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Films that would not be made now

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Samcro · 28/12/2024 22:00

I know it’s a topic that has been done before.
but what film do you think would not be made now and why?
mine is, every which way but loose.
yep the Clint Eastwood film with the orangutan

OP posts:
Printedword · 29/12/2024 17:57

hihelenhi · 29/12/2024 17:46

Is it okay to pretend that things weren't the way they were, though? Isn't it more honest to portray attitudes as they were?

Oh dear - there are ways to put this across that convey how things were as directors have been doing for a while now

MerryMaker · 29/12/2024 17:58

MASH was supposed to be a pretty accurate portrayal.
Sure we could pretend women working there were treated well and without sexism, but that is unrealistic.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 17:59

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 29/12/2024 17:54

Couldn't be shown today, the first episode had a story about the gypsies stealing one of the stallions.

Why would this stop White Horses being shown today? Confused

It wouldn’t. Portraying travellers onscreen doesn’t make it racist if it’s integral to the plot. And I’m still struggling as to why it’s offensive for pinky and perky to sing “Hello dolly”. There’s a real lack of critical thinking on this thread. It’s sad and concerning - especially those attributing the lyrics of classic films to ‘grooming’ and racism when it’s nothing of the sort.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 29/12/2024 17:59

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 17:56

Many child actors were abused by film studios, not just Temple. And female actors in particular were forced into cycles of starvation dieting and weight gain for their various roles, and plied with uppers and downers to facilitate sleep patterns. Many stories of addiction as a result. Not to mention the connotations of the ‘casting couch’. If you took all of this into account you’d never watch anything.

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Same with singers.

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 29/12/2024 18:00

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 17:59

It wouldn’t. Portraying travellers onscreen doesn’t make it racist if it’s integral to the plot. And I’m still struggling as to why it’s offensive for pinky and perky to sing “Hello dolly”. There’s a real lack of critical thinking on this thread. It’s sad and concerning - especially those attributing the lyrics of classic films to ‘grooming’ and racism when it’s nothing of the sort.

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Exactly this. 100% agree @Rosscameasdoody

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 29/12/2024 18:00

Printedword · 29/12/2024 17:57

Oh dear - there are ways to put this across that convey how things were as directors have been doing for a while now

MerryMaker · 29/12/2024 18:00

I don't think Mel Brooks The Producers would be made today.

Printedword · 29/12/2024 18:01

hihelenhi · 29/12/2024 17:44

Feeling uncomfortable is sometimes necessary to get people thinking.

Are we suggesting everything should be sugarcoated so nobody who is oversensitive feels 'uncomfortable'? How is that progressive? Surely it's discussion about such things that moves things forward. It's very Mary Whitehouse and very socially conservative to want to ban everything and not show anything that isn't "nice". It won't change the reality though. I'd have thought that anyone truly "progressive" would be adult enough to be able to see that.

Feeling uncomfortable is legitimate. Modern film makers simply portray things conveying that we are viewing dinosaurs attitudes. Also, my DS can watch contemporary or near contemporary portrayal of sexism, feel uncomfortable and totally understand why. The thread is about films we would not make now in the same way

Jellycatspyjamas · 29/12/2024 18:02

Just not sure if you could pretend to have a learning disability now. Also the bit where Jenny sleeps with him is a bit questionable.
Assuming this is about Forest Gump are you uncomfortable with a non-disabled actor portraying someone with a learning disability? I’m not sure why Jenny sleeping with him is questionable, there was nothing to suggest he lacked capacity to give consent.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 18:03

MerryMaker · 29/12/2024 18:00

I don't think Mel Brooks The Producers would be made today.

Why ? It was intended to turn things on their heads and make people think. It’s satire. If you look back at many of the war time movies making fun of Hitler was common.

SuePine69 · 29/12/2024 18:05

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 17:48

“The worst thing was Pinky & Perky singing Hello Dolly.”

Why ? Hello Dolly is a show tune.

If you ever get to see it you will know why. Two plastic pig puppets wearing sailor suits and sailor hats. A strange half smile on their faces as if they know something we don't. Legs constantly moving but no connection to how fast they are walking. They sing in very high pitched voices.

