Christmas market attack in Germany tonight😥 article linked

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/20/germany-christmas-market-madgeburg
I have attended many Christmas markets over the years. They are so crowded especially at the moment as German children finished school for the Christmas holidays. Frightening, my prayers are with all the victim's 🙏

We know for sure he was an immigrant from a Muslim country. We can be pretty sure he hated the Germans, who sheltered him in his time of need. We know for sure the mainstream media are strongly biased against nationalism and strongly biased in favour of muslims, diversity and immigration. The rest is speculation.

I believe a lot of the rumours are to distract people from discussing the fundamental issues of the costs and benefits of the unprecedented migration of the last decades and what we should do about it.

It is certainly suspicious that someone who is far-right and anti-Islam would attack a Christmas Market in a city full of mosques and madrasas and following a strong, albeit recent, tradition of muslim terrorists targeting Christmas Markets.

How is it twisting things when he literally posted that Merkel should be in jail for the islamization of europe.
It also baffles me that people can not understand that an immigrant could harbor hate for other immigrants.
How do these people explain immigrants voting for Trump then?
There has verifyably been a lot of right wing misinformation on SM maybe that's why.

Why would Syrians be celebrating right now?
It must be really really Hard to find an answer 🙄

Actually saw this clip on twitter - no 'rampaging' evident but a large group of men and women mainly waving the 'new' 3 starred Syrian flag walking thro' the closed Christmas market in Essen

It has been widely re-purposed by the right as something negative

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There will be a racial element to a Saudi Arab’s thinking process. He will see a white person and just assume they are Christian whether or not they are explicitly so.

You may deny and say you are secular, but this just isn’t really a thing for them. To attack Germans at a Christmas market is to attack white European Christians, in his mind. Why he wanted to do such a thing is a matter of debate at this point. We just don’t know.

So you are saying that in his mind, any white person is a white European Christian because that's how he was brought up to believe that white Europeans are Christians, and so he assumed they were Christians, and he deliberately targeted a Christmas market to kill people he assumed were Christians, but you don't know why he decided to kill people he assumed were Christians.

How confident are you on say a scale of 1 to 10 (where 1 is totally confident and 10 is not at all confident) that he was motivated to kill Christians?

So if a person went on a rampage of some kind, targeting the shops, restaurants and shisha bars on the Edgware Road would we say that was an attack on Londoners?

I think it's a valid point to consider.
If he was a professional pyscologist it may have been easier for him to separate religion and society in his mind.

However I think it must be hard to appreciate the separation of church and state in the west when Islam is a highly controlling religion that permeates every single aspect of life in Muslim countries. There are endless rules of what's allowed or not. Obviously some Muslim countries have become more relaxed but Saudi is not one of them.

So I think it's a valid point to look at what perspective this man may have.

As has been pointed out though, many non Christians attend Christmas markets.

Do you think that someone could give an alternative view if a Christmas market was attacked and could say that it was an attack on a crowded place full of Germans?

Do you believe that this was designed to be an attack on people assumed to be Christians?

And if so, why do you think this man wanted to target Christians?

My point is that he sees Germans as Christians, so attacking a Christmas market is the very same as attacking Germans. He does not separate the two; he sees the world tribally.

He is not attacking Christians per se. He probably sussed that the best place to attack native Germans was at a Christmas market.

They are culturally Christian no matter their explicit beliefs.

From what I am reading, there are some people who believe that this man wanted to deliberately target Christians but they don't seem to be able to give a reason for their belief that he wanted to target Christians.

So you don't believe people who say he was deliberately targeting Christians. You believe he wanted to attack Germans - and that would fit in with his anger at the German Government?

Women are oppressed in Europe too . Allowing males in female spaces is oppressing females , allowing males in female sports & prisons is oppression against females.

@cakeorwine

"So you think this man hated Christians for some reason so he targetted Christians at a Christmas Market and that the main stream media are lying to us and saying that he was actually anti immigrant, anti Islam and a supporter of AFD as they are worried about the elections in Germany.

