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Films that would not be made now

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Samcro · 28/12/2024 22:00

I know it’s a topic that has been done before.
but what film do you think would not be made now and why?
mine is, every which way but loose.
yep the Clint Eastwood film with the orangutan

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Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 15:24

Nanny0gg · 29/12/2024 13:36

I am not commenting on CSE

But you do realise the story is based in the 1940s

When there was - racism, misogyny and sexism

What would you expect?

And yet the song this poster is quoting has nothing to do with any of that. It’s about love that transcends all of it.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 15:25

Ihopeyouhavent · 29/12/2024 11:18

This thread makes me sad 😿

It makes me angry. Not least for the lack of context and ignorant presumption.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 29/12/2024 15:26

Honestly, just because something is depicted on screen or stage, or in a book, it does not imply approval by the creator. Often very much the opposite — it is inviting us to question our own responses, values, and beliefs — and perhaps to change them.

Racism, sexism, violence, paedophilia, abuses of power, etc. are all still going on. Wokeness hasn’t obliterated them. But it can help us to identify them and respond appropriately when we see them in real life, including understanding who the real enemies are.

The things I really hate are the Downton Abbey style historical rewrites where the upper classes are all so very nice and liberal and treat their servants so well.

But the only films I think really wouldn’t be made today are (as a PP mentioned) the old-style ‘cowboys and Indians’ westerns and unthinking blacking-up. Tropic Thunder, as I recall, was a satire which questioned blacking up and portraying people with disabilities on screen.

Pretty Woman was awful, with the exception of the wish-fulfilment shopping scene. I’m sure many, many people saw it for what it was at the time. But Julia Roberts was luminous in it — much as Nicole Kidman was when she portrayed a prostitute in Moulin Rouge. It’s all very complicated.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 15:28

Alondra · 29/12/2024 06:35

Not a film, a TV series - MASH.

Reasons please ?

MerryMaker · 29/12/2024 16:18

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 15:22

The song ‘Younger than Springtime’ has nothing whatever to do with CSE. The musical South Pacific is about love that happens despite racial separation. In the move, Lieutenant Cable falls in love with Liat, the daughter of Bloody Mary, on the island of Bali H'ai. The song is performed in the first act when Cable confesses his love for Liat after spending a passionate night together, and the song shows that love can happen regardless of the racial separation that was prevalent in America at the time.

There is so much utter ignorance and assumption on this thread, it’s shocking.

Edited

This thread is explaining to me some aspects of cancel culture

Printedword · 29/12/2024 16:18

Nanny0gg · 29/12/2024 12:09

So what would be used instead?

Well the trailer makes it seem like a colleague excuses a small mistake another colleague has made by announcing to a customer/member of the public that they 'are autistic'. Would you do that?

Plus making a trailer repeatedly shown every ad break with this - hopefully - out of context announcement is insensitive

Printedword · 29/12/2024 16:38

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 15:28

Reasons please ?

Both the film and the tv series are really sexist in relation to the female characters. I can personally explain it away with being of its time and perhaps quite a bit of an accurate portrayal but younger family members feel uncomfortable

CaptainMyCaptain · 29/12/2024 16:42

Printedword · 29/12/2024 16:18

Well the trailer makes it seem like a colleague excuses a small mistake another colleague has made by announcing to a customer/member of the public that they 'are autistic'. Would you do that?

Plus making a trailer repeatedly shown every ad break with this - hopefully - out of context announcement is insensitive

It would be wrong to say that to a member of the public but the term is definitely still in use as a diagnosis.

Printedword · 29/12/2024 17:00

CaptainMyCaptain · 29/12/2024 16:42

It would be wrong to say that to a member of the public but the term is definitely still in use as a diagnosis.

Yes, it can be but - as you say - it's not something you'd announce in the workplace to a member of the public and you probably wouldn't just randomly talk about it to other colleagues either

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 17:17

Printedword · 29/12/2024 16:38

Both the film and the tv series are really sexist in relation to the female characters. I can personally explain it away with being of its time and perhaps quite a bit of an accurate portrayal but younger family members feel uncomfortable

They were of their time, as you say. But the problem with it making the younger members of the family feel uncomfortable is possibly what concerns me most. If all we consume by way of entertainment is stuff that doesn’t challenge us, and we disregard the rest, where does that leave us ? The future will just be bland.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 17:19

MerryMaker · 29/12/2024 16:18

This thread is explaining to me some aspects of cancel culture

Some posts are very concerning.

Nanny0gg · 29/12/2024 17:29

Printedword · 29/12/2024 16:38

Both the film and the tv series are really sexist in relation to the female characters. I can personally explain it away with being of its time and perhaps quite a bit of an accurate portrayal but younger family members feel uncomfortable

Then they need to toughen up

It's how things were

Peopleinmyphone · 29/12/2024 17:29

ladyamy · 29/12/2024 09:35

Why not?

Just not sure if you could pretend to have a learning disability now. Also the bit where Jenny sleeps with him is a bit questionable.

Printedword · 29/12/2024 17:32

Nanny0gg · 29/12/2024 17:29

Then they need to toughen up

It's how things were

The thread is about what was acceptable and isn't now. Also, feeling uncomfortable does not mean people need to toughen up even using an extreme definition set.

Printedword · 29/12/2024 17:35

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 17:17

They were of their time, as you say. But the problem with it making the younger members of the family feel uncomfortable is possibly what concerns me most. If all we consume by way of entertainment is stuff that doesn’t challenge us, and we disregard the rest, where does that leave us ? The future will just be bland.

