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trans masculine non-binary

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myslippersarepink · 06/12/2024 18:25

The daily fail headline is Oppenheimer star Emma Dumont comes out as trans masculine non-binary and reveals new name
I won't link.

But what does trans masculine non binary mean?

Doesn't non binary mean you're neither of the two sexes? What is trans masculine? A trans man? If so, why use different words? And what do the two things mean together?

I'm so confused 😵‍💫

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Panicmode1 · 06/12/2024 21:05

BalladOfBarry · 06/12/2024 20:20

Meanwhile, the women of Afghanistan..

1 million%, this!!

murasaki · 06/12/2024 21:35

Surely in order to be trans there needs to be a binary to transverse. So this is utter unmitigated bollocks.

LuckyCharm9 · 06/12/2024 21:36

MagpiePi · 06/12/2024 18:35

It means ‘I have pronouns in lieu of a personality’

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Yellowbananasarebetterthangreen · 06/12/2024 21:37

trans masc non binary = a confused person who thinks they are special.

JollyTallTeddy · 06/12/2024 21:43

SnakesAndArrows · 06/12/2024 19:38

What exactly is “being treated like a woman”? Being expected to do all the wife work? Being sexually harassed? Being patronised and ignored by male engineers? Being paid less than men? Being afraid of men? Being expected to wear heels?

Well, we’re all fucked off with that shit, but I don’t think the answer is to take cross sex hormones and destroy our physical health.

Quite! Excellent post.

sillything · 07/12/2024 03:09

I do know, by now, that "trans-masculine" and "non-binary" are completely immaterial, self-attributed labels.

But it's still funny that such a perfectly normative, feminine heterosexual woman would call herself that 😄

There's absolutely nothing wrong with dresses, mini-skirts, high-heels, make-up or cleavage. Yet I've never used any of those, am a lesbian, but it turns out I'm just a normie bore when compared to revolutionary Emma.

Such as shame she'll still be "Emma" as far as the job market goes. It's almost as if she doesn't believe her own self-identification is part of the real world.

It's almost as if it's all just a crude PR maneuver.

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sillything · 07/12/2024 03:27

CompletelyALoan · 06/12/2024 20:43

No problem with them living anyway they like but she is lying to viewers.

That's a "trans man"?

Back in my time (which wasn't long ago), trans men would've gone through a rigorous diagnosis, would never be "late bloomers", never let themselves be photographed pre-transition, and would never feel so unabashedly female.

I guess things have really changed then.

username299 · 07/12/2024 03:32

But what does trans masculine non binary mean?

It means I want to make headlines and be discussed.

IdylicDay · 07/12/2024 03:46

Robotnik · 06/12/2024 18:54

I don't know anything about this actress, but I do have a friend who's trans-masculine non-binary. They've had top surgery and take testosterone, and do not identify as either a man or woman. I don't find it any more complicated or confusing than anyone else's gender. They're not an attention-seeking person at all; they're very reserved.

n/m. Answered already.

VaddaABeetch · 07/12/2024 03:59

Refresh Rebrand. Facelifts are so 2022 darling

lonelywater · 07/12/2024 04:14

im always grateful for these announcements-saves time identifying the twats that walk amongst us.

JessaWoo · 07/12/2024 04:27

myslippersarepink · 06/12/2024 18:25

The daily fail headline is Oppenheimer star Emma Dumont comes out as trans masculine non-binary and reveals new name
I won't link.

But what does trans masculine non binary mean?

Doesn't non binary mean you're neither of the two sexes? What is trans masculine? A trans man? If so, why use different words? And what do the two things mean together?

I'm so confused 😵‍💫

If, by chance, this was an actual question - it just means this person feels they tip more into a masculine identity rather than a female one, if there is a gender identity at all.

Of course, this can change, as we all do as we grow and age.

CheeseTime · 07/12/2024 04:36

It does seem rather incompatible with being an actor. Don’t casting directors send out lists of what their characters should be like? As in. Elderly Korean woman or 10 year old American boy?
If identity is all defining then how is that compatible with casting?
There are already arguments from the ever offended that casting directors should choose people who ARE what the character is playing. E.g. gay. But when it comes to gender we are supposed to agree that reality is irrelevant?
(Then we end up with a woman playing Freddie Miles and confusing and distracting everyone from the plot).

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 07/12/2024 04:43

I was watching an episode of Grey’s Anatomy where one of the interns turned out to also be a computer hacker who had got into trouble for hacking the DMV database to change their sex on their driving licence from ‘female’ to ‘male’. Because apparently they wanted to control when they told people they were a trans man. And it was presented as this stunning and brave revelatory moment and all I could think was - there isn’t a single person who can’t instantly tell that you’re a trans man. They don’t need to look at your driving licence to be able to spot that your biological sex is female, despite the thin beard and lack of breasts.

And it just made me really sad, actually, thinking about all these people so desperately trying to convince themselves and everyone else that something which can never be true is in fact true - that they’ve actually succeeded in changing sex. I feel the same when I look at Elliot Page: they used to be a beautiful, healthy looking woman; now they’re a rather haunted looking person with no breasts and short hair - but not actually a man. It’s so sad, to be so troubled and unhappy in yourself that cutting off healthy body parts and taking hormones for life seems like the better option. And it’s even sadder that the current narrative around it is to applaud such actions as tremendously brave and authentic and living your truth and all the other 21st century pop psychology that gets spouted.

thewrongsister · 07/12/2024 04:43

It means they're an attention seeking dickhead. I don't even know who she/he/it is. Not does anyone else, which is why they had to use the film reference to give people some idea. I guess her/his/it's career could do with a boost and getting your name into the papers somehow maybe helps? Why else not just quietly change you name, start using it and tell your mates when you next see them, and just get on with your life. There's really no need for anyone to be announcing this shite as if anyone cares.

