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I can't cope with depressed brother being so reliant on me. Feel like a bitch for saying that.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:47

I'm so sorry - this going to be so long - but I need to get this out. I'm up with this awful cough/chest infection which makes it impossible to lie down and sleep. Been ill since last Tuesday. Have had virtually no sleep since then. Pretty sure a lot of you will think I'm a heartless cow, but I'm getting to my wits end.

Context. My brother (quite significantly older than me) has suffered from depression since he was a teen. He has been on antidepressants since then, except for a couple of occasions when he's taken himself off them for one reason or another, which have ended up in disaster. He lives about 2.5 hours away from me.

For some years now he has been spending more and more time at my house with my DH, DD and I. He lives alone and came to stay with us during lock down, and has often come to stay with us, sometimes for weeks, off and on since then when he's feeling low or had a crappy couple of weeks (e.g. work stress). I've always said to him of course he can come, how can I not, but he's often then stayed and stayed, prolonging his stay without discussing it with me - just declaring he's not going to go home for another week at the end of his planned stay.

He has a fantastic job in the civil service, but has had lot and lots of absences for various ailments over the past couple of years and they are understandably getting serious about his attendance. He seems to think this is very unfair and how they just don't understand. I've tried gently - but seriously - to explain that you can indeed be dismissed for repeated or lengthy absences.

In May this year he started getting some odd physical symptoms - balance issues/vertigo mainly (other very vague things like feeling cold, and out of it) - I rushed down there to him when this initially happened as he took himself to hospital thinking he was having a stroke. Ultimately anything serious was ruled out and after taking him to a few appointments for some further checks I drove him back to mine to stay. He decided that these symptoms were due to his antidepressant (that he'd been on for 15 years), so agreed with his GP to reduce his dose to an incredibly small one (questionable that it was even therapeutic anymore - it was 1/4 of the starting dose, he had been on double the starting dose for 15 years). His physical symptoms did clear up eventually - he put this down to this reduction in his antidepressants - I wasn't so convinced. I also voiced my concern that he was now effectively not on antidepressants and we all know how that had ended up in the past and that he needed to push to try another antidepressant if he didn't want to go back to his old one.

He eventually went back home and to work, and was there for a few months until he started experiencing stomach issues, now diagnosed as IBS (which I know is not fun - I've had it for years myself) and yet again took himself off work. He was working with his GP and a dietician and put on the FODMAP diet which he's still on. Again, he came to ours for a few weeks. His work were getting very ancy by this time and he started to do some hours remotely from ours as he had no choice. Eventually he went home again, he was home for a week only then for his depression to increase so I told him to get an emergency appointment with his GP who told him to double his dose last week. Well all hell broke loose (assuming side effects of increasing the dose). I've been ill for a couple of months now with all these bloody relentless viruses (also been very anemic for a lot longer and recently had a couple of infusions and currently undergoing tests to find out why - so you can imagine how rough I've been feeling), but last Tuesday I came down with proper flu (raging temp etc.) and have been in bed since and have been mainly off work (doing work when needed from bed). I never take time off work, honestly have to be at deaths door - have subsequently developed a chest infection and am on antibiotics. Got a call from my brother at 5:30am on Wednesday with him feeling awful saying I needed to drive down and collect him, after explaining I couldn't as I was ill asked to speak to DH and asked him to go. I said to DH that he couldn't, he had work plus he was helping me out with a work event in the evening which I obviously couldn't attend any more but he still needed to arrange some stuff and be there for a short while. I put my foot down and said he had to either drive, get the train or wait until we could drive to him and if he was in crisis to call his local crisis team immediately. He eventually said he would drive as he couldn't fit all the stuff he wanted to bring in a backpack so the train was out (so he'd get obviously decided at that point he was coming for a while).

