If not Lurpak, what?

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I like the 'white' butter of Lurpak, as opposed to the 'yellow' of most. Can anyone recommend a decent alternative?

it is still unclear at this stage how much of the NOP-3 bioaccumulates in muscle and organ tissue. I would remind you that the decreased heart/ovary size in the second study was not classed as an 'adverse effect' and small amounts of it do actually pass into the milk but are not classed as high enough in volume as to be 'of concern'. One can't take all scientists' word for it. they are human too. Some are happy to take the money, some are compromised professionally and even when harmful things occur, big business likes to push ahead anyway as the compensation they have to pay out is dwarfed by the amount of money they can make. They knew that sheep infected with scrapie were being ground up to give to cows. It showed that there were issues in animal models yet it was still allowed to enter the food chain with the resultant BSE cases. Farmers can and do use natural alternatives to control methane in dairy and beef flocks. It is of course a natural process and is absorbed back into the ground (methane cycle) and breaks down. An easy way around it is to plant more trees but not much money in that for agro-industrial companies. Far more harmful are the gas/oil/coal fired power stations and plastics production

What's with that dreadful emoji that you keep using? Are you under the impression that it underlines your point because it comes across as very immature.

Again, what's it to you if people might instead switch to organic products?

I have a PhD in biochemistry and worked in research - that doesn't make me an expert on every aspect of biology. The same applies to you.

an additive so dangerous that humans have to wear gloves to handle it

People are, of course, free to consume whatever they choose. I have no argument with whether you eat Lurpak or drink Cravendale or not. But just to point out - all animal feeds that create any dust or powder require the use of gloves and masks. It’s a basic safety requirement. Nothing to do with it being any more dangerous than anything else. Get the facts straight at least.

PP wasn't triggered. Stop primary school level debating.

Not really and of course you are free to choose for yourself what you wish to ingest but to claim that this is completely safe in the absence of long term bovine/human studies is wrong.

It affects us all if people's decisions start to become motivated solely by scaremongering. That's obvious.

If scaremongering were particularly effective we'd all be wallowing in upf free, organic, vegan, joy-free bubble of purity. I think it's no big deal if some people seek out other foods.

Scaremongering is really effective though, more and more folk are taken in by conspiracies.
Making informed choices isn't the same.

As a scientist I'm sure you're aware that nothing is* *completely safe. 🤣

I agree clearly on the dust level but this is something more harmful especially in contact with mucosal tissue and even the US FDA warns that it could cause damage to male fertility and reproductive organs.

It's no skin off my nose if other people spend their money with a company that hasn't pissed them off.

Of course but there is not enough data to conclude that long term this is a safe additive. People can make their own choices but they should be given all of the available information for an informed choice. I would wager that the CEO's of the chemical company, Arla and other producers are not stocking dairy with this additive for their own and their children's consumption.

Exactly.

This seems like a suitable time to warn about the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide, which is everywhere and kills thousands of people every year, yet little is done to stop our exposure to it.

https://www.dhmo.org/

Lots of substances can potentially have harmful effects if wrongly administered though - wrong dosage, wrong delivery method, administration with some other substance which alters the effect. What we should be concerned with is actual effects when administered at the correct dose and in the correct manner. As a scientist you know that pretty any active substance has potential side effects.

Indeed. 😵‍💫

I didn't say it did but there are many people who may not have read the various papers on this.

Or people who've read them and are not interpreting them properly. 🫣

As a scientist you should not be making unfounded claims like that. I'm starting to wonder what your actual job really involves. 🫣

Absolutely but what I find quite insidious about this is that the additive was being trialled from July this year with certain large food suppliers and yet Joe Average had no idea about it. As I said previously, people are free to purchase and eat whatever they choose.

I think I know how to read a paper thanks.

Uhuh. 🤔

🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣 I’m wondering the same with you because you seem to be getting very worked up over people not choosing Arla products, now I wonder why that could be?

So is there a list of non Arla produced dairy products/companies? I dont live near a local farm or small business like this so am limited to supermarkets

I am not making unfounded claims unless you find two studies over 90 and 56 days respectively adequate and I am allowed to express a personal opinion. I get it, you personally don't mind it and are happy to buy it and drink/eat it.