I think that the true motive for this attack will never be known and indeed the attacker himself might not even know himself.

But yes I absolutely believe that the Mainstream media if not outright lying are most definitely emphasising his alleged "anti immigrant" "anti Islam" and pro AfD" of which there is no evidence other than some tweets from a deranged angry man and flies in the face of logic as to why he would attack a Christmas market and not say a mosque or a refugee centre.

Why do I think that the MSM are doing this, well firstly they really don't want to be seen to be encouraging protests against immigrants as we saw in the UK. Secondly with an election due in Germany in two months, the MSM do not want to do anything that would create support for the AfD.

Sadly this just reinforces the growing message that the MSM are of a left wing bias and cannot be trusted to be impartial.

But why was he assisting more Saudis gain asylum in Germany if he thought Germany & immigration was so bad. He had a website to assist Saudis gain asylum in Germany.
There are so many contradictions in the media's reporting

Yes absolutely. A lot of the wording the media is using is "allegedly".. there may be no basis to it.

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As has been pointed out though, many non Christians attend Christmas markets."

This point is irrelevant- just as there are many non Muslims on Edgware Road or non Hindus at a Diwali festival.

You have said yourself that a similar attack on a Diwali festival would be seen (although the true motives may later be different) as predominantly an attack on Indians, brown skin and Hindus. So why are you trying to deny that an attack on a Christmas market is predominantly an attack on Germans, white skin and Christian.

Or is it somehow different and attacks on predominantly Germans, white skin and Christian don't matter as much?

Do you think there is a difference between immigration and claiming asylum?

I think there are many people who are against immigration but who accept that people need to claim asylum.

I am asking if you believe that the reason that this man did this appalling event was because he was motivated to attack Christians.

EDIT - I don't know why he carried out this attack

Do you believe this man was motivated to attack Christians and if so, why?

There are so many contradictions in the media's reporting

Well there's not really much for them to report is there - just his deleted SM posts and interviews with his neighbours, colleagues, clients and some of it is baffling likely because it's incomplete - the German police/judiciary are famously close-lipped because suspects have greater rights to privacy than in the UK eg they haven't even confirmed his surname so probably won't hear a lot more until the trial

I've already posted about this twice.

"It also baffles me that people can not understand that an immigrant could harbor hate for other immigrants.
How do these people explain immigrants voting for Trump then?"
If you didn't understand by now I can't help you.
Also the media are emphasising the known facts, if he had written an islamic manifesto online they would have posted that.
But he hasn't. He attacked a happy and joyous celebration full of germans of unknown Religion.

My point is that there are all types of people who frequent the Edgware Road but an attack there would not be seen as a generalised attack on London but as a specific attack on Muslims. You would not see people desperately trying to claim
otherwise. Nor would the MSM try and report it as a far-left, anti-Christian attack.

If something doesn’t seem to make any sense it’s because it’s nonsensical.

I would disagree with those who say he was attacking Christians specifically.

He was attacking native Germans, the Christianity part is implicit. The best place to kill native Germans will be at spaces where they engage in their traditions, which is going to be largely Christian in nature.

As for his motives, this will be known as he was caught alive and will have to speak to what he has done and why. It seems from those who tried to report him that he hated Germans (the people) not really the government so much?

Do you believe that this man's motives were to deliberately target Christians, and if so, why do you believe this was his motivation?

@cakeorwine

"Do you believe this man was motivated to attack Christians and if so, why"

I believe that the true reasons for this man's motives will never be known and probably not even by himself.

I also believe that the majority of his victims were German, white and Christian. Now whether this was behind his motive is unknown but it is correct to state that this was a terrorist attack on predominantly German, white Christians.

Or do you believe that this attack on the Magdeburg Christmas market was a terrorist attack on predominantly Indian, brown skin Hindus?