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I can't cope with depressed brother being so reliant on me. Feel like a bitch for saying that.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:47

I'm so sorry - this going to be so long - but I need to get this out. I'm up with this awful cough/chest infection which makes it impossible to lie down and sleep. Been ill since last Tuesday. Have had virtually no sleep since then. Pretty sure a lot of you will think I'm a heartless cow, but I'm getting to my wits end.

Context. My brother (quite significantly older than me) has suffered from depression since he was a teen. He has been on antidepressants since then, except for a couple of occasions when he's taken himself off them for one reason or another, which have ended up in disaster. He lives about 2.5 hours away from me.

For some years now he has been spending more and more time at my house with my DH, DD and I. He lives alone and came to stay with us during lock down, and has often come to stay with us, sometimes for weeks, off and on since then when he's feeling low or had a crappy couple of weeks (e.g. work stress). I've always said to him of course he can come, how can I not, but he's often then stayed and stayed, prolonging his stay without discussing it with me - just declaring he's not going to go home for another week at the end of his planned stay.

He has a fantastic job in the civil service, but has had lot and lots of absences for various ailments over the past couple of years and they are understandably getting serious about his attendance. He seems to think this is very unfair and how they just don't understand. I've tried gently - but seriously - to explain that you can indeed be dismissed for repeated or lengthy absences.

In May this year he started getting some odd physical symptoms - balance issues/vertigo mainly (other very vague things like feeling cold, and out of it) - I rushed down there to him when this initially happened as he took himself to hospital thinking he was having a stroke. Ultimately anything serious was ruled out and after taking him to a few appointments for some further checks I drove him back to mine to stay. He decided that these symptoms were due to his antidepressant (that he'd been on for 15 years), so agreed with his GP to reduce his dose to an incredibly small one (questionable that it was even therapeutic anymore - it was 1/4 of the starting dose, he had been on double the starting dose for 15 years). His physical symptoms did clear up eventually - he put this down to this reduction in his antidepressants - I wasn't so convinced. I also voiced my concern that he was now effectively not on antidepressants and we all know how that had ended up in the past and that he needed to push to try another antidepressant if he didn't want to go back to his old one.

He eventually went back home and to work, and was there for a few months until he started experiencing stomach issues, now diagnosed as IBS (which I know is not fun - I've had it for years myself) and yet again took himself off work. He was working with his GP and a dietician and put on the FODMAP diet which he's still on. Again, he came to ours for a few weeks. His work were getting very ancy by this time and he started to do some hours remotely from ours as he had no choice. Eventually he went home again, he was home for a week only then for his depression to increase so I told him to get an emergency appointment with his GP who told him to double his dose last week. Well all hell broke loose (assuming side effects of increasing the dose). I've been ill for a couple of months now with all these bloody relentless viruses (also been very anemic for a lot longer and recently had a couple of infusions and currently undergoing tests to find out why - so you can imagine how rough I've been feeling), but last Tuesday I came down with proper flu (raging temp etc.) and have been in bed since and have been mainly off work (doing work when needed from bed). I never take time off work, honestly have to be at deaths door - have subsequently developed a chest infection and am on antibiotics. Got a call from my brother at 5:30am on Wednesday with him feeling awful saying I needed to drive down and collect him, after explaining I couldn't as I was ill asked to speak to DH and asked him to go. I said to DH that he couldn't, he had work plus he was helping me out with a work event in the evening which I obviously couldn't attend any more but he still needed to arrange some stuff and be there for a short while. I put my foot down and said he had to either drive, get the train or wait until we could drive to him and if he was in crisis to call his local crisis team immediately. He eventually said he would drive as he couldn't fit all the stuff he wanted to bring in a backpack so the train was out (so he'd get obviously decided at that point he was coming for a while).

