it was an unintelligent question that didn't require an answer, and I stand by that.

I'm sorry if that irks you but that's my decision.

Atlasvue · 30/01/2025 21:20

AwardGiselePelicotTheNobelPeacePrize · 30/01/2025 21:18

looks like you need to read your own link allll the way through

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I’ve just quoted. Read again.

Lilactimes · 30/01/2025 21:20

Lonelycrab · 30/01/2025 20:37

Trump really is an utter piece of shit.

This is the man who thought a valid response to covid was to drink bleach, and now he’s wading in on this with his stupid opinion while the poor relatives of those killed are still in shock.

Attempting to make political capital at a time like this. Honestly, anyone who voted for this deranged idiot I hope you’re hanging your head in shame. To think we’ve got four more years of having to listen to this chump is depressing beyond belief.

He has no grace, or style and he talks gibberish. He causes tension at the most saddest situations when he should be comforting and soothing.
He is the worst type of man.

SpidersAreShitheads · 30/01/2025 21:20

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MeTooOverHere · 30/01/2025 21:20

Lilifer · 30/01/2025 17:07

Do you think people with "severe intellectual and psychiatric disabilities" should be air traffic controllers?

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Who says they are? Trump? The man who through his last Presidency golfed instead of reading briefing papers.

cardibach · 30/01/2025 21:20

Atlasvue · 30/01/2025 21:19

No. It was specifically for Air Traffic Controllers . Read the website page:

‘The FAA will enroll up to 20 people in the Aviation Development Program. They will train for up to one year at 10 Air Route Traffic Control Centers throughout the U.S. The following facilities will participate in the pilot: Minneapolis, Minn., Cleveland, Ohio, Boston, Mass., Denver, Colo., Fort Worth, Texas, Jacksonville, Fla., Seattle, Wash., Memphis, Tenn., Kansas City, Kan., and Salt Lake City, Utah.
The candidates in this program will receive the same rigorous consideration in terms of aptitude, medical and security qualifications as those individuals considered for a standard public opening for air traffic controller jobs. Participants in the program will receive up to one year of experience in an Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC) with the potential to be appointed to a temporary ATCS position at the FAA Academy.

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From the quote The candidates in this program will receive the same rigorous consideration in terms of aptitude, medical and security qualifications as those individuals considered for a standard public opening for air traffic controller jobs

cakeorwine · 30/01/2025 21:21

Atlasvue · 30/01/2025 21:20

I’ve just quoted. Read again.

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he candidates in this program will receive the same rigorous consideration in terms of aptitude, medical and security qualifications as those individuals considered for a standard public opening for air traffic controller jobs. Participants in the program will receive up to one year of experience in an Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC) with the potential to be appointed to a temporary ATCS position at the FAA Academy.

What do you think the bold bit means?

nearlylovemyusername · 30/01/2025 21:21

AmateurNoun · 30/01/2025 20:19

Trump is an idiot for saying something before all the facts are established.

But also the FAA does seem to have gone for some dodgy DEI recruitment targets. The best that Snopes can say is that the targets have been around for a few years - they don't debunk that they exist.
www.snopes.com/news/2024/01/15/faa-dei-initiatives/

There are also those issues with the biographical questionnaire that are covered by Tracing Woodgrains, taken from public court records in the Brigida v Buttigieg lawsuit (which I understand is ongoing).

So there may be something to this but Trump is still an idiot 🤷‍♀️

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this is so insane, but actually google doesn't fully reject the idea of blind pilots Blind 21-Year-Old to Pilot a Plane to Washington, D.C. | Foundation for Blind Children

Atlasvue · 30/01/2025 21:21

cakeorwine · 30/01/2025 21:19

he candidates in this program will receive the same rigorous consideration in terms of aptitude, medical and security qualifications as those individuals considered for a standard public opening for air traffic controller jobs. Participants in the program will receive up to one year of experience in an Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC) with the potential to be appointed to a temporary ATCS position at the FAA Academy.

