trans masculine non-binary

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The daily fail headline is Oppenheimer star Emma Dumont comes out as trans masculine non-binary and reveals new name
I won't link.

But what does trans masculine non binary mean?

Doesn't non binary mean you're neither of the two sexes? What is trans masculine? A trans man? If so, why use different words? And what do the two things mean together?

I'm so confused 😵‍💫

Never heard of her but it appears she's 30. Isn't she a bit old for all this?

All this really concerns me and it must be, in some cases, poor mental health. I'm not denouncing the few that are tormented by being in the wrong body and have gone through a robust process.

In part it must be attention seeking, feeling special, getting validation but this must impact internally.

There's a great documentary with two male to female and back to male transgender people.

And don't get me started on this cis nonsense. I'm a woman.

It also, once again, pushes the women's agenda further down.

Entitled, self indulgent and doesn’t have a enough to actually worry about?

Sorry, what is this meant to prove in relation to my post?

There is nothing normal about having to take testosterone to change your body. It's frankly stupid and dangerous.

What they are is very disturbed. They are trying to eradicate the outward signs of their sex by having a mastectomy and taking make hormones. How we've got to the point whereby surgeons and doctors will carry out such procedures on people is beyond me - it’s Mengele writ large!

The camera never lies 😂

You could just look this up and learn a bit about the human condition.

Like what? That some women think they're too special to call themselves women?

Maybe read the whole post if you really don’t understand what I meant.

What do you think the NB person who objects to “being treated like a woman” means by that?

Laughed so hard I read this out to DH. 🤣
Damn right. You've hit the nail in the head.

Agree. Even the wording of that article is off, it doesn't know what it's talking about, presume it means trans men. Trans males would be the XY ones trying to look like women.

That pic of Jude is rubbish too. The angled face, raised eyebrows, typical female piercings in ears (no jewellery) and nose, style/colour of glasses. As well as the general softness of the face. It all screams female.

I've no wish to educate myself on the fashionable word salads currently in use by a bunch of narcissistic navel-gazing fantasists. Unlike those sad-sacks, I have a life to live.

That pic of Jude is rubbish too. The angled face, raised eyebrows, typical female piercings in ears (no jewellery) and nose, style/colour of glasses. As well as the general softness of the face. It all screams female.

Agree, just a picture of a woman with short hair.

People on this thread have suggested that someone who identifies this way must be very entitled, attention-seeking, young, autistic, naïve, a dickhead, or very unhappy. The non-binary trans-masculine person I know is none of those things. They're just a good, solid mate and one of my most reliable friends. They started taking testosterone/had surgery years and years ago and are the same person as before, just more comfortable in themselves.

Using they/them pronouns took some getting used to and I got it wrong a lot to begin with, that was about it.

And the new additions to what exactly is “being treated like a woman” includes not being allowed to object to men in women's private spaces because it's seen as "phobic" to not want to get undressed in front of a strange man. To no longer be allowed to vocalise the desire to have the rights of safety, dignity and privacy, or fair play in sport, without significant blowback from those who promote "rights" and "kindness" (but only if you agree with their official party line of course, otherwise it's bullying, threats and defamation all the way).

What's the difference between what Emma’s done, what you've done, and what your ex has done?

Exactly what I think.

I wouldn’t have the patience for that.

The non-binary trans-masculine person I know is none of those things.

You know your friend in a way none of us do. And we will all decide for ourselves whether to perceive your description as objective. But "non binary" isn't a coherent concept, your friend just wants people to see them as a man, which is why they've had a double mastectomy and are taking male sex hormones.

Both you and your friend also seem to have a rather odd perception of what being a woman is.

The younger the better, if they can get to kids as early as possible and start the indoctrination and implanting confusion it works best.
Female Tom Boy = Transman
Sensitive Boy = Transwoman
Gay boy = Transwoman
Lesbian = Transman or at the very least still needs to attracted to a TW (man) because her desires are not important, if she isn't attracted to the TW (man) she is transphobic. It's completely homophobic.

This stereotyping is absolute bollocks, a girl can enjoy playing football. A boy can be sensitive. A lesbian is not really meant to be a man. The world has literelly gone mad and is making anything out of a very specific stereotype to be 'in the wrong body'. People are meant to be different not walking stereotypes.

I think being a woman is a wonderful thing. But life has taught me that it can lead to poor treatment in various ways.

What does being treated as a woman mean to you?

I would assume it means that person has way too much time on their hands and spends most of it navel-gazing.

Sure, I'm the only one here that knows my friend. But I'm at least talking from a sample size of 1, whereas most people here who are using unpleasant words to describe non-binary transmasculine people are saying that they don't know any, so are talking from a sample size of 0.

I don't know why I'm posting really. I guess I'm a bit shocked to realise this is the kind of thing my friend must encounter all the time. Like, when they meet someone and their pronouns come up, that other person might assume my friend is all the things people have said on this thread: egotistical, disturbed, attention-seeking, deeply unhappy, etc.

But it's not like anyone who thinks that is going to read my posts and instead think "well, that one Mumsnet poster knew a NB trans-masc person who was awesome so perhaps I'll give them a chance". I'm no keyboard warrior so I'll stop wasting my time and leave the thread.

Top surgery? Don’t you mean a voluntary mastectomy? Let’s not sugarcoat the brutal treatments these disturbed individuals voluntarily undergo.

As for trans masculine, utterly nonsensical.

I like Jude's videos. First time one popped up on my feed it was obvious she was a woman despite announcing at the start of every video that she's a queer man. As her channel has become popular she's deleted videos/photos pre testosterone. It's like she's ashamed of being a woman.