Since he's been with us he has been waking me up every morning at silly-o'clock (e.g. 5-6), as he's been experiencing massive anxiety. I've been woken up three times now to him standing in our bedroom crying and saying he can't cope. I am getting about 2 hours of sleep per night due to this chest infection anyway, and have usually only just dropped off when he's waking me up. At this rate I'm never going to get better. DH had to stop him coming into our bedroom the other day when I had eventually managed to doze off. Anyway, called the local out of hours crisis team yesterday morning and sat with him whilst he spoke to them, they're seeing him this morning and have told him to register as a temporary patient at my local GP and they are hopefully going to make a plan going forward - e.g. moving to a new antidepressant (I hope). On the phone he said to them he was going to stay with me indefinitely (no discussion with me) and can't see himself doing his job for some months.

In the past when he's had a crisis like this he's decamped to our parents who look after him for months whilst he recovers and he finds a new job - but he's decided that he finds it too stressful to stay with them (they're getting on now as well). I can see what is going to happen. He is going to loose his job, loose his rented flat as a result and have nowhere to live but here with us. So, unemployed, living with us indefinitely. And what choice do I have?

It's really stressful when he stays with us - just the whole dynamic/routine of the household goes out the window. He has always been single and as a result his life revolves around himself, he spreads himself and his things around the house, and changes/moves/breaks thing (little things, but they all add up) and gets argumentative when I ask him not to do something. My home just doesn't feel like my home anymore; I can't spend evenings chilling out lying on the sofa in front of the telly with DH, as we often do, he's often lying on the sofa watching TV himself, he smokes although takes himself outside but his clothes smell of smoke. He is in our small spare room (well, he's on the sofa tonight for some reason) which we had just recently decked out as DD's study as her bedroom isn't really big enough for a desk; she's finishing her mocks tomorrow and has her GCSEs in May - she has ADHD and it's been incredibly challenging for her academically, but we'd really turned a corner recently and she's determined to get into 6th form, I'm so worried all of this is going to upheave her, stress her out and affect her performance; she's been so proud of her achievements recently and I think if she does badly now what little confidence she'd recently gained will disappear.

I am pretty sure a straw will break the camel's back and I will end up loosing it with him at some point, or just getting incredibly stressed and ill (stress usually manifests itself physically with me as I just try to ignore it and push on through - I've had my own mental health battles). But how can I effectively abandon my depressed brother? I love him dearly, and want him to be well, but he's come to rely on me so heavily that it's becoming too much. He's really not helped himself; taking so much time off work for spurious reasons and now he really needs the time off they are challenging him and his job is in jeopardy; him not taking my advice about not going cold turkey on the antidepressants without a plan to start a new one; just the assumption that we can constantly put our lives on hold. DH is being incredibly understanding - but I can even see him getting frustrated by my brother over the past few months. DH also had a huge mental breakdown last year and attempted suicide twice, he's only just got back on some sort of even keel about 6 months ago but is still recovering. Jesus, what if HE ends up breaking down again and then I've got 2 men in crisis to look after?! I've got my own full time stressful job to do as well, plus a neurodivergent daughter to keep on track. I'm terrified! I honestly don't know what to do for the best. He has very good friends but they don't live in the same city as him, but other than them and my parents, we're all he has.

What the fuck do I do?

OP posts:
murasaki · 06/12/2024 15:54

Honeycrisp · 06/12/2024 15:52

I get that!

Wandering womb has another context, but MN really needs a similarly pithy term for males trying to hook the closest female for caring duties.

I think hobosexual is used quite often!

DistanceCall · 06/12/2024 15:56

schmeler · 06/12/2024 15:00

So basically what you are saying is there is a time limit because you want ppl to 'move on' or in other words (what move on means) is shut up about it?

Why is there a time limit on trauma?

Maybe if you understood about trauma informed support you might get somewhere.

I have read the thread. Maybe stop assuming like you keep doing.

Edited

Nobody chooses the circumstances they are born into, or the trauma resulting from those circumstances. It's not your fault. But it is your responsibility to deal with it.

