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Fed up of being treated like I am worthless and a drain on society because I don't work

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elliejjtiny · 08/12/2024 22:32

Dh works. He used to have a well paid job but he took a pay cut so he could be more flexible for the dc who have SEN and multiple hospital appointments. I am carer to 10 year old ds who has autism and emotional development delay. He is considered "high functioning" but he receives high rate dla and he is in mainstream school with part time 1-1. This is going to be increased to full time 1-1 when he starts secondary school. In a lot of ways he is like a very intelligent toddler, especially with maths.

PIL came round today. They provide regular childcare for SIL's dc but have looked after my son probably about 5 times in the last 10 years. And never for very long. Because he is difficult. That's fine by me. But then they criticise me for not working. It's not just me,( actually they moan about me a lot less these days because they know I will argue with them and point out that they won't look after ds, school struggle with him so how am I supposed to work) , they go on and on about "people on benefits" and they assume things that are just not true like they think everyone on universal credit gets free holidays and they say the benefit system is more than generous and that people should stop moaning and get a job. Fil has been telling me with glee that one day ds won't need me to care for him and I will have to get a job. To me that's like telling a blind person that one day they will be able to see and they will have to give up their white stick. I would be more than happy to work if ds didn't need me to look after him.

I know sil thinks I should be working (although how, I have no idea) and every so often I keep thinking that maybe other people think this too. I've always said that when ds sleeps through the night I will try and go back to work part time but that hasn't happened yet.

OP posts:
SleeplessInWherever · 11/12/2024 15:14

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:06

You've proved my point. That because you're able to work, you chose to work. Good on you & if you get any financial help then it's well deserved & I have no problem with it at all. You sound like an amazing parent that doesn't use her childs disability not to work.

Laughable.

I don’t mean to speak on anyone’s behalf here, but I too work and support our disabled child. I work 50+ hour weeks most of the year, alongside many many sleepless nights and relentless care needs.

I’m saying that because as a working SENd parent, you can shove that platitude you’re dishing out, and the fact you’re using it to attack someone else for making a different choice is absolutely disgusting.

Snapandfart24 · 11/12/2024 15:15

Don't let the bastards get you down, OP. It sounds flippant but honestly, even from an I ternet random, it's good advice here.

My youngest is autistic and mostly non verbal even though she says words, it's the processing side. She is 5.5 and I can't work, she goes from 1 hour a morning to 3 hours from January when she gets her own TA and I still can't leave the house (3 mins walk from school gates, little village).

It doesn't occur to people the level of responsibility you still have even if they go to school. You need to be available. You need to tell anyone relaxed enough to hire you that you have disabled child and need to drop everything sometimes, including work, with no notice. Depending on the type of work you do that can be impossible.

I took maternity leave from a Grammar 5 mins from kids school at start of covid. If/when I can return to work. I need to do something new. That gives me massive anxiety. I have GAD anyway but the thought of courses or more studies on top of life as it is feels terrifying right now.

Let the inlaws think what they like, and hope they are fortunate enough to never become a carer. With advancing age that's a dicey one.

Be strong, you know they are wrong. Tell DH to have a word if it's his parents. He should back you up. Don't let the bastards get you down. 💐

WeWillGetThereInTheEnd · 11/12/2024 15:16

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 12:04

That doesn't take up to 6 hours, 5 days a week. AND saying that, when do full time working Mums have the chance to arrange appointments, do family admin or catch up on sleep? I & many other working Mums have had to do it, it's all about being organised & I'm sure if her husband has cut his hours at work to help out then he'll be shouldering some of the responsibilities so she's not doing it all herself. Single working Mums don't have anyone to take some of the strain & yet don't use having children as an excuse not to work.

All children have health appointments at times. Parents of disabled children may well have to deal with any combination of specialist teachers, speech and language therapists, occupational therapists, physiotherapists, CAMHS, and consultant paediatricians on top of ordinary health appointments. Then they have to deal more frequently than ordinary parents with the class teacher, TAs, SENCO, and the head. They have to deal with the hierachy at the local authority, such as the LA SEN officer, the area manager, the head of SEN, the specialist teachers, the educational psychologists, social workers and the CEO of the County Council (when making formal complaints).

