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mathanxiety · 02/12/2024 18:14

noise25 · 02/12/2024 17:52

I think it's tragic. Americans - and particularly rich ones - are obsessed by class and European culture. What they don't realise is that no one here subscribes to that shit anymore.

Or so many Britons believe.

Americans have their own world of class and privilege. The great American swish exists without any reference to Europe or the UK, and has for more than a century now.

Rewis · 02/12/2024 18:26

WinterMorn · 02/12/2024 12:57

I thought Chris Martin was all about equality and make poverty history? All sits a bit uncomfortably with me.

Well in the end of the day he's super rich person from a privileged background. Who had children with someone even richer and even more privileged background. Rich people be rich, even if they're wearing make poverty history wristbands.

Plastictrees · 02/12/2024 18:28

Rewis · 02/12/2024 18:26

Well in the end of the day he's super rich person from a privileged background. Who had children with someone even richer and even more privileged background. Rich people be rich, even if they're wearing make poverty history wristbands.

People love to go on a poverty safari - it is so culturally enriching for them.

TomatoSandwiches · 02/12/2024 18:31

LadyWiddiothethird · 02/12/2024 17:04

Who would refer to Chris Martin as “fading pop star”?

Perhaps they had his hairline in mind?

SybilTheSpy · 02/12/2024 18:44

mathanxiety · 02/12/2024 18:14

Or so many Britons believe.

Americans have their own world of class and privilege. The great American swish exists without any reference to Europe or the UK, and has for more than a century now.

Is cotillion still a thing in the South?

Butchyrestingface · 02/12/2024 19:00

Maybe Apple, her maw, paw and grandmaw are all in the CIA or MI5 and the whole acting/singing lark is just a front for their covert espionage heroics. Pampered Goopster by day, Jamesina Bond by night, that sort of thing. MI5 have got wind of an international jewel thief operation at the debutant ball in Paris.

What better way to smoke them out than send in the Apple Martinis? Shaken, not stirred.

That lassie who was barged out the way in front of all the cameras was actually about to have all her swag lifted by the jewel thieves before Apple saved the day, selflessly throwing herself in the line of the paps' fire. Daddy Chris is running interference by boring everyone to death in the background. Gwynnie meanwhile continue to act as mad as a consciously uncoupled March hare to put everyone off the scent. Grandma does all the heavy lifting on the karate moves.

Stranger things have happened at sea. Grin

mathanxiety · 02/12/2024 19:15

@SybilTheSpy
They are an important rite of passage for middle class African American girls, along with debutantes balls. They came about as African Americans tried to shake off negative stereotypes, particularly those associated with African American women.

There are debutantes balls (aka charity events involving the well off) in many cities, but they're a bigger deal in the South than anywhere else.

They're basically an introduction to the ladies who lunch set and the country club lifestyle, preparing young women (and their male escorts) to take their place on committees that run charities, do a huge amount of fundraising for local and national charities in areas like the arts, education, hospice, etc., which is mainly accomplished by developing connections, engaging in a social whirl that they organise, which generates charitable contributions.

I noted that Apple Martin has joined a sorority at Vanderbilt - Kappa Kappa Gamma (aka Visa Visa Mastercard). Cotillions and debutantes balls are nothing compared to sororities and sorority life, Rush week, etc. I don't think anything like American style fraternities or sororities exist anywhere else. There is an entire vocabulary associated with frats and sororities that is pretty much unknown outside of the US.

One of my DDs pledged a sorority, for reasons I still can't fathom.

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noise25 · 02/12/2024 19:29

Well @mathanxiety my personal experience would lead me to believe otherwise. Why on earth would a young girl of British and supposedly upper class US descent head to Paris for some sort of societal validation? It's beyond me.

User14March · 02/12/2024 19:33

The Vogue alliance/promotional is surely the main driver?

noise25 · 02/12/2024 19:36

The funniest thing is that people who put their children into these meat markets don't actually realise that the genuine aristocracy would run a mile from any of it. In fact my personal experience has been that people will HIDE where where went to school or who their family is. That's a normal thing in a society where upper class is not a thing to trade on. Even if in reality it does give you privilege, no one usually does this sort of thing. It's just a bit tacky.

