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trans masculine non-binary

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myslippersarepink · 06/12/2024 18:25

The daily fail headline is Oppenheimer star Emma Dumont comes out as trans masculine non-binary and reveals new name
I won't link.

But what does trans masculine non binary mean?

Doesn't non binary mean you're neither of the two sexes? What is trans masculine? A trans man? If so, why use different words? And what do the two things mean together?

I'm so confused 😵‍💫

OP posts:
RanchRat · 07/12/2024 13:58

Try and educate yourself.

CompletelyALoan · 07/12/2024 14:01

RanchRat · 07/12/2024 13:58

Try and educate yourself.

About what ? Puffy pastry or genetics?

murasaki · 07/12/2024 14:04

RanchRat · 07/12/2024 13:58

Try and educate yourself.

Lots of us did. Which didn't work out so well for the TRAs.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/12/2024 14:05

RanchRat · 07/12/2024 13:58

Try and educate yourself.

Been there, done that.

jellybellysaregood · 07/12/2024 14:12

RanchRat · 07/12/2024 13:58

Try and educate yourself.

I did, which is why I'm gender critical

Skyrainlight · 07/12/2024 14:20

changedusernameforthis1 · 07/12/2024 13:32

I don't force others to use male pronouns. Of course on the days I "pass" I'm elated when someone does use them, but I don't correct anyone who uses female pronouns. I see it as my choice and not a choice I make for everyone else around me.

With the toilet issue, I have a disability so I use the disabled toilets but if I had to make a choice between ladies and mens then I would choose the mens, because I'm aware that some people do see me as male at first glance, others can see that I'm female, and I would never want to cause any kind of trauma or upset for a SA victim.

But feeling male is hard to explain. I guess if I asked you to imagine yourself walking through a park or the woods, you'd probably imagine yourself as you are, but I would automatically imagine myself in a biologically male body. I guess it's one of those things where I can't fully imagine what it's like to feel male because I'm not male, and I also can't explain what it feels like to feel like a trans male to someone who isn't.

Thank you for not forcing people to use pronouns. I think a respectful attitude from both sides creates respect and tolerance and so much pain and anger could be avoided if we all showed respect for differences of opinions/experiences.

changedusernameforthis1 · 07/12/2024 14:20

Goatymum · 07/12/2024 13:52

Did you split up because your ex was identifying as a different species. I mean I just about get identifying as another human gender, but an animal or fictional animal/character - no! That is 100% a mental health issue all of its own (I'm on the fence as to whether trans is a mental health issue, I think it probably depends on various factors).

No we didn't, although that actually would have done it. We dated briefly and I ended things because it just wasn't working out for me. We remained friends on SM though.

I think it would be beneficial if there was some kind of mental health therapy for trans people, especially for those who detransition later on, although I can imagine the uproar if that was announced. I know there are certain factors from my past, especially my childhood, that a lot of people believe causes people to be transgender, so I'd honestly welcome the input from a professional point of view.

SilverChampagne · 07/12/2024 14:25

that a lot of people believe causes people to be transgender
What are these?

BelperLawnmower · 07/12/2024 14:47

I'm always confused by the "non-binary" thing. Given that sex is unavoidably binary I'm assuming that this must mean the gender of the person. But isn't it in the nature of gender that it is never binary anyway, but a spectrum? Some men don't like football, some women don't wear make up, by those sorts of expectations very few people would need fully at one end of the spectrum or the other. So is it true that most people are non-binary on a "gender" basis?

DrudgeJedd · 07/12/2024 14:49

"finally started to feel more accepting of my body once I went on Testosterone - my voice deepened, I grew facial hair, my periods stopped completely and I had what's called bottom growth."
Can you explain this please, I've not heard this term before and it sounds quite specific to transmen so I doubt Google would help.

CompletelyALoan · 07/12/2024 14:50

Gender. Male or female.
Sex. Male or female.

PoissonOfTheChrist · 07/12/2024 14:52

DrudgeJedd · 07/12/2024 14:49

"finally started to feel more accepting of my body once I went on Testosterone - my voice deepened, I grew facial hair, my periods stopped completely and I had what's called bottom growth."
Can you explain this please, I've not heard this term before and it sounds quite specific to transmen so I doubt Google would help.

The clitoris growth experienced when taking testosterone.

CompletelyALoan · 07/12/2024 14:55

PoissonOfTheChrist · 07/12/2024 14:52

The clitoris growth experienced when taking testosterone.

Why would someone do that to themselves? Grim

BelperLawnmower · 07/12/2024 15:03

CompletelyALoan · 07/12/2024 14:50

Gender. Male or female.
Sex. Male or female.

This makes a lot of sense.

sweetydahling · 07/12/2024 19:13

Robotnik · 07/12/2024 09:12

People on this thread have suggested that someone who identifies this way must be very entitled, attention-seeking, young, autistic, naïve, a dickhead, or very unhappy. The non-binary trans-masculine person I know is none of those things. They're just a good, solid mate and one of my most reliable friends. They started taking testosterone/had surgery years and years ago and are the same person as before, just more comfortable in themselves.

Using they/them pronouns took some getting used to and I got it wrong a lot to begin with, that was about it.

You've missed out lesbian - so is your friend one of the many lesbians in the 4,400% increase in girls who've sought transition in the last decade?

It would be unsurprising when 70% of girls referred to the Tavistock gender clinic were same-sex attracted.

Whoyoutakingto · 07/12/2024 20:40

Robotnik · 06/12/2024 18:54

I don't know anything about this actress, but I do have a friend who's trans-masculine non-binary. They've had top surgery and take testosterone, and do not identify as either a man or woman. I don't find it any more complicated or confusing than anyone else's gender. They're not an attention-seeking person at all; they're very reserved.

I also found this confusing but thanks for explaining, I am from a generation where I understand the individual words but not when they are put together. As far as I am concerned everyone can and should be allowed to express themselves however they want.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/12/2024 22:08

As far as I am concerned everyone can and should be allowed to express themselves however they want.

I'm sure we all agree on that, it's where they impinge on the rights of others that's the problem.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 08/12/2024 13:04

@changedusernameforthis1 thank you for your posts. Balanced, insightful, respectful of others and reasonable, which I'm sorry to say is very badly lacking in the whole damn issue.

Long ago I knew a few transwomen acquaintances and tbh given that they too behaved with a lot of respect, they seemed fine. But the way the issue has gone in the last years, it's a nightmare for women. It's a relief to see that a moderate, good -humoured and balanced voice still exists.

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