Perhaps it's the song that put me off. A show tune, made popular by Louis Armstrong. The Red Army Choir sang a version, which always seemed very sinister to me. Especially the line "It's so nice to have you back where you belong". I always think of some hapless defector kidnapped and brought back to the Soviet Union (it did happen).

I did like the Pinky & Perky version of All My Loving by the Beatles though. Anybody could sing anybody's songs in those day which is why you had Peter Glaze on Crackerjack singing pop songs.

Printedword · 29/12/2024 18:10

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 29/12/2024 18:00

No question mark needed

MerryMaker · 29/12/2024 18:12

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 18:03

Why ? It was intended to turn things on their heads and make people think. It’s satire. If you look back at many of the war time movies making fun of Hitler was common.

I loved the film, I think young people would be outraged these days and not fully understand the satire

SerendipityJane · 29/12/2024 18:13

MerryMaker · 29/12/2024 18:00

I don't think Mel Brooks The Producers would be made today.

"Don't be stupid, be a smarty;
come and join the Nazi party !"

SerendipityJane · 29/12/2024 18:17

MerryMaker · 29/12/2024 18:12

I loved the film, I think young people would be outraged these days and not fully understand the satire

Alternatively, "Hitler ! The Musical" is the Broadway hit of 2025.

"A bigly musical - I helped write it, you ,know" - D. Trump
"Why sing about a failure ?" - E. Musk
"I'll raise a pint and an arm to the writers" - N. Farage.

Jennyathemall · 29/12/2024 18:19

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 17:17

They were of their time, as you say. But the problem with it making the younger members of the family feel uncomfortable is possibly what concerns me most. If all we consume by way of entertainment is stuff that doesn’t challenge us, and we disregard the rest, where does that leave us ? The future will just be bland.

In response to @Printedword

Does it ever occur to you that feeling uncomfortable can be a good thing? That always feeling comfortable isn’t necessarily beneficial? If they feel uncomfortable then hopefully that leads to questions as to why. and the anwswer isn’t necessarily that what you are watching is “wrong”. They need to be open to the idea of changing their viewpoints.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 18:20

SuePine69 · 29/12/2024 18:05

If you ever get to see it you will know why. Two plastic pig puppets wearing sailor suits and sailor hats. A strange half smile on their faces as if they know something we don't. Legs constantly moving but no connection to how fast they are walking. They sing in very high pitched voices.

Perhaps it's the song that put me off. A show tune, made popular by Louis Armstrong. The Red Army Choir sang a version, which always seemed very sinister to me. Especially the line "It's so nice to have you back where you belong". I always think of some hapless defector kidnapped and brought back to the Soviet Union (it did happen).

I did like the Pinky & Perky version of All My Loving by the Beatles though. Anybody could sing anybody's songs in those day which is why you had Peter Glaze on Crackerjack singing pop songs.

I grew up with Pinky and Perky - yes, I’m that old !! So yes, I’ve seen it, and a lot more - it was a kids programme, hence the constantly moving legs and high pitched voices. I don’t understand your problem with the song Hello Dolly. It’s a show tune and was written about the fictional character of Dolly Levi, a New York socialite, turned matchmaker. The song was about her triumphant return to the New York social scene - hence the line ‘it’s so nice to have you back where you belong’. Why on earth are posters trying to attribute the most sinister scenarios to songs that are about something else entirely ?

Uricon2 · 29/12/2024 18:20

SuePine69 · 29/12/2024 18:05

If you ever get to see it you will know why. Two plastic pig puppets wearing sailor suits and sailor hats. A strange half smile on their faces as if they know something we don't. Legs constantly moving but no connection to how fast they are walking. They sing in very high pitched voices.

Perhaps it's the song that put me off. A show tune, made popular by Louis Armstrong. The Red Army Choir sang a version, which always seemed very sinister to me. Especially the line "It's so nice to have you back where you belong". I always think of some hapless defector kidnapped and brought back to the Soviet Union (it did happen).