Since he's been with us he has been waking me up every morning at silly-o'clock (e.g. 5-6), as he's been experiencing massive anxiety. I've been woken up three times now to him standing in our bedroom crying and saying he can't cope. I am getting about 2 hours of sleep per night due to this chest infection anyway, and have usually only just dropped off when he's waking me up. At this rate I'm never going to get better. DH had to stop him coming into our bedroom the other day when I had eventually managed to doze off. Anyway, called the local out of hours crisis team yesterday morning and sat with him whilst he spoke to them, they're seeing him this morning and have told him to register as a temporary patient at my local GP and they are hopefully going to make a plan going forward - e.g. moving to a new antidepressant (I hope). On the phone he said to them he was going to stay with me indefinitely (no discussion with me) and can't see himself doing his job for some months.

In the past when he's had a crisis like this he's decamped to our parents who look after him for months whilst he recovers and he finds a new job - but he's decided that he finds it too stressful to stay with them (they're getting on now as well). I can see what is going to happen. He is going to loose his job, loose his rented flat as a result and have nowhere to live but here with us. So, unemployed, living with us indefinitely. And what choice do I have?

It's really stressful when he stays with us - just the whole dynamic/routine of the household goes out the window. He has always been single and as a result his life revolves around himself, he spreads himself and his things around the house, and changes/moves/breaks thing (little things, but they all add up) and gets argumentative when I ask him not to do something. My home just doesn't feel like my home anymore; I can't spend evenings chilling out lying on the sofa in front of the telly with DH, as we often do, he's often lying on the sofa watching TV himself, he smokes although takes himself outside but his clothes smell of smoke. He is in our small spare room (well, he's on the sofa tonight for some reason) which we had just recently decked out as DD's study as her bedroom isn't really big enough for a desk; she's finishing her mocks tomorrow and has her GCSEs in May - she has ADHD and it's been incredibly challenging for her academically, but we'd really turned a corner recently and she's determined to get into 6th form, I'm so worried all of this is going to upheave her, stress her out and affect her performance; she's been so proud of her achievements recently and I think if she does badly now what little confidence she'd recently gained will disappear.

I am pretty sure a straw will break the camel's back and I will end up loosing it with him at some point, or just getting incredibly stressed and ill (stress usually manifests itself physically with me as I just try to ignore it and push on through - I've had my own mental health battles). But how can I effectively abandon my depressed brother? I love him dearly, and want him to be well, but he's come to rely on me so heavily that it's becoming too much. He's really not helped himself; taking so much time off work for spurious reasons and now he really needs the time off they are challenging him and his job is in jeopardy; him not taking my advice about not going cold turkey on the antidepressants without a plan to start a new one; just the assumption that we can constantly put our lives on hold. DH is being incredibly understanding - but I can even see him getting frustrated by my brother over the past few months. DH also had a huge mental breakdown last year and attempted suicide twice, he's only just got back on some sort of even keel about 6 months ago but is still recovering. Jesus, what if HE ends up breaking down again and then I've got 2 men in crisis to look after?! I've got my own full time stressful job to do as well, plus a neurodivergent daughter to keep on track. I'm terrified! I honestly don't know what to do for the best. He has very good friends but they don't live in the same city as him, but other than them and my parents, we're all he has.

What the fuck do I do?

OP posts:
Sweetiedarling2024 · 06/12/2024 04:43

You have no boundaries and your brother thinks he can walk all over you. From the way you wrote the post, it sounded like your parents were dead and you were his only family.

Your brother sounds incredibly selfish, and spoilt. Why haven’t your parents intervened?

thewrongsister · 06/12/2024 05:06

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 22:31

Well the shit hit the fan. Had a call from the friend saying that he needs to go to hospital (no shit) as he's saying that he's going to explode and start trashing the place and hurting people.

I'm now in A&E with him. He's disclosed that he specifically feels like he's going to strangle my daughter. I'm very glad he's vocalised this as it cements in my and everyone's head that he can no longer be at my house. The nurse was very interested in my daughter and her ADHD status, took all her details, I also told her about DH being in recovery from a suicide attempt. We're now waiting for the mental health team.

OP don't be surprised if social services contacts you about your DD. I'm glad you've come to your senses and decided to prioritize her. I think they may have concerns because it seems DB has been the priority until now.