OP's brother has no intention to take responsibility for his own life. OP has been a wonderful sister and tried to help him from a very young age. She shouldn't sacrifice her own life - or her family's wellbeing - for someone who won't help himself.

There is a time limit, yes. You can't expect people, even your closest relatives, to deal with your own shit forever.

Honeycrisp · 06/12/2024 16:00

murasaki · 06/12/2024 15:54

I think hobosexual is used quite often!

Isn't that partner specific? I'm thinking something with wider application.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

murasaki · 06/12/2024 16:02

Honeycrisp · 06/12/2024 16:00

Isn't that partner specific? I'm thinking something with wider application.

True, yes we need someone funnier than I am to come up with one that covers family members of all stripes.

Patterncarmen · 06/12/2024 16:07

inigomontoyahwillcox · 06/12/2024 14:40

I am going to continue to advocate for him, and facilitate his support as much as I can without exhausting myself further - but this will all be from afar. I understand now that the hospital are discussing patent transport to his home city and are talking to the hospital there about direct admission. I'm not counting my chickens yet - but if this comes off (patient transport to his local hospital) I will be punching the air.

I am so humbled by so many of you that have shared your own experiences. That is really generous of you to do that with your own very painful stories. I am also completely shocked about how many of you there are out there who have struggled with such very sick relatives and the toll that has taken on your own lives.

A couple of people mentioned a website - Out Of The Fog (OOTF) - I am going to take some time to sit down and trawl through it when I get a chance.

Good luck OP. Take care of yourself.

schmeler · 06/12/2024 16:10

thepariscrimefiles · 06/12/2024 15:17

Please explain what 'wandering womb' means in the context of OP's brother's illness.

Dotty cat said he had a personality disorder which is wandering womb. Same diagnosis. Neither proven to exist.

schmeler · 06/12/2024 16:11

TheGander · 06/12/2024 15:22

Where does dottycat123 mention wandering room? For information, it’s the literal translation of hysteria.

Which is the same diagnosis as personality disorder. Basically bull.

schmeler · 06/12/2024 16:12

SheilaFentiman · 06/12/2024 15:32

I think this was a misquote cos another poster mentioned it (and honestly I assumed that poster had her threads mixed up!)

Nope not muddled. This was about personality disorder is wandering womb. Einhorn is Finkle. Finkle is Einhorn.

Orangesandlemons77 · 06/12/2024 16:12

I don't really understand why you need to advocate for him etc OP, he is an intelligent person, job in the civil service etc, it is not like he has a learning disability or additional needs really. He seems perfectly capable of looking after his own needs.

schmeler · 06/12/2024 16:14

JennieTheZebra · 06/12/2024 15:31

I think she means that "personality disorder" =hysterical="wandering womb". While this isn't entirely nonsense (I'm actually doing my masters on something very similar), I do think there is certainly an element of emotional dysregulation and dependence within the OP's brother's presentation which may fit into a diagnosis of personality disorder. However, he needs properly assessing first-and a mood disorder is definitely not ruled out.

There is no test for this.

murasaki · 06/12/2024 16:17

schmeler · 06/12/2024 16:14

There is no test for this.

It doesn't really matter what diagnosis he has or doesn't have. What matters is that he doesn't get to exploit the OP, put extra pressure on her husband and daughter, and take no responsibility for himself.

And OP is on the way to achieving that, and not a second too soon.

TypingoftheDead · 06/12/2024 16:18

schmeler · 06/12/2024 16:11

Which is the same diagnosis as personality disorder. Basically bull.

Personality disorders actually do exist, though. So not “bull”.

schmeler · 06/12/2024 16:23

murasaki · 06/12/2024 16:17

It doesn't really matter what diagnosis he has or doesn't have. What matters is that he doesn't get to exploit the OP, put extra pressure on her husband and daughter, and take no responsibility for himself.

And OP is on the way to achieving that, and not a second too soon.

