Are you in favour of the Royal Family?

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DM and I were discussing this last night, she's now in her Eighties and used to really like the Queen (not so much Phillip for some reason) but now really isn't bothered and thinks the RF, as is, should be abolished . I've always been a Republican but I was surprised at DM as she always seemed very pro RF but actually was pro the late Queen.

IMHO it seems so past it's sell by date but I'd be interested to know others opinions.

I suspect the Windsors have been hoarding riches more intensely than ever in anticipation of being given their marching orders . They mustn’t be amazed that they’ve got away with the scam for as long as they have .
I see now Zara and the York sisters are being shown to have taken large sums of money for … what exactly ? Are they ‘working ‘ royals ? ( none of them work)
Are they selling their ‘royal’ status while not being ‘working ‘ royals a la Peter what’s his name - Anne’s son ? So that’s allowed as long as you don’t point out any issues with the whole Windsor set up ?

Remember how republican demonstrators were "accidentally" banned from the coronation ?

Yes , I remember it vividly .

More dystopian was the arrest of Symon Hill who shouted ‘who elected him?’ when passing the proclamation ceremony in Oxford
He was arrested for ‘using threatening or abusive words’ Yes really. Charges dropped of course .

Message received peasants ?
Thats why they ‘ long live the king’ while the previous leech is still warm - mustn’t allow a moments breathing space . Someone might think ! Imagine

Are they selling their ‘royal’ status while not being ‘working ‘ royals a la Peter what’s his name - Anne’s son ? So that’s allowed as long as you don’t point out any issues with the whole Windsor set up ?
I think that's it. Although Harry seems to want the Royals to have money and status without the minimal downside of colluding with the press and minimal lack of privacy. He's not a trailblazer against the Windsors he just thinks they should be able to live in the lap of luxury without scrutiny. Where his family didn't have to throw members to the press in order to protect the higher ups, because they could do all do what they liked and no one would say anything.

@CathyorClaire "Yet more sleaze round Charles's Scottish vanity project?"

Dumfries House? Damn-I liked that one.😥

I loved the Queen and I do love the pomp and ceremony of things like trooping the colour but yes it is a bit ridiculous that we have a Royal Family who are heads of state.

But all that Colour trooping can be done anyway. It's a regimental flag. I understand it was touched by the King or Queens but it's not as tho the monarch sewed the battle honours on to the fabric. No doubt the Queen loved us as long as we didn't ask to look at the accounts or possessions.

Cash for honours

Cash for access

Russian oligarch

Fake paintings (not clear whether they were lent or donated) supplied by a man who appears to have had an agenda.

https://www.alliancemagazine.org/blog/prince-charles-foundation-under-statutory-investigation/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1483856/prince-charles-donors-pay-100-thousand-royal-dinner

https://tfn.scot/news/scottish-charity-in-russian-money-laundering-scandal

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/arts-and-culture/a31077702/prince-charles-dumfries-house-artwork-scandal/

And all of it because Charles seems to have been stupid enough to overpay a bloke already worth £100m in the first place:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2010/sep/10/dumfries-house-prince-charles

I see now Zara and the York sisters are being shown to have taken large sums of money for … what exactly ? Are they ‘working ‘ royals ? ( none of them work)
Are they selling their ‘royal’ status while not being ‘working ‘ royals a la Peter what’s his name - Anne’s son ? So that’s allowed as long as you don’t point out any issues with the whole Windsor set up ?

I've been pointing out that particular St Zara grift for years. I have no idea why she and the lechy creep she married get so little scrutiny and such good press.

Likewise the stolid bro whose best moment appears to have been organising the Patron's Lunch in an uncontested tender that saw his 'events company' trousering £750K. An amount approximate double the event raised for charity.

I think a lot of people were pro the late Queen but not so much pro monarcy.

It goes to the heart of quite a few questions- do we want a monarchy? If not then where do we go? Are we going to side with camp America? We've not exactly kept strong bridges with Europe. Do we forge stronger ties with India? I think Elon Musk wants us which is why he's willing to put a lot of money into reform.

I think the monarcy have a place but they need to get serious about the land issue. They own so much land they don't even know how much land. Profits need to go back to the people, for the people to really want to support a monarchy.

@CathyorClaire "I've been pointing out that particular St Zara grift for years. I have no idea why she and the lechy creep she married get so little scrutiny and such good press"

I agree about the Zara grift. It's utterly outrageous. Is he a lechy creep? I didn't r know. If he is he can move up my tumbril list.

It does amuse me that Zara, Peter, Beatrice, Eugenie et al can cash in on their royal status, but Harry can't.

He's been caught a couple of times letching over women who aren't Zara. Once just before they married and once on some show when he was photographed touching up a reluctant looking crew member. All airbrushed out because "not Meghan"

They don’t rubbish and embarrass the RF.

@Thoughtsareswirling "They don’t rubbish and embarrass the RF."
It would be possible to argue that their behaviour is less hypocritical.

Yes we need the Royal Family but should have skipped old Sausage Fingers and his horse faced mistress. No role models for the country at all.

We can't. That's the point. You get what you get and like it.

Exactly. Being pro-monarchy means you have literally no choice. You just accept whoever’s next in line, regardless of who it is. You’ve signed up to the sacred bloodline, anointed heredity being more important than qualifications, suitability etc.

Haven't read the whole thread, but aside from all of the obvious issues, I think it's a human rights issue. Seems to make everyone involved utterly miserable. Harry had a point when he said that he had been entered into an invisible contract with the press as an infant.

So that means they can do what they want then. Umm okaaaay..
Sounds like a free licence for anything! Keep your trap shut and grab the Dosh! Course they don't rubbish the royal family,they're on to a winner!

I agree. Does make them all miserable. All we see are forced smiles and dressing up. And the poor kids forced into this...awful

Anyone could completely understand his resentment about the Press. It’s doesn’t really wash though when you see he’s still desperately trying to get his mug in the papers anyway he can. Anyone else would have sloped off to somewhere remote and lived under the radar. So it makes a nonsense of wanting privacy as has been pointed out zillions of times. He could have gone to Australia or Africa or so many different places. He doesn’t need to live in an enclave for the rich living a plastic life.

I presume you are talking about Harry. He didn't say he wanted privacy. He wants to apparently save his family from themselves, because they feel obligated to collude with the press, and they live in a hierarchy where the children are not and cannot be treated equally. But he supports having a Monarchy. He is too dumb to realise firstly that his family don't want to be ' saved'. They want to be the Monarchy, and they want to survive. For the Monarchy to survive, someone needs to be top of the tree, and everyone elses life of luxury comes from propping up the Monarch. Hes too dumb to realise that. Zara, The York sisters and Andrew may be dumb but they know this basic fact. Do what you like but dont damage the King, because otherwise the tap stops. The courtiers are desperate for the Monarchy to survive too- these none too bright people who think they are special. In order to do that, they need to collude with the press, leaking stories, because nowadays the press don't care about the Monarchy either, only as far as they can use them as revenue generators. They can only use them as revenue generators if there is gossip about them. They love to hate Meghan and Harry because they bring traffic to their websites. Harry's job was to be cannon fodder for the press, to throw them stories to protect the important ones. He didn't want to do it ( fair enough) but he then tried to be a one man campaign against a system that was the only thing keeping him in the lap of luxury.

Even they know they woukd be a helluva lot more miserable if they had to pay their own electricity bill!

Oh definitely. One of the most successful and enduring conquests in history. Lots to learn from!