I did like the Pinky & Perky version of All My Loving by the Beatles though. Anybody could sing anybody's songs in those day which is why you had Peter Glaze on Crackerjack singing pop songs.

The first record I owned was an EP of Pinky and Perky murdering Beatles songs.My excuse-the only excuse possible-is that I was about 3. Grin

ETA I think "Hello Dolly" as a song is pretty clear of harm, TBH. P&P could make anything sound sinister!

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 18:21

Jennyathemall · 29/12/2024 18:19

In response to @Printedword

Does it ever occur to you that feeling uncomfortable can be a good thing? That always feeling comfortable isn’t necessarily beneficial? If they feel uncomfortable then hopefully that leads to questions as to why. and the anwswer isn’t necessarily that what you are watching is “wrong”. They need to be open to the idea of changing their viewpoints.

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Read my post again. That’s exactly what I’m saying. It’s concerning that we’re not allowing our youngsters to watch things that challenge them and make them feel uncomfortable - and to encourage critical thinking. It’s how they grow and develop.

CaptainMyCaptain · 29/12/2024 18:23

hihelenhi · 29/12/2024 17:40

I agree - I mean, it was meant to be a comedic depiction of life for a bunch of US soldiers during the Korean War. Based on a book about the lives of people, mostly men, who'd actually been there in the war doing service for the US Army. Yes, some of the "Hotlips Houlihan" stuff is uncomfortable. I'm sure it was for any women of the time. But the show was very popular for a reason - people of that generation and experience related to it.

What do your young relatives suggest should be depicted about life as a medical unit during the Korean War instead? Why is it okay to rewrite the history of older people, including depicting attitudes of the time, because they don't fit "young" sensibilities? It doesn't seem very "inclusive" or aware, tbh.Yes, times change, sometimes people's attitudes WERE dodgy. Portraying it isn't approval, as we keep saying, over and over again. Most adults can cope with that and make their own decisions on their views.

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I agree. Removing the sexism would be wiping from history the difficulties women at that time had to face. It's right that younger people see it in context and know that it was wrong.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 18:24

Uricon2 · 29/12/2024 18:20

The first record I owned was an EP of Pinky and Perky murdering Beatles songs.My excuse-the only excuse possible-is that I was about 3. Grin

ETA I think "Hello Dolly" as a song is pretty clear of harm, TBH. P&P could make anything sound sinister!

Edited

Yep. Me too. I cringe when I think about it now, but then I remember more recent things like the Teletubbies, which was just vapid mindless crap. And in the words of Julie Andrews, then I don’t feel so bad !!

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 18:27

MerryMaker · 29/12/2024 18:12

I loved the film, I think young people would be outraged these days and not fully understand the satire

I would probably agree with that unfortunately. It’s sad.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 29/12/2024 18:29

MerryMaker · 29/12/2024 18:00

I don't think Mel Brooks The Producers would be made today.

It was remade in 2005 and has been a stage show since.

Also the whole point of it was the extreme bad taste of Springtime for Hitler. I think people still get it.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/12/2024 18:32

MerryMaker · 29/12/2024 17:58

MASH was supposed to be a pretty accurate portrayal.
Sure we could pretend women working there were treated well and without sexism, but that is unrealistic.

I also think that some of the things that are being interpreted as sexism were intended to show how someone can behave totally out of character, given the circumstances they were in. It was wartime, they were far from their families and no end in sight to the conflict. Married men, and women were portrayed as taking comfort where they found it - something they would never have considered otherwise. I think a lot of it was intended to question the morality of that and to ask ourselves what we would do in the same situation.

CaptainMyCaptain · 29/12/2024 18:34

I did like the Pinky & Perky version of All My Loving by the Beatles though. Anybody could sing anybody's songs in those day which is why you had Peter Glaze on Crackerjack singing pop songs. The BBC had to broadcast a proportion of music by live artists that's why there were so many crap cover versions of pop songs. I'm not sure when it ended - maybe it coincided with the start of Radio 1 and the end of pirate radio stations like Radio Caroline in around 1966 or 7.

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