Begsthequestion · 07/12/2024 04:45

You could just look this up and learn a bit about the human condition.

Instead you revel in your ignorance, and sound old and out of touch.

Begsthequestion · 07/12/2024 05:12

SnakesAndArrows · 06/12/2024 19:38

What exactly is “being treated like a woman”? Being expected to do all the wife work? Being sexually harassed? Being patronised and ignored by male engineers? Being paid less than men? Being afraid of men? Being expected to wear heels?

Well, we’re all fucked off with that shit, but I don’t think the answer is to take cross sex hormones and destroy our physical health.

Is that what you think a woman is?

Sounds really anti -women.

Begsthequestion · 07/12/2024 05:13

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 07/12/2024 04:43

I was watching an episode of Grey’s Anatomy where one of the interns turned out to also be a computer hacker who had got into trouble for hacking the DMV database to change their sex on their driving licence from ‘female’ to ‘male’. Because apparently they wanted to control when they told people they were a trans man. And it was presented as this stunning and brave revelatory moment and all I could think was - there isn’t a single person who can’t instantly tell that you’re a trans man. They don’t need to look at your driving licence to be able to spot that your biological sex is female, despite the thin beard and lack of breasts.

And it just made me really sad, actually, thinking about all these people so desperately trying to convince themselves and everyone else that something which can never be true is in fact true - that they’ve actually succeeded in changing sex. I feel the same when I look at Elliot Page: they used to be a beautiful, healthy looking woman; now they’re a rather haunted looking person with no breasts and short hair - but not actually a man. It’s so sad, to be so troubled and unhappy in yourself that cutting off healthy body parts and taking hormones for life seems like the better option. And it’s even sadder that the current narrative around it is to applaud such actions as tremendously brave and authentic and living your truth and all the other 21st century pop psychology that gets spouted.

Sounds like you haven't met many trans men. Or, at least, you don't think you have. But you really don't know.

Begsthequestion · 07/12/2024 05:15

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 07/12/2024 04:43

I was watching an episode of Grey’s Anatomy where one of the interns turned out to also be a computer hacker who had got into trouble for hacking the DMV database to change their sex on their driving licence from ‘female’ to ‘male’. Because apparently they wanted to control when they told people they were a trans man. And it was presented as this stunning and brave revelatory moment and all I could think was - there isn’t a single person who can’t instantly tell that you’re a trans man. They don’t need to look at your driving licence to be able to spot that your biological sex is female, despite the thin beard and lack of breasts.

And it just made me really sad, actually, thinking about all these people so desperately trying to convince themselves and everyone else that something which can never be true is in fact true - that they’ve actually succeeded in changing sex. I feel the same when I look at Elliot Page: they used to be a beautiful, healthy looking woman; now they’re a rather haunted looking person with no breasts and short hair - but not actually a man. It’s so sad, to be so troubled and unhappy in yourself that cutting off healthy body parts and taking hormones for life seems like the better option. And it’s even sadder that the current narrative around it is to applaud such actions as tremendously brave and authentic and living your truth and all the other 21st century pop psychology that gets spouted.

What was that you were saying?

https://www.out.com/photography/2018/9/13/18-portraits-trans-male-models-represent-strength-confidence#rebelltitem2

18 Portraits of Trans Male Models That Represent Strength & Confidence

https://www.out.com/photography/2018/9/13/18-portraits-trans-male-models-represent-strength-confidence#rebelltitem2

JollyTallTeddy · 07/12/2024 06:16

That's the sort of tra propaganda that leads naive young women into thinking they can change sex. They can't. That's photoshop and a shed load of of testosterone which we know is extremely damaging to female bodies in such doses @Begsthequestion

IdylicDay · 07/12/2024 06:18

Begsthequestion · 07/12/2024 04:45

You could just look this up and learn a bit about the human condition.

Instead you revel in your ignorance, and sound old and out of touch.

And you sound rude, ageist and ignorant. And btw, since this is all nonsense to vast overwhelming majority of people, no, its not the OP who is out of touch.

JollyTallTeddy · 07/12/2024 06:19

Begsthequestion · 07/12/2024 05:12

Is that what you think a woman is?

Sounds really anti -women.

No, we don't think that's what a woman is. But we all have experience in how women are treated. If naive (often autistic) young women are groomed to think they can opt out of that, they will.

IdylicDay · 07/12/2024 06:21

Yeah, photoshop is a great thing isn't it.

Its in motion in real life where its obvious right then and there. It's the gait, as well as voice, height, male vs female facial skull/jaw bone, limb length, adams apple etc etc.

MayorOfHuyton · 07/12/2024 06:41

Begsthequestion · 07/12/2024 04:45

You could just look this up and learn a bit about the human condition.

Instead you revel in your ignorance, and sound old and out of touch.

The thing about being old is we've seen and experienced a lot. We've lived through various fashions and fads, we know how our own views have changed as we pass through another decade.

I've often noticed it used as an insult by TRAs though, as if youth is something far more valuable. Can you explain why that might be?