Harshtruth1111 · 06/12/2024 05:35

inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:47

I'm so sorry - this going to be so long - but I need to get this out. I'm up with this awful cough/chest infection which makes it impossible to lie down and sleep. Been ill since last Tuesday. Have had virtually no sleep since then. Pretty sure a lot of you will think I'm a heartless cow, but I'm getting to my wits end.

Context. My brother (quite significantly older than me) has suffered from depression since he was a teen. He has been on antidepressants since then, except for a couple of occasions when he's taken himself off them for one reason or another, which have ended up in disaster. He lives about 2.5 hours away from me.

For some years now he has been spending more and more time at my house with my DH, DD and I. He lives alone and came to stay with us during lock down, and has often come to stay with us, sometimes for weeks, off and on since then when he's feeling low or had a crappy couple of weeks (e.g. work stress). I've always said to him of course he can come, how can I not, but he's often then stayed and stayed, prolonging his stay without discussing it with me - just declaring he's not going to go home for another week at the end of his planned stay.

He has a fantastic job in the civil service, but has had lot and lots of absences for various ailments over the past couple of years and they are understandably getting serious about his attendance. He seems to think this is very unfair and how they just don't understand. I've tried gently - but seriously - to explain that you can indeed be dismissed for repeated or lengthy absences.

In May this year he started getting some odd physical symptoms - balance issues/vertigo mainly (other very vague things like feeling cold, and out of it) - I rushed down there to him when this initially happened as he took himself to hospital thinking he was having a stroke. Ultimately anything serious was ruled out and after taking him to a few appointments for some further checks I drove him back to mine to stay. He decided that these symptoms were due to his antidepressant (that he'd been on for 15 years), so agreed with his GP to reduce his dose to an incredibly small one (questionable that it was even therapeutic anymore - it was 1/4 of the starting dose, he had been on double the starting dose for 15 years). His physical symptoms did clear up eventually - he put this down to this reduction in his antidepressants - I wasn't so convinced. I also voiced my concern that he was now effectively not on antidepressants and we all know how that had ended up in the past and that he needed to push to try another antidepressant if he didn't want to go back to his old one.

He eventually went back home and to work, and was there for a few months until he started experiencing stomach issues, now diagnosed as IBS (which I know is not fun - I've had it for years myself) and yet again took himself off work. He was working with his GP and a dietician and put on the FODMAP diet which he's still on. Again, he came to ours for a few weeks. His work were getting very ancy by this time and he started to do some hours remotely from ours as he had no choice. Eventually he went home again, he was home for a week only then for his depression to increase so I told him to get an emergency appointment with his GP who told him to double his dose last week. Well all hell broke loose (assuming side effects of increasing the dose). I've been ill for a couple of months now with all these bloody relentless viruses (also been very anemic for a lot longer and recently had a couple of infusions and currently undergoing tests to find out why - so you can imagine how rough I've been feeling), but last Tuesday I came down with proper flu (raging temp etc.) and have been in bed since and have been mainly off work (doing work when needed from bed). I never take time off work, honestly have to be at deaths door - have subsequently developed a chest infection and am on antibiotics. Got a call from my brother at 5:30am on Wednesday with him feeling awful saying I needed to drive down and collect him, after explaining I couldn't as I was ill asked to speak to DH and asked him to go. I said to DH that he couldn't, he had work plus he was helping me out with a work event in the evening which I obviously couldn't attend any more but he still needed to arrange some stuff and be there for a short while. I put my foot down and said he had to either drive, get the train or wait until we could drive to him and if he was in crisis to call his local crisis team immediately. He eventually said he would drive as he couldn't fit all the stuff he wanted to bring in a backpack so the train was out (so he'd get obviously decided at that point he was coming for a while).

Since he's been with us he has been waking me up every morning at silly-o'clock (e.g. 5-6), as he's been experiencing massive anxiety. I've been woken up three times now to him standing in our bedroom crying and saying he can't cope. I am getting about 2 hours of sleep per night due to this chest infection anyway, and have usually only just dropped off when he's waking me up. At this rate I'm never going to get better. DH had to stop him coming into our bedroom the other day when I had eventually managed to doze off. Anyway, called the local out of hours crisis team yesterday morning and sat with him whilst he spoke to them, they're seeing him this morning and have told him to register as a temporary patient at my local GP and they are hopefully going to make a plan going forward - e.g. moving to a new antidepressant (I hope). On the phone he said to them he was going to stay with me indefinitely (no discussion with me) and can't see himself doing his job for some months.