I can't speak for OP, as she hasn't given all the details; but when my DD was small, I had to:

  1. liaise with her specialist speech and language teacher (not her class teacher, the local authority's (LA) specialist), the speech and language therapist, the head of speech and language therapy, the occupational therapist, physiotherapist, consultant developmental paediatrician, her LA SEN officer, the SEN area manager, and at times the LA educational psychologist, as well as the class teacher, her TAs (there were two in her class of 10 children) and the head
  2. attend appointments with the above, which were never arranged at a time convenient to us; we were just told when they were; and CAMHS (4x a week in the first year, 3x a week the year after, and 1x a week for the next 4 years)
  3. attend the annual reviews, which entailed us writing our views on the past year, her progress and hopes for the next year; and beforehand reading the reports by the class teacher, speech and language therapist, occupational therapist and CAMHS; arranged at a time not convenient for us
  4. read the SEN Code of Practice to find out what all the above professionals employed by my LA were supposed to be doing; and complying with it
  5. read the relevant Education Acts and SEN case law, to find out what my LA was supposed to be doing in law
  6. attend workshops with leading speech and language therapists, occupational therapists and psychologists to understand better DD's needs
  7. read the books by the leading academics on speech and language disorders, dyslexia, dyspraxia, memory problems; as well as bullying to understand better her very complex needs
  8. appeal to the SEN Tribunal (a court), as the LA was proposing an education totally inappropriate to her needs, which would lead to behaviour problems
  9. liaise with my educational solicitor and barrister
  10. arrange, take her to and pay for independent assessments by speech and language therapists, educational psychologists and occupational therapists to produce the evidence for the SEN Tribunal; and pay for them to give oral evidence at the court hearing (say £1,500 for each professional report and another £1,500 for each professional to attend the hearing). Tribunal hearings can cost the parents £40,000 plus.
  11. attend workshops by solicitors, barristers and charities on how to appeal to the SEN Tribunal - because the more you can do for yourself, the more money you can save on the solicitor and barrister
  12. read all the evidence produced by the LA, point out the mistakes and inconsistencies in it, for my solicitor and barrister; and draft documents for the court hearing such as rewrite her statement of SEN myself for the barrister to save money
  13. after winning the SEN Tribunal, because the LA could not produce ANY evidence that their proposed education could meet her needs, seek judicial review (High Court action) with my education solicitor and barrister, because the LA failed to deliver the provisions as per the Tribunal court order
  14. attend support groups for parents in my county
  15. apply for DLA and carer's allowance

By the time, she was in her teens, I was dealing with 40 professionals and public sector agencies like the school, the LA, Social Services, and the DWP - arranging appointments, reading reports, liaising between them, attending multi-disciplinary meetings with any combination of the above, and filling in forms.

The whole SEN system, run by LAs is based on lying, cheating and bullying parents all to save money, about:

  1. the extent and severity of their child's needs - because their own professionals assess the needs; and they are under pressure from their employer to downplay the severity of the needs; and they cannot recommend anything but mainstream for the child, even though they need specialist provision
  2. their duties in law and the SEN Code of Practice to SEN children
  3. whatever lie comes into their heads - such as strong arming a mainstream school into taking a child, when the school says they can't meet the child's needs
  4. subjecting parents to extreme pressure in meetings to agree with the LA's attempts to save money
  5. referring parents to Social Services, claiming they have Munchausen's syndrome by proxy, because the parents say their child with autism needs x,y, z special provisions; and threatening to take the child into care

How often do parents of non-disabled parents have to make formal complaints to the board of governors of the school, formal complaints to the LA, appeal to the courts because their child is not getting the education, they are entitled to by law, and formal complaints to the Local Government Ombudsman? How many times have you had to do this @Goodtogossip ?

How often when you get home from work @Goodtogossip , have you had to carry out programmes sent to you by the speech and language therapist, occupational therapist and physiotherapist, with your non-disabled child?

How much time @Goodtogossip , have you had to spend studying a Code of Practice and the law, to find out what education your child should be getting by law; and how much the school and LA are lying to you, about what they should be doing?

How often have you @Goodtogossip had to attend parenting workshops and courses, so you can understand the complexities of your child's SEN. Its like being given a child from Mars to bring up, without a handbook - when you can't understand what they say, what they want, why they are crying, how to teach them anything or what they are trying to say to you; because they are nothing like "normal" children; and it takes a whole different way of thinking, communicating and negotiating with them?

How much has it cost you to get your child @Goodtogossip , the education they are legally entitled to? What if the LA said to you, that all the local comprehensives are full, so they are sending your "normal" child to the local special school, where they won't be able to do the national curriculum, won't have any peers, and can't do GCSEs? What would your reaction be - disbelief most likely, and then outrage? Parents of SEN children face this all the time - hence having to read up on the law, make the complaints, take court actions, etc.

