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I can't cope with depressed brother being so reliant on me. Feel like a bitch for saying that.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:47

I'm so sorry - this going to be so long - but I need to get this out. I'm up with this awful cough/chest infection which makes it impossible to lie down and sleep. Been ill since last Tuesday. Have had virtually no sleep since then. Pretty sure a lot of you will think I'm a heartless cow, but I'm getting to my wits end.

Context. My brother (quite significantly older than me) has suffered from depression since he was a teen. He has been on antidepressants since then, except for a couple of occasions when he's taken himself off them for one reason or another, which have ended up in disaster. He lives about 2.5 hours away from me.

For some years now he has been spending more and more time at my house with my DH, DD and I. He lives alone and came to stay with us during lock down, and has often come to stay with us, sometimes for weeks, off and on since then when he's feeling low or had a crappy couple of weeks (e.g. work stress). I've always said to him of course he can come, how can I not, but he's often then stayed and stayed, prolonging his stay without discussing it with me - just declaring he's not going to go home for another week at the end of his planned stay.

He has a fantastic job in the civil service, but has had lot and lots of absences for various ailments over the past couple of years and they are understandably getting serious about his attendance. He seems to think this is very unfair and how they just don't understand. I've tried gently - but seriously - to explain that you can indeed be dismissed for repeated or lengthy absences.

In May this year he started getting some odd physical symptoms - balance issues/vertigo mainly (other very vague things like feeling cold, and out of it) - I rushed down there to him when this initially happened as he took himself to hospital thinking he was having a stroke. Ultimately anything serious was ruled out and after taking him to a few appointments for some further checks I drove him back to mine to stay. He decided that these symptoms were due to his antidepressant (that he'd been on for 15 years), so agreed with his GP to reduce his dose to an incredibly small one (questionable that it was even therapeutic anymore - it was 1/4 of the starting dose, he had been on double the starting dose for 15 years). His physical symptoms did clear up eventually - he put this down to this reduction in his antidepressants - I wasn't so convinced. I also voiced my concern that he was now effectively not on antidepressants and we all know how that had ended up in the past and that he needed to push to try another antidepressant if he didn't want to go back to his old one.

He eventually went back home and to work, and was there for a few months until he started experiencing stomach issues, now diagnosed as IBS (which I know is not fun - I've had it for years myself) and yet again took himself off work. He was working with his GP and a dietician and put on the FODMAP diet which he's still on. Again, he came to ours for a few weeks. His work were getting very ancy by this time and he started to do some hours remotely from ours as he had no choice. Eventually he went home again, he was home for a week only then for his depression to increase so I told him to get an emergency appointment with his GP who told him to double his dose last week. Well all hell broke loose (assuming side effects of increasing the dose). I've been ill for a couple of months now with all these bloody relentless viruses (also been very anemic for a lot longer and recently had a couple of infusions and currently undergoing tests to find out why - so you can imagine how rough I've been feeling), but last Tuesday I came down with proper flu (raging temp etc.) and have been in bed since and have been mainly off work (doing work when needed from bed). I never take time off work, honestly have to be at deaths door - have subsequently developed a chest infection and am on antibiotics. Got a call from my brother at 5:30am on Wednesday with him feeling awful saying I needed to drive down and collect him, after explaining I couldn't as I was ill asked to speak to DH and asked him to go. I said to DH that he couldn't, he had work plus he was helping me out with a work event in the evening which I obviously couldn't attend any more but he still needed to arrange some stuff and be there for a short while. I put my foot down and said he had to either drive, get the train or wait until we could drive to him and if he was in crisis to call his local crisis team immediately. He eventually said he would drive as he couldn't fit all the stuff he wanted to bring in a backpack so the train was out (so he'd get obviously decided at that point he was coming for a while).

Since he's been with us he has been waking me up every morning at silly-o'clock (e.g. 5-6), as he's been experiencing massive anxiety. I've been woken up three times now to him standing in our bedroom crying and saying he can't cope. I am getting about 2 hours of sleep per night due to this chest infection anyway, and have usually only just dropped off when he's waking me up. At this rate I'm never going to get better. DH had to stop him coming into our bedroom the other day when I had eventually managed to doze off. Anyway, called the local out of hours crisis team yesterday morning and sat with him whilst he spoke to them, they're seeing him this morning and have told him to register as a temporary patient at my local GP and they are hopefully going to make a plan going forward - e.g. moving to a new antidepressant (I hope). On the phone he said to them he was going to stay with me indefinitely (no discussion with me) and can't see himself doing his job for some months.

In the past when he's had a crisis like this he's decamped to our parents who look after him for months whilst he recovers and he finds a new job - but he's decided that he finds it too stressful to stay with them (they're getting on now as well). I can see what is going to happen. He is going to loose his job, loose his rented flat as a result and have nowhere to live but here with us. So, unemployed, living with us indefinitely. And what choice do I have?