In the past when he's had a crisis like this he's decamped to our parents who look after him for months whilst he recovers and he finds a new job - but he's decided that he finds it too stressful to stay with them (they're getting on now as well). I can see what is going to happen. He is going to loose his job, loose his rented flat as a result and have nowhere to live but here with us. So, unemployed, living with us indefinitely. And what choice do I have?

It's really stressful when he stays with us - just the whole dynamic/routine of the household goes out the window. He has always been single and as a result his life revolves around himself, he spreads himself and his things around the house, and changes/moves/breaks thing (little things, but they all add up) and gets argumentative when I ask him not to do something. My home just doesn't feel like my home anymore; I can't spend evenings chilling out lying on the sofa in front of the telly with DH, as we often do, he's often lying on the sofa watching TV himself, he smokes although takes himself outside but his clothes smell of smoke. He is in our small spare room (well, he's on the sofa tonight for some reason) which we had just recently decked out as DD's study as her bedroom isn't really big enough for a desk; she's finishing her mocks tomorrow and has her GCSEs in May - she has ADHD and it's been incredibly challenging for her academically, but we'd really turned a corner recently and she's determined to get into 6th form, I'm so worried all of this is going to upheave her, stress her out and affect her performance; she's been so proud of her achievements recently and I think if she does badly now what little confidence she'd recently gained will disappear.

I am pretty sure a straw will break the camel's back and I will end up loosing it with him at some point, or just getting incredibly stressed and ill (stress usually manifests itself physically with me as I just try to ignore it and push on through - I've had my own mental health battles). But how can I effectively abandon my depressed brother? I love him dearly, and want him to be well, but he's come to rely on me so heavily that it's becoming too much. He's really not helped himself; taking so much time off work for spurious reasons and now he really needs the time off they are challenging him and his job is in jeopardy; him not taking my advice about not going cold turkey on the antidepressants without a plan to start a new one; just the assumption that we can constantly put our lives on hold. DH is being incredibly understanding - but I can even see him getting frustrated by my brother over the past few months. DH also had a huge mental breakdown last year and attempted suicide twice, he's only just got back on some sort of even keel about 6 months ago but is still recovering. Jesus, what if HE ends up breaking down again and then I've got 2 men in crisis to look after?! I've got my own full time stressful job to do as well, plus a neurodivergent daughter to keep on track. I'm terrified! I honestly don't know what to do for the best. He has very good friends but they don't live in the same city as him, but other than them and my parents, we're all he has.

What the fuck do I do?

Sounds like a spoiled brat.
I have family members like this.
Super spoiled and pull out the anxiety and depression card to live of others.
In reality, they are self absorbed and would never do the same for others.
Plus they know that they can live rent free at the parents with this card and never have to work at the job they hate.
Their dream is never to work and live of others.
It's sad. Your brother sounds super spoiled. He knows he can walk all over you.
Tell him to go home and you will come to his for the weekend etc and in the meantime he can call Samaritans.

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thewrongsister · 06/12/2024 05:35

Isn't it so odd that he clearly feels some resentment towards your daughter from taking you attention away from him and blames her at some level for you saying he can't stay. What I'm trying to say is that there is some method to his madness.

Narcissistic rage, maybe. All OPs life DB has been first, even above her DH and DD. He's seen OP change now and put her DD first. His reaction is to remove the thing he sees as stopping him being top priority, by destroying it to the extent it ceases to exist. Warped thinking because if he killed OPs DD she's definitely not going to be wanting to put him first! Perhaps he's vocalised his feelings not due to compassion but due to his intelligence making him realise that if he does it, he's got no chance with OP. Not wanting to be stopped for OPs family's sake but for his own sake?