Rosscameasdoody · 11/12/2024 15:22

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 14:02

I didn't come on for an argument. I asked a question & had a lot of responses but no real answers as to why the Mum can't work. Yes there's been a lot of excuses but my point is Working Mums with non SEN children who's children are at school & they are at work don't have any extra time/ financial help. If your child has Additional needs that require a parent to care or them 24/7 then I'm all for them being paid for doing so as it's a full time job. However, while their child is at school, money is being spent on 1-1 care, extra assistance etc, carers looking after the child, my question was why can't the Mum work while her child is being cared for for up to 6 hours each day, putting something back in to the system to help cover costs incurred for the extra support her child needs from others outside the family.
She also mentioned that her husband cut his working hours, losing some income to help with the care of their child. Was it because they can claim enough to cover the drop in income?

What a disgusting post. What is it going to take to stop you from being so offensive ? OP’s husband didn’t cut his working hours - he changed to freelance to give him more flexibility, not reduced hours. The fact that you assume this was because benefits make up the difference just about sums up your ignorance. Mum can’t work because the plain fact is that regardless of the fact that her child is in school, she has to be available for when he can’t engage - which could be at a moments’ notice. And you seem to be hell bent on assuming she’s claiming benefits for not being able to work - nothing in any of her posts to indicate this, and her husband works. Pays taxes. OP saves a fucking fortune to the tax payer by caring for her child full time instead of relying on already overstretched LA care services. You’re talking absolute bollocks from a point of view of utter ignorance. Please stop. You are not contributing anything of value to this thread now.

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:22

WeWillGetThereInTheEnd · 11/12/2024 15:16

All children have health appointments at times. Parents of disabled children may well have to deal with any combination of specialist teachers, speech and language therapists, occupational therapists, physiotherapists, CAMHS, and consultant paediatricians on top of ordinary health appointments. Then they have to deal more frequently than ordinary parents with the class teacher, TAs, SENCO, and the head. They have to deal with the hierachy at the local authority, such as the LA SEN officer, the area manager, the head of SEN, the specialist teachers, the educational psychologists, social workers and the CEO of the County Council (when making formal complaints).

I can't speak for OP, as she hasn't given all the details; but when my DD was small, I had to:

  1. liaise with her specialist speech and language teacher (not her class teacher, the local authority's (LA) specialist), the speech and language therapist, the head of speech and language therapy, the occupational therapist, physiotherapist, consultant developmental paediatrician, her LA SEN officer, the SEN area manager, and at times the LA educational psychologist, as well as the class teacher, her TAs (there were two in her class of 10 children) and the head
  2. attend appointments with the above, which were never arranged at a time convenient to us; we were just told when they were; and CAMHS (4x a week in the first year, 3x a week the year after, and 1x a week for the next 4 years)
  3. attend the annual reviews, which entailed us writing our views on the past year, her progress and hopes for the next year; and beforehand reading the reports by the class teacher, speech and language therapist, occupational therapist and CAMHS; arranged at a time not convenient for us
  4. read the SEN Code of Practice to find out what all the above professionals employed by my LA were supposed to be doing; and complying with it
  5. read the relevant Education Acts and SEN case law, to find out what my LA was supposed to be doing in law
  6. attend workshops with leading speech and language therapists, occupational therapists and psychologists to understand better DD's needs
  7. read the books by the leading academics on speech and language disorders, dyslexia, dyspraxia, memory problems; as well as bullying to understand better her very complex needs
  8. appeal to the SEN Tribunal (a court), as the LA was proposing an education totally inappropriate to her needs, which would lead to behaviour problems
  9. liaise with my educational solicitor and barrister
  10. arrange, take her to and pay for independent assessments by speech and language therapists, educational psychologists and occupational therapists to produce the evidence for the SEN Tribunal; and pay for them to give oral evidence at the court hearing (say £1,500 for each professional report and another £1,500 for each professional to attend the hearing). Tribunal hearings can cost the parents £40,000 plus.
  11. attend workshops by solicitors, barristers and charities on how to appeal to the SEN Tribunal - because the more you can do for yourself, the more money you can save on the solicitor and barrister
  12. read all the evidence produced by the LA, point out the mistakes and inconsistencies in it, for my solicitor and barrister; and draft documents for the court hearing such as rewrite her statement of SEN myself for the barrister to save money
  13. after winning the SEN Tribunal, because the LA could not produce ANY evidence that their proposed education could meet her needs, seek judicial review (High Court action) with my education solicitor and barrister, because the LA failed to deliver the provisions as per the Tribunal court order
  14. attend support groups for parents in my county
  15. apply for DLA and carer's allowance

By the time, she was in her teens, I was dealing with 40 professionals and public sector agencies like the school, the LA, Social Services, and the DWP - arranging appointments, reading reports, liaising between them, attending multi-disciplinary meetings with any combination of the above, and filling in forms.