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Yes. So it’s for Air Traffic Controller jobs, those with targeted disabilities. That’s what the programme was for.

cakeorwine · 30/01/2025 21:23

Atlasvue · 30/01/2025 21:21

Yes. So it’s for Air Traffic Controller jobs, those with targeted disabilities. That’s what the programme was for.

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The candidates in this program will receive the same rigorous consideration in terms of aptitude, medical and security qualifications as those individuals considered for a standard public opening for air traffic controller jobs. Participants in the program will receive up to one year of experience in an Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC) with the potential to be appointed to a temporary ATCS position at the FAA Academy.

The same APTITUDE, MEDICAL and security qualifications.

And what do you think targetted disabilities means?

AwardGiselePelicotTheNobelPeacePrize · 30/01/2025 21:23

nearlylovemyusername · 30/01/2025 21:21

this is so insane, but actually google doesn't fully reject the idea of blind pilots Blind 21-Year-Old to Pilot a Plane to Washington, D.C. | Foundation for Blind Children

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On World Sight Day in October, Kaiya will fly beside, a licensed pilot and certified flight instructor, from Phoenix, Ariz. to Washington, D.C in a Cessna aircraft provided by Leopard Aviation.

Not pilot a fucking commercial jumbo jet full of passengers solo.

Blanca87 · 30/01/2025 21:23

Lilifer · 30/01/2025 17:07

Do you think people with "severe intellectual and psychiatric disabilities" should be air traffic controllers?

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👆24 carrot, fud, right there🥴.

WinterMorn · 30/01/2025 21:24

PointsSouth · 30/01/2025 17:50

....er....the incredibly rare instance of this kind of thing?

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So, you know this was a human error situation caused by a diversity hire’ do you? Please, do tell
me how you are in possession of this knowledge.

Thatissimplyuntrue · 30/01/2025 21:24

Atlasvue · 30/01/2025 21:15

Look at the FAA website page. It’s their website, it was their programme launched in 2019.

So fact checked ✔️

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The policy was real and is on their website - no one is denying that.

BUT;

Only those able to do the job would be hired. It’s not like they decided to just put a cat in charge because they are under represented.
It has been around for a long time, including during Trumps first term so not a Biden administration thing.
It’s not just air traffic control and pilot jobs the FAA have. The policy covered lots of roles. Of course if you have visual impairment the pilot isn’t a good fit but there will be plenty of other roles the visual impairment wouldn’t impact on.

Check it out on Snopes. Trump has misrepresented it for his own gain. Probably to stop the angry baying mob from checking out his potential role in it.

Lilactimes · 30/01/2025 21:24

SpidersAreShitheads · 30/01/2025 20:35

Honestly, every time I think we've reached the bottom, I discover there's a whole new depth of shit-talking that Trump and his fanbase can descend to.

The idea that the FAA has been recruiting blind or visually impaired pilots is genuinely hilarious. I can't quite wrap my head around the fact that people actually believe this nonsense.

So to be clear:

An FAA DEI drive doesn't mean just pilots - their website makes it clear that it also involves admin, non-critical jobs.

Visually impaired also covers those with glasses - and only approves them for hire if their corrected vision is as good as someone who doesn't need glasses.

The FAA have admitted they have a DEI focus - but this is in ADDITION to the rigorous requirements for the job. So let's say they have five candidates that all meet the high standards, one of those might have DEI characteristics so may be hired. That's a DEI hire. But they're only hired because they already meet the requirements of the job. They're not hiring John from the mailroom to fly planes, just because he's only got one leg.

Also, don't you think that perhaps there would be planes crashing all over the place in the US if unqualified, unsuitable DEI hires were running air traffic control?!

And aside from all of this nonsense, Trump had absolutely no place trying to score political points out of people's grief, especially when the deaths have literally just happened. As it stands, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that DEI had anything to do with the crash. Trump suggesting that it was the cause is an irresponsible, morally repugnant thing to say.

The man is a fucking vulture.

I totally totally agree with you.

