Christmas market attack in Germany tonight😥 article linked

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/20/germany-christmas-market-madgeburg
I have attended many Christmas markets over the years. They are so crowded especially at the moment as German children finished school for the Christmas holidays. Frightening, my prayers are with all the victim's 🙏

Thankyou for your well thought out reply. It's appreciated.

So you are not sure then about your belief that he deliberately targeted Christians as you don't believe his motivation will ever be known?

Thanks for your reply. It's appreciated

That doesn't answer my question
Apparently he hated Germany according to the media, why bring more people to a country he despises? He had a website actively helping Saudis seek asylum. Surely he would advise them to try elsewhere if Germany so bad?

The question is why did he & so many others turn on the country & citizens that offered them shelter in their time of need?

Hundreds of terror attacks have been foiled this year alone, remember the Taylor Swift concert in Vienna?

Cake the real question is why this man & many before him turn on & kill the citizens that granted them refuge? Why?

Also your interrogation skills are wasted on Mumsnet, you should join the CIA!

@cakeorwine

"So you are not sure then about your belief that he deliberately targeted Christians as you don't believe his motivation will ever be known?

Thanks for your reply. It's appreciated"

Correct I don't believe that his motive will ever be known or at least truthfully reported.

Do you agree or disagree that predominantly the victims are German, white and Christian and because of this the attack can be seen as an attack on predominantly on German white Christians. Of course whether that was his motive comes under assumption and there maybe other reasons for his choice of target.

Or do you think that this was an attack on predominantly Indian brown Hindus?

The thing is - it's very hard to change people's minds in debates. People have biases, see the world through their viewpoint, look at media that reinforces their view point, see the world as tribes, as them and us, and that's how our brains are wired.

Everyone has views, opinions, beliefs. They see something, they react emotionally and they create their view of the world. Who knows how people's minds, views and opinion of others can change. We all know the experiments where people can easily be radicalised to hate others. It doesn't take much to create other.

It's interesting to ask people why they believe what they do and how strongly they believe it. If there are alternate views, if there is any doubt in their view and what others might say to challenge their view.

It certainly beats arguing on the internet.

I believe that me telling you what I believe won't change your belief at all.

I will say that I don't know the reason why he carried out such an appalling attack.

I do know that many people's lives will have been horrendously affected this Christmas and that my heart goes out to the people who were injured and killed and all those affected by this.

YourAmplePlumPoster · Today 09:42
So why do you think Syrians chose to rampage through a Christmas fair the other day waving Syrian and Palestinian flags?

Rampaging? Really?

Syrian refugees who have potential just got their country back were celebrating, in an empty public space. Not hard to understand.

I agree. But many agree that there is a pattern of individuals who seek refuge in a country then turn on the country which gave them shelter by carrying out such evil atrocities like we have seen demonstrated yet again by this man . Why do these men do this? It is always men.

Just don’t allow young men into your country as refugees. They are the riskiest cohort BY FAR and don’t count literal teenagers as children either.

Exactly Ringojuice. Why aren't women coming here in droves from warn torn countries. Look at the plight of the poor women in Afghanistan left behind while young men who should be their chaperones leave them at home unable to leave the house.

To shock? To want to implement political change? If he wanted a rise in anti-islamic activities he got that. The party he supports got a push so big that they fehlt emboldened enough to exploit a tragedy for their polocal gain.
Also why would being granted asylum change an asshole. He clearly doesn't care about human lives so being thankful probably isn't his thing.
Also he was of the opinion that the german state treated these saudi refugees Terrine so it probably in his mind.
Look whether he's an islamic terrorist, a right wing nutjob or whatever it all makes sense. And the media isn't pushing an agenda they are just publishing the known facts. Which might change in the future.

Who do you mean by 'monsters' and 'them'?

And yet this is an established pattern of human migration escaping war and famine probably for millennia - fit healthy young men seeking a place of safety before bringing the women and children to join them

Difficult to change that IMO

His motives are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things .
He followed the same path as so many others who turned & inflicted savage ,evil atrocities upon the citizens & country who granted them asylum & shelter. Why have so many refugees done this in their adopted country.
Are you aware hundreds more attacks have been foiled in Europe this year ?

Well, if you're talking about far-right extremists or lone actor terrorists of unconfirmed ideologies, then mass deportation policies might be challenging as many individuals who would fall within those categories won't have dual nationalities or have relocated from other countries.

But in the case of Afghanistan it's nearly impossible for women to leave. They need a male chaperone to get to any safe border plus they can't even use their voices outside any longer. How can men leave women like that ?

What about all the radicalised monsters in cells across Europw with Isis links constantly plotting similar atrocities?

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/europe-isis-k-tajikistan/

Let's not forget the attack in Moscow earlier this year. Europe is under attack from within.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/us/politics/moscow-attack-isis.html

There is a big call for the laws to be changed. I also hope that people siding and condoning these criminals are also jailed and if relevant deported.

The other poster appeared to be referencing this particular attack. Which appears to have been the work of an anti-Islam, far-right extremist with conspiracy theory related views. The majority of people within that demographic aren't going to be eligible for deportation.

People who commit and conspire to commit crimes can and should be dealt with, within the appropriate legal framework, including the option of deportation where appropriate.

The people stirring up more anti-Muslim and anti-minority hate in the aftermath of this awful attack are simply doing what this perpetrator likely hoped to achieve - creating more division and causing more pain and fear, at a time when people should be trying to come together.

As you say 'also' there, were you referring to a different group or groups in your previous post then?