Pronouns at work/being gender critical at work etc

[Leafstamp]

If you are a woman and have your pronouns in your email signature at work, can I ask why?

If you haven't given it much thought, are you open to being persuaded that, albeit in a small way, this practice of declaring pronouns is contributing to a movement that harms women, children and LGB people?

Equally, if you are already clued up on this and consider yourself a sex realist/gender critical are you able to be open about this at work and challenge instances were gender identity ideology is being unduly promoted? Do you find that others agree with you?

I work in a small company where none of this goes on, so I am curious.

I don't think it takes much working out why someone in an organisation would want people to know who she was!

Another claim of a disadvantage, this time for being female.

These are really sweeping views.

@Nn9011 everyone who was ever born was either male or female. The people with chromosomal abnormalities are either male or female. We do all fit into one or other (and only one) of those boxes.

I recommend reading up if you did not already know this.

Neither will the comment I was responding to but hey ho. Can’t win them all.

The idea the women are being disadvantaged by gender affirming care/policies is nonsense perpetuated by those who want to distract from the main issues in society.

Tell that to the women sexually assaulted in prison by Karen White.

I'd recommend you doing research because this really isn't true. Whilst it's only a minority of people who are truly intersex, it's on the NHS's own website that sometimes doctors won't even know what sex to classify babies and will need to do more tests to then decide what to register the child as. We like neat categories of male or female, eventually we can narrow it down to decide how we're going to classify someone but that's still very much a guess that is wrong in some cases.

And the results of the test they carry out tell them what the sex is

I'm not sure that was a result of an email signature.

Not always. There's been many cases where doctors have carried out surgeries to assign sex on babies who then as adults realise they've been assigned the wrong sex. There are also requirements for gender affirming care even for them to be able to match the assigned sex at birth. It really isn't black and white.

Pronouns show you are pleading allegiance to such an ideology. An ideology that puts men like Karen White into a women’s prison.
It shouldn’t be difficult to understand but clearly it is to some.

Another claim of a disadvantage, this time for being female.

Do you know why Stephanie Shirley famously signed her name as "Steve" on letters? Nothing has changed since then. Absolutely nothing.

Because a lot of big companies have had copious amount of diversity training and it was suggested we all do this.

What cases?

In the past yes amny babies were misidentified and in some cases surgery was unnecessary carried out.

That doesn't mean that the sex of babies with DSDs cannot be accurately determined if the correct tests are undertaken
The fact that some DSDs are still missed at birth stoll doesn't change the fact that the baby's sex could have been determined if the correct tests had been carried out.

And yet the Russian soldiers marching into Ukraine knew who the women were when looking for victims to genocidally mass rape...

“Truly intersex”

What does that mean?

As I’ve said, humans are either male or female, there is no third or “in between” sex.

Jeez the irony of the word ‘fragility’ when what you are defending is fragility on steroids.

The idea that we are all supposed to universally declare our pronouns to collude and pander to some impossible fantasy. Wtf has this got to do with corporate life, or actually anything?

That assumes everyone has one of those titles.

Dr isn’t going to tell you much…

Oh I don't know let me think, Maybe so I can use the right pronouns when speaking about them in the third person ?????

Your logic is seriously flawed and crumbles under scrutiny

Sometimes I’d prefer people not to make a decision about how to interact with me based on whether I’m a he/she. There’s plenty of evidence that women face all sorts of discrimination in the workplace, and not drawing attention to my gender/sex is an intentional choice for me. I had this exact conversation with two female colleagues yesterday, who totally got it.

I studied it along time ago as part of my psychology degree so forgive me if I don't have specific studies to reference off hand but here is an article from Humans Rights Watch about the barbarity of treatment currently for children who are intersex. They do mainly focus on the US although historically we have been the same, getting slightly better in past years although likely much progress has been undone by recent decisions.
There's also an article below of one intersex women explaining her experience of being forced to live as a boy. https://www.hrw.org/report/2017/07/25/i-want-be-nature-made-me/medically-unnecessary-surgeries-intersex-children-us

https://www.gendergp.com/growing-up-intersex/

I'd rather people actually knew who I was when I did my job, personally.

straight, middle aged woman here in a corporate job. I have mine in my email, mainly to show support and it sort of just makes it less awkward for those who don’t have the pronouns you’d assume but also I think by having them anyway and for it to be the norm, it doesn’t make those whose pronouns aren’t what you’d assume feel less out of place if that makes sense

Thanks, I’ll take a look.

Using the right pronouns is harming women and girls. Apparently.

One - absolutely irrelevant to anything I've said and two - rape is sadly and disgustingly used as a method of war particularly against women yes but it can happen anyone not just women.