Eh, they just bring modern eyes and perspectives to things and the essence of what this thread is about rests on the fact that we'd nuance the portrayal now so that the sane sexism could be put across in a cleverer way. Well, hopefully

hihelenhi · 29/12/2024 17:40

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 17:17

They were of their time, as you say. But the problem with it making the younger members of the family feel uncomfortable is possibly what concerns me most. If all we consume by way of entertainment is stuff that doesn’t challenge us, and we disregard the rest, where does that leave us ? The future will just be bland.

I agree - I mean, it was meant to be a comedic depiction of life for a bunch of US soldiers during the Korean War. Based on a book about the lives of people, mostly men, who'd actually been there in the war doing service for the US Army. Yes, some of the "Hotlips Houlihan" stuff is uncomfortable. I'm sure it was for any women of the time. But the show was very popular for a reason - people of that generation and experience related to it.

What do your young relatives suggest should be depicted about life as a medical unit during the Korean War instead? Why is it okay to rewrite the history of older people, including depicting attitudes of the time, because they don't fit "young" sensibilities? It doesn't seem very "inclusive" or aware, tbh.Yes, times change, sometimes people's attitudes WERE dodgy. Portraying it isn't approval, as we keep saying, over and over again. Most adults can cope with that and make their own decisions on their views.

hihelenhi · 29/12/2024 17:44

Printedword · 29/12/2024 17:32

The thread is about what was acceptable and isn't now. Also, feeling uncomfortable does not mean people need to toughen up even using an extreme definition set.

Feeling uncomfortable is sometimes necessary to get people thinking.

Are we suggesting everything should be sugarcoated so nobody who is oversensitive feels 'uncomfortable'? How is that progressive? Surely it's discussion about such things that moves things forward. It's very Mary Whitehouse and very socially conservative to want to ban everything and not show anything that isn't "nice". It won't change the reality though. I'd have thought that anyone truly "progressive" would be adult enough to be able to see that.

SuePine69 · 29/12/2024 17:46

CaptainMyCaptain · 29/12/2024 13:38

The Eastern European films and cartoons on TV in the 60s were very weird.

60s TV was weird. There was White Horses with its wonderful theme tune. A teenage girl goes to stay on her uncle's stud farm. Couldn't be shown today, the first episode had a story about the gypsies stealing one of the stallions.

The worst thing was Pinky & Perky singing Hello Dolly.

hihelenhi · 29/12/2024 17:46

Printedword · 29/12/2024 17:35

Eh, they just bring modern eyes and perspectives to things and the essence of what this thread is about rests on the fact that we'd nuance the portrayal now so that the sane sexism could be put across in a cleverer way. Well, hopefully

Is it okay to pretend that things weren't the way they were, though? Isn't it more honest to portray attitudes as they were?

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 17:48

SuePine69 · 29/12/2024 17:46

60s TV was weird. There was White Horses with its wonderful theme tune. A teenage girl goes to stay on her uncle's stud farm. Couldn't be shown today, the first episode had a story about the gypsies stealing one of the stallions.

The worst thing was Pinky & Perky singing Hello Dolly.

“The worst thing was Pinky & Perky singing Hello Dolly.”

Why ? Hello Dolly is a show tune.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 17:50

hihelenhi · 29/12/2024 17:40

I agree - I mean, it was meant to be a comedic depiction of life for a bunch of US soldiers during the Korean War. Based on a book about the lives of people, mostly men, who'd actually been there in the war doing service for the US Army. Yes, some of the "Hotlips Houlihan" stuff is uncomfortable. I'm sure it was for any women of the time. But the show was very popular for a reason - people of that generation and experience related to it.

What do your young relatives suggest should be depicted about life as a medical unit during the Korean War instead? Why is it okay to rewrite the history of older people, including depicting attitudes of the time, because they don't fit "young" sensibilities? It doesn't seem very "inclusive" or aware, tbh.Yes, times change, sometimes people's attitudes WERE dodgy. Portraying it isn't approval, as we keep saying, over and over again. Most adults can cope with that and make their own decisions on their views.

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Not really sure why you’ve tagged me because I agree with everything you’re saying.

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 29/12/2024 17:54

SuePine69 · 29/12/2024 17:46

60s TV was weird. There was White Horses with its wonderful theme tune. A teenage girl goes to stay on her uncle's stud farm. Couldn't be shown today, the first episode had a story about the gypsies stealing one of the stallions.

The worst thing was Pinky & Perky singing Hello Dolly.

Couldn't be shown today, the first episode had a story about the gypsies stealing one of the stallions.

Why would this stop White Horses being shown today? Confused

Jellycatspyjamas · 29/12/2024 17:56

The thread is about what was acceptable and isn't now. Also, feeling uncomfortable does not mean people need to toughen up even using an extreme definition set.

The thread is about things that wouldn’t be made now - making someone feel uncomfortable is far too low a bar for not making a movie.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 17:56

CaptainMyCaptain · 29/12/2024 12:29

Shirley Temple was badly abused during the making of her films so that makes them unwatchable.

Many child actors were abused by film studios, not just Temple. And female actors in particular were forced into cycles of starvation dieting and weight gain for their various roles, and plied with uppers and downers to facilitate sleep patterns. Many stories of addiction as a result. Not to mention the connotations of the ‘casting couch’. If you took all of this into account you’d never watch anything.