So it is a choice not uncontrollable then? Grand! Glad we agree!

schmeler · 06/12/2024 16:24

TypingoftheDead · 06/12/2024 16:18

Personality disorders actually do exist, though. So not “bull”.

If they existed we would have physical tests for them done when we go to the Drs. We do not.

schmeler · 06/12/2024 16:25

TypingoftheDead · 06/12/2024 16:18

Personality disorders actually do exist, though. So not “bull”.

The creators of the DSM-V admit that there are no biological markers for them.

If they exist, what tests prove they exist?

SheilaFentiman · 06/12/2024 16:26

Autumnleaveswhenthegrassisjewelled · 06/12/2024 15:42

I thought this too.

Oh maybe!

Orangesandlemons77 · 06/12/2024 16:27

I'm not sure if PDs are mental illness as such? I think, you can have a PD and then an illness along with it though.

Orangesandlemons77 · 06/12/2024 16:28

OP yes have a look at the out of the fog site in particular the Toolbox area, lots of useful stuff there. Best of luck.

DistanceCall · 06/12/2024 16:31

schmeler · 06/12/2024 16:25

The creators of the DSM-V admit that there are no biological markers for them.

If they exist, what tests prove they exist?

You might want to take your personal soapbox elsewhere. This is not about you and your views, it's about the OP.

Cupofcoffeee · 06/12/2024 16:32

inigomontoyahwillcox · 06/12/2024 14:40

I am going to continue to advocate for him, and facilitate his support as much as I can without exhausting myself further - but this will all be from afar. I understand now that the hospital are discussing patent transport to his home city and are talking to the hospital there about direct admission. I'm not counting my chickens yet - but if this comes off (patient transport to his local hospital) I will be punching the air.

I am so humbled by so many of you that have shared your own experiences. That is really generous of you to do that with your own very painful stories. I am also completely shocked about how many of you there are out there who have struggled with such very sick relatives and the toll that has taken on your own lives.

A couple of people mentioned a website - Out Of The Fog (OOTF) - I am going to take some time to sit down and trawl through it when I get a chance.

He expressed fantasies of hurting your daughter/his niece. Please go no contact. Please focus on your daughter and leave your brother to the authorities. He clearly will never change.

schmeler · 06/12/2024 16:33

DistanceCall · 06/12/2024 16:31

You might want to take your personal soapbox elsewhere. This is not about you and your views, it's about the OP.

I wasn't. It was called a reply. If you do not want a reply then do not make a statement! It isn't about you and your views yet here you are!

Oldrunner · 06/12/2024 16:34

schmeler · 06/12/2024 16:25

The creators of the DSM-V admit that there are no biological markers for them.

If they exist, what tests prove they exist?

Obviously difference of opinion here but don't think it's appropriate to nit pick over whether particular mental health disorders exist or not on this thread. Can't imagine it's helpful to the OP.
And perhaps she feels she needs to continue to advocate for her brother to ensure health professionals are made aware of the true home situation. She obviously can't trust her brother not to tell people he cannot stay at her house.

schmeler · 06/12/2024 16:35

Orangesandlemons77 · 06/12/2024 16:27

I'm not sure if PDs are mental illness as such? I think, you can have a PD and then an illness along with it though.

Struggling mentally is not an illness it is normal not abnormal. Stigma it appears is normal.

schmeler · 06/12/2024 16:36

Oldrunner · 06/12/2024 16:34

Obviously difference of opinion here but don't think it's appropriate to nit pick over whether particular mental health disorders exist or not on this thread. Can't imagine it's helpful to the OP.
And perhaps she feels she needs to continue to advocate for her brother to ensure health professionals are made aware of the true home situation. She obviously can't trust her brother not to tell people he cannot stay at her house.

Will you reply the same to the other posters who shared their opinion of it existing?

LeftWhisker · 06/12/2024 16:37

OT and I hope I am not offending you but opening of this thread reminds me of the character Sarah played by Laura Linney in Love Actually.