Atlasvue · 30/01/2025 21:24

cakeorwine · 30/01/2025 21:21

he candidates in this program will receive the same rigorous consideration in terms of aptitude, medical and security qualifications as those individuals considered for a standard public opening for air traffic controller jobs. Participants in the program will receive up to one year of experience in an Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC) with the potential to be appointed to a temporary ATCS position at the FAA Academy.

What do you think the bold bit means?

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It means that those with targeted disabilities, were put through a programme for air traffic controller jobs.

It also says they will get training, but that doesn’t negate that fact that the were specifically looking for people with intellectual disabilities etc

cakeorwine · 30/01/2025 21:26

Atlasvue · 30/01/2025 21:24

It means that those with targeted disabilities, were put through a programme for air traffic controller jobs.

It also says they will get training, but that doesn’t negate that fact that the were specifically looking for people with intellectual disabilities etc

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It also says that they have to reach the same medical and aptitude ability as other people.

Where do you get "intellectual disabiliites from?"

Do you have a problem with that?

cardibach · 30/01/2025 21:26

AmateurNoun · 30/01/2025 21:19

You think it's fine that they introduced a recruitment test for air traffic controllers which penalised people who said that their favourite subject at school was science?

They also gave higher marks to people who said they had a problem with authority.

The tests were brought in with the intention of increasing diversity and also the right answers to these tests were apparently leaked to certain bodies.

This isn't "let's use the fact that a candidate has an underrepresented characteristic as a tie breaker". This is deeply messed up.

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Presumably leaked to everyone? There are lots of reasons you might have questions like that. Not all of them suggest dumbing down.

Bayonetlightbulb · 30/01/2025 21:26

Livelovebehappy · 30/01/2025 17:30

And you know this how? During his statement he has mentioned that he is aware of information that he will bring to peoples’ attention when appropriate. I do know that a lot of people are in jobs due to diversity and inclusion that might not be the best, due to fulfilling quotas. That does happen, and I believe people should be employed on merit, whatever their sex, race or disability. This isn’t too much of an issue with admin jobs, but would be a big problem if done at this sort of level where safety should be the priority and not fulfilling quotas. I guess we will see as it starts to unfold….

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Yes, because everything he says is true. I have heard more lies from this man than I have collectively heard from everyone I have come across for my whole life. I wouldn't trust that 'he is aware of information that he will bring to peoples’ attention when appropriate'- what a load of nonsense.
He is an incoherent giant toddler

goodironingday · 30/01/2025 21:27

Afraidofhimrightnow · 30/01/2025 21:14

But the policy refers to recruitment of staff not the controllers themselves. So presumably people like cleaners, back office etc. Not the actual ATC.

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The evidence, looking at the articles with comments from relevant professionals, indicates that (a) there should not be discrimination in relation to any candidates by virtue solely of any factor; but that (b) the DEI policy as was being proposed was completely inappropriate for the medical and aviation fields, as it did not put passenger or patient safety first, and it should have. So, @NameChangedForThis1985 please don't think that anyone is suggesting that disabilities or MH or anything else should preclude candidates who are able for the role, but that these particular DEI policies were inappropriate and dangerous, is what the reports and professional commentators were saying (I think).

Atlasvue · 30/01/2025 21:27

Thatissimplyuntrue · 30/01/2025 21:24

The policy was real and is on their website - no one is denying that.

BUT;

Only those able to do the job would be hired. It’s not like they decided to just put a cat in charge because they are under represented.
It has been around for a long time, including during Trumps first term so not a Biden administration thing.
It’s not just air traffic control and pilot jobs the FAA have. The policy covered lots of roles. Of course if you have visual impairment the pilot isn’t a good fit but there will be plenty of other roles the visual impairment wouldn’t impact on.

Check it out on Snopes. Trump has misrepresented it for his own gain. Probably to stop the angry baying mob from checking out his potential role in it.

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The point is they were targeting those with serious disabilities, including intellectual impairment, paralysis etc for Air Traffic Controller jobs.

Stop trying to justify this is a normal practice for an extremely taxing, challenging, stressful job. It’s not.