The whole SEN system, run by LAs is based on lying, cheating and bullying parents all to save money, about:

  1. the extent and severity of their child's needs - because their own professionals assess the needs; and they are under pressure from their employer to downplay the severity of the needs; and they cannot recommend anything but mainstream for the child, even though they need specialist provision
  2. their duties in law and the SEN Code of Practice to SEN children
  3. whatever lie comes into their heads - such as strong arming a mainstream school into taking a child, when the school says they can't meet the child's needs
  4. subjecting parents to extreme pressure in meetings to agree with the LA's attempts to save money
  5. referring parents to Social Services, claiming they have Munchausen's syndrome by proxy, because the parents say their child with autism needs x,y, z special provisions; and threatening to take the child into care

How often do parents of non-disabled parents have to make formal complaints to the board of governors of the school, formal complaints to the LA, appeal to the courts because their child is not getting the education, they are entitled to by law, and formal complaints to the Local Government Ombudsman? How many times have you had to do this @Goodtogossip ?

How often when you get home from work @Goodtogossip , have you had to carry out programmes sent to you by the speech and language therapist, occupational therapist and physiotherapist, with your non-disabled child?

How much time @Goodtogossip , have you had to spend studying a Code of Practice and the law, to find out what education your child should be getting by law; and how much the school and LA are lying to you, about what they should be doing?

How often have you @Goodtogossip had to attend parenting workshops and courses, so you can understand the complexities of your child's SEN. Its like being given a child from Mars to bring up, without a handbook - when you can't understand what they say, what they want, why they are crying, how to teach them anything or what they are trying to say to you; because they are nothing like "normal" children; and it takes a whole different way of thinking, communicating and negotiating with them?

How much has it cost you to get your child @Goodtogossip , the education they are legally entitled to? What if the LA said to you, that all the local comprehensives are full, so they are sending your "normal" child to the local special school, where they won't be able to do the national curriculum, won't have any peers, and can't do GCSEs? What would your reaction be - disbelief most likely, and then outrage? Parents of SEN children face this all the time - hence having to read up on the law, make the complaints, take court actions, etc.

Thank you for taking the time to explain all of this. These are things that you don't hear about very often so it makes sense that some parents of SEN children don't have time to work.

Frowningprovidence · 11/12/2024 15:24

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:12

Can you list things a SEN Mum would do that a Non SEN Mum would do for their child so I have a better understanding of the difference please?

What if they are the exact same things but the frequency and duration is higher for SEN so employers aren't happy.
(Eg appointments and paperwork).

Or the exact same things but you can multitask if a child does not have sen so can achieve two things in the time it takes to do one without much more effort

(Eg I can clean, cook and shop at the exact same time as looking after a typical child. Some parents can not do anything other than watch their child)

Rosscameasdoody · 11/12/2024 15:25

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:22

Thank you for taking the time to explain all of this. These are things that you don't hear about very often so it makes sense that some parents of SEN children don't have time to work.

Getting it now are we ? Many parents have been on saying the same thing. But still you banged on with your offensive point of view. If you had any experience of what it takes to be a parent to a disabled child you would have known all of this.

FestiveFruitloop · 11/12/2024 15:26

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:12

Can you list things a SEN Mum would do that a Non SEN Mum would do for their child so I have a better understanding of the difference please?

Look, who do you think you are to keep demanding information (and highly personal information at that) from people? No one owes you any kind of explanation of how they structure their lives. And I strongly doubt anyone on this thread cares about your judgement either.

SapphireOpal · 11/12/2024 15:29

Frowningprovidence · 11/12/2024 15:24

What if they are the exact same things but the frequency and duration is higher for SEN so employers aren't happy.
(Eg appointments and paperwork).