BlueSkies1981 · 06/12/2024 05:57

As a carer for a family member partly due to their mental health I understand the dilemma… is he open to his local community mental health team because if he isn’t it sounds like he needs to be and that he needs to be accessing more formal support. I don’t know where you are geographically but may help you to seek out support from whoever provides carers support in your local area. You are an unpaid carer and I think it would be helpful for you to offload to someone and have proper support x

schmeler · 06/12/2024 05:58

Who is actually trying to help him with his depression? Seems like ppl are just chucking pills at him but no one is dealing with the root cause. He will still carry on feeling shite until someone bothers to find out what is hurting him.

thewrongsister · 06/12/2024 06:04

@schmeler he's been refusing to engage with the professionals all his life until very recently (like days), preferring to lean on others (parents and OP) instead.

Whyherewego · 06/12/2024 06:25

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 22:31

Well the shit hit the fan. Had a call from the friend saying that he needs to go to hospital (no shit) as he's saying that he's going to explode and start trashing the place and hurting people.

I'm now in A&E with him. He's disclosed that he specifically feels like he's going to strangle my daughter. I'm very glad he's vocalised this as it cements in my and everyone's head that he can no longer be at my house. The nurse was very interested in my daughter and her ADHD status, took all her details, I also told her about DH being in recovery from a suicide attempt. We're now waiting for the mental health team.

Oh my word. You can't let him back in the house now. I'm so sorry op

Latenightreader · 06/12/2024 06:36

Checking in on you this morning, hope you managed to get home and have had some sleep, safe in the knowledge that your brother is being looked after away from your home. You are so strong.

(and ignore the comments from recent posters who couldn’t be bothered to read the thread)

schmeler · 06/12/2024 06:38

thewrongsister · 06/12/2024 06:04

@schmeler he's been refusing to engage with the professionals all his life until very recently (like days), preferring to lean on others (parents and OP) instead.

Edited

You mean he is not ready to talk about it or feels unable to or doesn't trust those people and not yet ready to trust someone about what has caused this. Not refusing to. Opening up takes time and lots of trust. When you have trauma being told you must engage because someone else is ready won't make him ready, you engage when you are ready. Also chastising him for not being ready will also prevent that from happening. We know the family are ready but it seems he isn't.

Ghostofallnightmares · 06/12/2024 06:38

OP, much as everyone is absolutely right saying your husband and DD are your priority, I think I need to say quite explicitly, just to remind you;
YOU need to be THE priority for yourself. You .
*YOU need to be made the priority by other people in your life - you need proactive love and support too from your loved ones and outside agencies
You are an amazing woman wondering who gets her remaining vestiges of strength and resources - look to yourself too 💝

Lovethesparklylights · 06/12/2024 06:40

He can never come back to your house ever again. You need to tell your DH of his threat to your DD. When he leaves hospital, pick him up with all his belongings and take him either to his OWN home or your parents and drop him there.
He's tried everything to move himself into your house permanently and it hasn't worked so he's seeing your DD as the barrier to this and made a threat against her. Please don't underestimate the threat. In his mind, if she's not there, he could stay. Forever.
He only cares about himself. He's incredibly selfish. You MUST be crystal clear that he can NEVER return to your house.
I actually think you should block him, file a restraining order and let DH only talk to him on the phone.
You've got absolutely no boundaries with him whatsoever, and have been groomed your whole life to put him first. So that is going to be incredibly difficult to stop.

Please prioritise your daughter. Don't let him return even for 1 day. You will never forgive yourself if he hurts her.

Barney16 · 06/12/2024 06:42

Poor you and poor him. As others have said I would ask your mum and dad to have him. You sound far too poorly to be able to have him at your house at the moment.

Womblewife · 06/12/2024 06:44

Op so sorry to hear of your plight. Reading this thread , I felt so angry for you. Your brother sounds extremely manipulative and to be honest very attention seeking, using depression and threats to get everyone to focus on him. It may have been suggested already, but Is it possible he has personality disorder? His behaviour does sound like EUPD. This requires really strong boundaries, or you get stuck in a loop like you have been.

schmeler · 06/12/2024 06:47

I doubt he has wandering womb!

pinkgrevillea · 06/12/2024 06:47

Prioritise your daughter.
Your brother needs to engage with health services.
You are ruining your health for him.
He needs boundaries, health care and to manage his own life and health independently of you - sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind, and your daughter needs you more. Focus on her.
You know all this. And you're not being selfish.