Wintersgirl · 02/12/2024 19:41

QuickMember · 02/12/2024 12:59

I found it all so bizarre and think Apple comes across as very entitled. Which word salad Gwyneth thinks is a good thing, as she talks about the confidence of girls these days. Well, certain girls who are in their own bubble..

Yeah there's a fine line between confidence and arrogance...

Lallydallydune · 02/12/2024 19:50

I wish I was her age again! And being all excited going put for my first nights out.

As they say- youth is wasted on the young. I didn't think "this is an amazing time" when I was her age. I was just stressed about stuff

PlopSofa · 02/12/2024 20:03

Lifeomars · 02/12/2024 16:12

That's what I think when I look at the Beckham kids, every advantage that money and contacts can obtain and yet they all seem to be going down the "sell you life to the media" as a career choice.

They’ve got no other talents and filming yourself sticking it online - it’s a very low barrier to entry.

No one would watch one second if they didn’t have famous parents.

They are incredibly dull.

noise25 · 02/12/2024 20:06

Lallydallydune · 02/12/2024 19:50

I wish I was her age again! And being all excited going put for my first nights out.

As they say- youth is wasted on the young. I didn't think "this is an amazing time" when I was her age. I was just stressed about stuff

Well yes, in the local pub or a school event. Not at the most expensive hotel in Paris. It speaks to a whole other world where youth is quite literally turned into something else.

coxesorangepippin · 02/12/2024 20:22

Just seen this

Not sure if this has been linked

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14148333/amp/apple-martin-debutante-ball-paris.html

coxesorangepippin · 02/12/2024 20:22

Apple looks hard work

Trendyname · 02/12/2024 20:23

Butchyrestingface · 02/12/2024 19:00

Maybe Apple, her maw, paw and grandmaw are all in the CIA or MI5 and the whole acting/singing lark is just a front for their covert espionage heroics. Pampered Goopster by day, Jamesina Bond by night, that sort of thing. MI5 have got wind of an international jewel thief operation at the debutant ball in Paris.

What better way to smoke them out than send in the Apple Martinis? Shaken, not stirred.

That lassie who was barged out the way in front of all the cameras was actually about to have all her swag lifted by the jewel thieves before Apple saved the day, selflessly throwing herself in the line of the paps' fire. Daddy Chris is running interference by boring everyone to death in the background. Gwynnie meanwhile continue to act as mad as a consciously uncoupled March hare to put everyone off the scent. Grandma does all the heavy lifting on the karate moves.

Stranger things have happened at sea. Grin

Edited

You've got great talent 👏

Lallydallydune · 02/12/2024 20:23

noise25 · 02/12/2024 20:06

Well yes, in the local pub or a school event. Not at the most expensive hotel in Paris. It speaks to a whole other world where youth is quite literally turned into something else.

I don't mind her going to a ball in Paris.

Sure she's rich. Rich is gonna rich.

We could point out the unfairness of her having so much, while others have so little,

But there has always been rich and poor people on Earth. It's a world of mixed wealth

noise25 · 02/12/2024 20:24

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Joking. She's 18 - she's not to blame. It's her vastly over reaching mother desperate to insert her daughter into euro society. Yuck

Lallydallydune · 02/12/2024 20:24

I still think that Apple is an awful name though.

Justleaveitblankthen · 02/12/2024 20:31

Lallydallydune · 02/12/2024 13:00

She's the image of her mother

Do you really think so?
I think she's the double of Chris. Same wide set eyes, same nose.

thenightsky · 02/12/2024 20:35

She looks a bit like Gwinney in pale colouring if you ignore the top lip. Her eyes are like her dad. Other than that, I'd not pick her out as either parents child.

ThePoshUns · 02/12/2024 20:54

They all looked lovely but an odd thing to be a part of. In fact I didn't know this was still a thing.