Or the exact same things but you can multitask if a child does not have sen so can achieve two things in the time it takes to do one without much more effort

(Eg I can clean, cook and shop at the exact same time as looking after a typical child. Some parents can not do anything other than watch their child)

This, but every time this has been pointed out to the OP she's bleated on about how she had to do all that "like all mums" but worked at the same time.

It's just not the same when

  1. your child is the size of a 10 year old but can't be left unsupervised while you make them a meal or fill in a form, and
  2. when the appointments and school absences are weekly, not a twice yearly dentists or opticians appointment and the occasional day off school with a sick bug
Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:29

SleeplessInWherever · 11/12/2024 15:14

Laughable.

I don’t mean to speak on anyone’s behalf here, but I too work and support our disabled child. I work 50+ hour weeks most of the year, alongside many many sleepless nights and relentless care needs.

I’m saying that because as a working SENd parent, you can shove that platitude you’re dishing out, and the fact you’re using it to attack someone else for making a different choice is absolutely disgusting.

Nothing laughable about draining an already struggling system. Another poster has explained her situation to me & it makes sense that she doesn't have time to work. In her case it's not a choice. My point is that some SEN parents can work, are able to but chose not too. It shouldn't be a choice. Why should people be able to chose for others to financially support them when there's people working full time, struggling financially & not entitled to any help? Should we all chose not to work & live on benefits? Good on you for working & for providing for your family. I have nothing against anyone claiming if they need to but when you claim & are capable of helping yourself then yes I don't agree.

SapphireOpal · 11/12/2024 15:30

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:29

Nothing laughable about draining an already struggling system. Another poster has explained her situation to me & it makes sense that she doesn't have time to work. In her case it's not a choice. My point is that some SEN parents can work, are able to but chose not too. It shouldn't be a choice. Why should people be able to chose for others to financially support them when there's people working full time, struggling financially & not entitled to any help? Should we all chose not to work & live on benefits? Good on you for working & for providing for your family. I have nothing against anyone claiming if they need to but when you claim & are capable of helping yourself then yes I don't agree.

@Goodtogossip you still haven't answered me about your maternity leave?

WouldiwantThat · 11/12/2024 15:32

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:29

Nothing laughable about draining an already struggling system. Another poster has explained her situation to me & it makes sense that she doesn't have time to work. In her case it's not a choice. My point is that some SEN parents can work, are able to but chose not too. It shouldn't be a choice. Why should people be able to chose for others to financially support them when there's people working full time, struggling financially & not entitled to any help? Should we all chose not to work & live on benefits? Good on you for working & for providing for your family. I have nothing against anyone claiming if they need to but when you claim & are capable of helping yourself then yes I don't agree.

thank goodness you are here to verify things then !

SapphireOpal · 11/12/2024 15:32

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:29

Nothing laughable about draining an already struggling system. Another poster has explained her situation to me & it makes sense that she doesn't have time to work. In her case it's not a choice. My point is that some SEN parents can work, are able to but chose not too. It shouldn't be a choice. Why should people be able to chose for others to financially support them when there's people working full time, struggling financially & not entitled to any help? Should we all chose not to work & live on benefits? Good on you for working & for providing for your family. I have nothing against anyone claiming if they need to but when you claim & are capable of helping yourself then yes I don't agree.

Because it's not up to you as the self-appointed benefits police to decide whether someone "can" work or not, thank fuck.

Carers allowance is £80 a week. No-one is doing it as an easy, cushy lifestyle choice.

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:34

FestiveFruitloop · 11/12/2024 15:26

Look, who do you think you are to keep demanding information (and highly personal information at that) from people? No one owes you any kind of explanation of how they structure their lives. And I strongly doubt anyone on this thread cares about your judgement either.

Show me a post where I have 'demanded' information? I have asked if anyone is willing to explain to me why a person who is able to work choses not to. If they have valid reasons then fine, but using a child with SEN as an excuse not to work isn't right. Everyone is in a different position & me asking why some can & some can't work isn't demanding. You're right no one owes me anything, & I don't ask anything of anyone because I provide for my family myself by going out to work! I am able to so chose to!

ThereIsALifeOutThere · 11/12/2024 15:34

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:29

Nothing laughable about draining an already struggling system. Another poster has explained her situation to me & it makes sense that she doesn't have time to work. In her case it's not a choice. My point is that some SEN parents can work, are able to but chose not too. It shouldn't be a choice. Why should people be able to chose for others to financially support them when there's people working full time, struggling financially & not entitled to any help? Should we all chose not to work & live on benefits? Good on you for working & for providing for your family. I have nothing against anyone claiming if they need to but when you claim & are capable of helping yourself then yes I don't agree.