Womblewife · 06/12/2024 06:50

I would bet The thoughts to hurt your dd came to him after she told him she wants her study back and needs him to leave ….he is seeing her as a block to getting what he wants

Dreammalildream · 06/12/2024 07:03

I hope you've managed to get back home now op with him safely in hospital. He would never cross my doorstep again unless he was completely well and it was for a cup of tea for an hour or something. I wouldn't leave him with your dd ever.

Im also hoping your friend realises just how foolish they've been - wonder if that's why the woman friend has booked a spa for you - now she really ,knows why you've been struggling!

Patienceinshortsupply · 06/12/2024 07:06

I spent most of my adult life being manipulated and bullied by my younger sister. Mum just always responded explaining why I had to allow it and not upset her. And stupidly, I went along with it. I had that line in the sand moment when our Dad was terminally ill. So now I'm NC with sister and very low contact with Mum. And I can't tell you how much calmer, quieter and gentler my life is for it. It's OK to say "I am no longer participating in this". His mental health has dominated your life for years and you can say I'm done. He needs professional help and support.

oakleaffy · 06/12/2024 07:37

@inigomontoyahwillcox So your brother AND your husband have made ''suicide attempts'' - this makes me feel very angry on your behalf.

''Attempts'' are ways to control people around them.

People who really mean to die don't do half baked attempts.

Sounds like these are both manipulating you and it's absolutely not fair, keeping you in a state of high anxiety.

These useless men leaning on you isn't fair.

Superhotpoet · 06/12/2024 07:38

Hi OP, what a truly dreadful time you have had, it cannot go on. It’s possible that things will be taken out of your hands now as the hospital may inform social services that your daughter is at risk and they will need to ensure her safety. This might help you as it’s so difficult for you not to sacrifice yourself for your brother. Having an external authority say that he cannot live with you and that the alternative is that your daughter will have to be removed from your home might give you some much needed support to save yourself .
What would he do if you died? He’d have to do something different then.

Getupat8amnow · 06/12/2024 07:42

I have no advice but I am thinking of you. Time to put your yourself, your daughter and your DH first. You brother must fend for himself.

Illinoise · 06/12/2024 07:43

Hi Op, I've read the whole thread and I'm somewhat relieved about the latest update. He simply can't return to you. Anything that happens is on him as a responsible adult, the NHS and indeed your parents (well your Dad, who has been useless). You need a BREAK. He needs to stand on his own 2 feet now, and this may actually be the push he needed.

GridlockonMain · 06/12/2024 07:44

God OP, you are an amazing woman. You have shown such huge wells of love and support and empathy, you’re honestly amazing.

Of course it’s too much for you to manage on your own - nobody can keep giving indefinitely and you’ve done so much.

I think you need to call on your parents and other family members and friends of your brother to help. Tell them this situation is putting you in crisis and you can’t continue as things are. It’s not their job either but if they can also help them between you all you can hopefully help steer him into smoother waters while not taking on too much of a burden yourself.

I really hope you’re all able to come through this.

DualPower · 06/12/2024 07:45

I agree with PP, and I also think undiagnosed neurodiversity might be playing a role here.

Regardless, he’s an adult, and as hard as it is to say, you can’t save him. You’ve already done so much, far more than anyone could reasonably expect in your position. Honestly, I’m sure many reading this are thinking, wow, I would have had to step back years ago!

Your priority is your DD, and it’s clear how deeply you care about her wellbeing. This situation must be incredibly difficult for her to witness and navigate, especially if the boundaries don’t feel clear, and she sees you being drawn further into it, potentially at the expense of your own mental, physical and emotional wellbeing.

If possible, I’d really look into professional support to help process your feelings around this deeply painful and ongoing situation. You come across as such a compassionate and caring person, and you absolutely deserve to extend that same compassion and care to yourself.💐

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