Pronouns at work/being gender critical at work etc

[Leafstamp]

If you are a woman and have your pronouns in your email signature at work, can I ask why?

If you haven't given it much thought, are you open to being persuaded that, albeit in a small way, this practice of declaring pronouns is contributing to a movement that harms women, children and LGB people?

Equally, if you are already clued up on this and consider yourself a sex realist/gender critical are you able to be open about this at work and challenge instances were gender identity ideology is being unduly promoted? Do you find that others agree with you?

I work in a small company where none of this goes on, so I am curious.

I do not, and will never, display my pronouns in my email signature.

I’m GC but I don’t discuss this at work.

What exactly is a traitor to their sex other than just people who do things you don't agree with

Doing something that harms other members of your own sex in order to curry favour with members of the opposite sex?

@MissScarletInTheBallroom gave an accurate answer.

Women who are traitors to their sex are the ones who have argued for, written, published and enacted policies that include men in the category of women.

No, I don't. I can understand being proud of using your female body to bring children into the world, but not of being female per se.

I thought you didn't want to interact with me.

I don't see the point of unearned honorifics. Doctor, Professor, and Private all make sense because they are earned. For the rest of us, Firstname Surname would suffice.

I was asked to and I said no. I said people can just assume I'm a woman.

What makes me laugh about the whole pronoun issue, is that from all my years of experience with various schools, female teachers routinely get addressed / referred to using the wrong title. Mrs instead of Ms, Miss instead of Mrs, etc.

This is done by pupils, parents, even other staff. Even when corrected, people don't remember, or make the effort to know it's meant to be "Mrs Smith" instead of "Miss Smith" - habits die hard, and certain combinations roll off the tongue. And guess what, beyond an eyeroll perhaps, the mis-titled women forget it and get on with their day.

Which makes it even more unlikely that many people will remember/ be able to bring to mind when to use they/ them pronouns or opposite-sex pronouns for someone.

The vast majority of people don't have a big reaction to people getting it wrong.

There's this endless narrative on here of being terrified of getting it wrong etc etc, when actually that's not the case

But that point will always be ignored when posted post videos of the extremist folk in America instead of uou know, normal lived experience.

My points really are that 1) it's really hard for most people to remember the right title for each individual particularly in spontaneous speech, and 2) people cheerfully keep getting women's titles wrong and don't really give a shit, even if women find it offensive. I think it's quite an interesting comparison.

Who cheerfully gets women's titles wrong?

But 'neither' isn't an option.

It's all very petulant. Like a small child crossing their arms and saying 'not telling you'.

It is to them

Ironic you speak of petulance

Children and parents mostly. Even if it's their own class teacher. Generally they seem to go with young woman = Miss, older woman = Mrs, and aren't bothered / don't remember for the next time

Why?

Here is a bowl of 100 M&Ms. One is inoculated with E Coli and will give you the shits. The rest are fine.

Do you take the risk of eating even one?

I'm pretty sure I asked you yesterday to stop posting to me because of your deliberate attempts to bait.

No, they tend to go with miss for any female teacher regardless of who they are.

Because that's exactly what's at play by people who refuse to use or accept pronouns.

I do use pronouns. I just don't feel the need to state them or force other people to use made up ones.

It's not petulance, it's standing up for the status quo regarding how we address each other. Some people are trying to enforce change, some of us aren't buying it.

Nobody's asking you to force anybody else

You misunderstand.

The 'state your pronouns', 'call me them/they' people have been trying (and failing) to force us to state our pronouns at work for years.

I don't request anyone to ignore their learnt grammar, so why do people ask it of me?

I won't, and will never, state my pronouns at the bottom of an email.
It's stupid.

I don't either. I'm not missing the point you just aren't making one. You called people who want to use Mx petulant. I disagree. That's all there is to it.

Pretending you are of neither male nor female sex is petulant.
There is absolutely no need for it.
Using 'Mx' is being a sulky 'I'm not telling you' petulant child.

My point is - made up, or deliberately misleading, pronouns are pointless.

Hence I will never put them on my emails as it perpetuates this pointless use of made up/misleading pronouns by people who think everyone else gives a shit.

You missed 'in my opinion'