Some doesn’t mean all.

Who has made you able to judge what the OP can or can’t do based on a couple posts in this thread?
Unless it’s all based on assumptions, biases and prejudices of course.

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:36

ThereIsALifeOutThere · 11/12/2024 15:34

Some doesn’t mean all.

Who has made you able to judge what the OP can or can’t do based on a couple posts in this thread?
Unless it’s all based on assumptions, biases and prejudices of course.

You're right some doesn't mean all that's why my first post asked the OP why she wasn't working while her Son was at school.

SleeplessInWherever · 11/12/2024 15:36

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:29

Nothing laughable about draining an already struggling system. Another poster has explained her situation to me & it makes sense that she doesn't have time to work. In her case it's not a choice. My point is that some SEN parents can work, are able to but chose not too. It shouldn't be a choice. Why should people be able to chose for others to financially support them when there's people working full time, struggling financially & not entitled to any help? Should we all chose not to work & live on benefits? Good on you for working & for providing for your family. I have nothing against anyone claiming if they need to but when you claim & are capable of helping yourself then yes I don't agree.

That poster did you a good deed explaining herself to you, because nobody owes you a justification. I’m not quite sure who you think you are.

I almost passed out at work from exhaustion yesterday. Not tiredness, exhaustion. Someone in my house will have to give up work, it’ll be my partner, and whatever we qualify for we’ll be getting.

Until you’ve lived a single day in the shoes of those you’re criticising, keep it to yourself.

SapphireOpal · 11/12/2024 15:37

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:34

Show me a post where I have 'demanded' information? I have asked if anyone is willing to explain to me why a person who is able to work choses not to. If they have valid reasons then fine, but using a child with SEN as an excuse not to work isn't right. Everyone is in a different position & me asking why some can & some can't work isn't demanding. You're right no one owes me anything, & I don't ask anything of anyone because I provide for my family myself by going out to work! I am able to so chose to!

You are pressuring people into sharing that information by repeatedly banging on about how you just can't understand why people can't work, and refusing to accept that could be the case until people give you detailed information as to why they can't.

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:40

SapphireOpal · 11/12/2024 15:30

@Goodtogossip you still haven't answered me about your maternity leave?

I chose to have 14 weeks off work as I was breast feeding & because I wanted to bond with her.

Rosscameasdoody · 11/12/2024 15:41

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 14:59

Who was supporting me? I'd worked full time form 16 years old so had paid TAX & NI so had paid in to the system, so basically I was supporting myself for those few weeks & my employers were paying it so wasn't coming out of government funds.

Ah, so it’s fine for you, but not for others. Others commenting here have paid tax and NI and paid into the system. Why shouldn’t they draw out if they need to ? that’s the social contract - pay in when you can, fall back on it when you need to. Or has this concept escaped you ?

SapphireOpal · 11/12/2024 15:41

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:40

I chose to have 14 weeks off work as I was breast feeding & because I wanted to bond with her.

Supported by the state to bond with your child?! That's not what I pay my taxes for!

SleeplessInWherever · 11/12/2024 15:43

SapphireOpal · 11/12/2024 15:41

Supported by the state to bond with your child?! That's not what I pay my taxes for!

I want a refund. Why am I paying for someone to breast feed their child? Can’t the kid just feed themselves?

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:43

SapphireOpal · 11/12/2024 15:37

You are pressuring people into sharing that information by repeatedly banging on about how you just can't understand why people can't work, and refusing to accept that could be the case until people give you detailed information as to why they can't.

If asking a question is pressuring god help you ever being asked something.

I'm not asking for personal info I was asking for examples of what SEN parents have to do different to non SEN parents that make it impossible for them to work.

WouldiwantThat · 11/12/2024 15:43

SleeplessInWherever · 11/12/2024 15:43

I want a refund. Why am I paying for someone to breast feed their child? Can’t the kid just feed themselves?

Also - you don’t breastfeed 24/7 so I’m unsure why @Goodtogossip couldn’t work in between feeds ?

SapphireOpal · 11/12/2024 15:44

Goodtogossip · 11/12/2024 15:43

If asking a question is pressuring god help you ever being asked something.

I'm not asking for personal info I was asking for examples of what SEN parents have to do different to non SEN parents that make it impossible for them to work.

And then trying to find holes in every example you were given.

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