Pronouns at work/being gender critical at work etc

[Leafstamp]

If you are a woman and have your pronouns in your email signature at work, can I ask why?

If you haven't given it much thought, are you open to being persuaded that, albeit in a small way, this practice of declaring pronouns is contributing to a movement that harms women, children and LGB people?

Equally, if you are already clued up on this and consider yourself a sex realist/gender critical are you able to be open about this at work and challenge instances were gender identity ideology is being unduly promoted? Do you find that others agree with you?

I work in a small company where none of this goes on, so I am curious.

I don't have an issue with people using them but I don't believe it should be compelled in any way. I don't think that it is a forced thing in most workplaces.

A coherent explanation of what a trans persons is would be helpful too @fingertraps

I won’t be replying to any of your dog whistle comments, so quit @ ing me.

At my previous company there was a request for everyone to add it to their auto signature. I chose not to add it, I don’t care what others do but I don’t feel the need to add that I am a she/her to my communications.

I would never use them. I see them as a grubby sort of misogynistic shorthand for closing down free speech, obliterating reality, gaslighting and downright bullying. My heart sinks whenever I see them used.

What a shock 😂

Actual shitty things are happening to women and girls, and this whiny mess is what you focus on. It's pathetic, truly. Please go and clutch your terven pearls elsewhere in the assigned section, instead of inflicting it on others. You're insufferable.

Yes, if I had an androgenous name, I wouldn't ever put pronouns or a title (ms or whatever) in an email signature. I don't see any benefit of doing that at all.

On another thread, someone posted that their employer automatically added it to the signature without asking anyone what their preferences are. It made me laugh, the stupidity and irony.

I don’t, partly because I think it forces people to ‘out’ themselves even if they don’t want to but if other people want to do it, it’s no skin off my nose.

I don't have pronouns in my signature. I was a tomboyish girl growing up who might have been victim to ideology, sure.

But I really, really don't like your tone OP. You have a strong opinion, but you present a binary in your OP whereby either people have thought about it and agree with you, or they've not thought about it at all.

One thing is clear to me as a student of history is that people have had different conceptions of gender than male/female binary for millennia and across different cultures. That says to me that there's something we need to understand there.

Yeah men trampling over women rights by taking sporting places and going into spaces not meant for them are really fucking shitty. Made more shitty by handmaids buoying them up and prioritising their feelings over the safety of women and girls.

So no, this topic can be posted anywhere as it's important. If the hard of thinking, who can never give a coherent, intelligent argument as to why men can be allowed do this because they say so, don't like or get that, tough.

Most companies introduced this for no other reason than to gain Stonewall points.

I would not put mine ANYWHERE and would kick up a right stink if anyone asked me to.

Yes, one of those shitty things is making female victims of male violence refer to their abuser “she” or “her” in court or elsewhere.

Various other shitty things start with men dictating their pronouns as she/her at work and expecting women to obey.

I don’t, I work in a really small company where none of this has been addressed so it’s irrelevant.

The only emails I get that seem to include pronouns tend to be from museums. I assume this is to make it more inclusive? Some also add the way to read their names.

I may have my opinions on it but it’s a fact as it stands that pronouns are an issue so really, there’s nothing to lose by adding them to the signature.

Can I ask you to clarify about the Q=Queer bit of your post, I mean that sincerely, did it not always or something?

I just ignore all of it, and I reject the term 'gender critical'. I'm gender 'not interested'.

You don’t like my tone, hilarious!

By all means as a history student you can study what people have thought about ‘gender’, (aka stereotypes) but I think you’ll find that we’ve known the difference between men and women for quite some time. Procreation kinda relies on it.

Science (albeit undiscovered in some areas such as chromosomal abnormalities until certain points in history) has known the difference between the sexes since forever.

Sure, can you quote the post and re-word your question as I think you might have missed a word out?

Yes, however would we know she was a woman if she didn't have pronouns in her email signature?

@Leafstamp

"Radical trans ideology (and ideas stemming from "Q = Queer") is actually really homophobic, so people have got it wrong if they think they are supporting LGB people when declaring pronouns."

I thought it was in your OP but was actually your reply to someone else early in thread, sorry I don't know how to copy the whole thing.

It's not so helpful of people who are male have "she/her" in their email signature or anyone has "they/them" though, is it? At best it gives you no useful information, at worst it's actively misleading.

Pathetic. I imagine if you were actually hit with genuine worries outside of pronouns you'd probably scream and cry and throw up.

Your fragility is insulting to women and girls.

They have this at my work - I refuse point blank to put these daft pronouns at the end of my signature - the world has gone mad!

We are. Men pretending to be women, the gaslighting, and going into spaces they shouldn't riding roughshod over women's rights. Keep up.