It's really stressful when he stays with us - just the whole dynamic/routine of the household goes out the window. He has always been single and as a result his life revolves around himself, he spreads himself and his things around the house, and changes/moves/breaks thing (little things, but they all add up) and gets argumentative when I ask him not to do something. My home just doesn't feel like my home anymore; I can't spend evenings chilling out lying on the sofa in front of the telly with DH, as we often do, he's often lying on the sofa watching TV himself, he smokes although takes himself outside but his clothes smell of smoke. He is in our small spare room (well, he's on the sofa tonight for some reason) which we had just recently decked out as DD's study as her bedroom isn't really big enough for a desk; she's finishing her mocks tomorrow and has her GCSEs in May - she has ADHD and it's been incredibly challenging for her academically, but we'd really turned a corner recently and she's determined to get into 6th form, I'm so worried all of this is going to upheave her, stress her out and affect her performance; she's been so proud of her achievements recently and I think if she does badly now what little confidence she'd recently gained will disappear.

I am pretty sure a straw will break the camel's back and I will end up loosing it with him at some point, or just getting incredibly stressed and ill (stress usually manifests itself physically with me as I just try to ignore it and push on through - I've had my own mental health battles). But how can I effectively abandon my depressed brother? I love him dearly, and want him to be well, but he's come to rely on me so heavily that it's becoming too much. He's really not helped himself; taking so much time off work for spurious reasons and now he really needs the time off they are challenging him and his job is in jeopardy; him not taking my advice about not going cold turkey on the antidepressants without a plan to start a new one; just the assumption that we can constantly put our lives on hold. DH is being incredibly understanding - but I can even see him getting frustrated by my brother over the past few months. DH also had a huge mental breakdown last year and attempted suicide twice, he's only just got back on some sort of even keel about 6 months ago but is still recovering. Jesus, what if HE ends up breaking down again and then I've got 2 men in crisis to look after?! I've got my own full time stressful job to do as well, plus a neurodivergent daughter to keep on track. I'm terrified! I honestly don't know what to do for the best. He has very good friends but they don't live in the same city as him, but other than them and my parents, we're all he has.

What the fuck do I do?

OP posts:
inigomontoyahwillcox · 06/12/2024 00:09

Zofloramummy · 06/12/2024 00:06

I’ve read the thread, it’s interesting that one of the main reasons why he has to leave is because of DD’s exams. Now he is verbalising a risk of harm to her.

If he isn’t admitted to hospital then there is no choices left. He cannot return to the house.

Totally agree - that ship has well and truly sailed.

We're now in a cubicle and he's being looked after by some lovely nurses after loosing control in the waiting room.

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StartupRepair · 06/12/2024 00:11

OP you are doing the best you can in a horrendous situation. It clearly had to get this bad before it could get resolved. Take care of yourself as you sit there. Xx

saraclara · 06/12/2024 00:12

Good luck and all the best @inigomontoyahwillcox . I almost feel bad about going to sleep and 'abandoning' you. You've been amazing and have kept your head throughout all this. I really hope that tonight will be the turning point that means you can have some peace at home. I'll check this thread as soon as I wake.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 06/12/2024 00:13

saraclara · 06/12/2024 00:12

Good luck and all the best @inigomontoyahwillcox . I almost feel bad about going to sleep and 'abandoning' you. You've been amazing and have kept your head throughout all this. I really hope that tonight will be the turning point that means you can have some peace at home. I'll check this thread as soon as I wake.

Watch out @saraclara - you'll make me cry! That's such a lovely thing to say. Good night.

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StartupRepair · 06/12/2024 00:16

@inigomontoyahwillcox I am in a different time zone so will keep checking in.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 06/12/2024 00:18

Oh wow - you lot are the best. I actually feel like you're looking after me. From afar.

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Peachy2005 · 06/12/2024 00:24

Hopefully he can be sectioned. Make sure to put your father/parents down as emergency contact.

Considering the threat to your daughter’s safety, in your place I would take his phone now and delete all my contact details off it. I would go NC and if he ever turned up at my house, I would keep the doors locked and call the police. I might even get a protection/barring order against him (or the UK equivalent), if a lawyer said that was possible. I appreciate that might seem extreme but I would not be having anything more to do with him, mental illness, personality disorder or whatever. I would refuse to discuss him with my parents in future if they attempted to drag me back in.

Wishing you strength and health and better times ahead.

whenemmafallsinlove · 06/12/2024 00:25

Just seen this thread. OP you are magnificent, loving towards your brother as you should be and you've done so much more than many would but absolutely look after yourself and your daughter now. Unfortunately his illness has made him unsafe to be with you both. I agree in a way it's helpful that he's vocalised his feelings. Because it makes it totally clear for everybody what is and is not possible. No way back from that,
Thinking of you

Gillettethebest · 06/12/2024 00:30

This is shocking and completely horrible, I’m just thinking when your daughter compassionately spoke up for herself he must have been seething inwardly and it’s finally come out. Although I suspect the resentment towards her has been brewing for a while judging by how snappy he was about your Dad mentioning her exams.

It’s terrifying he’s been harbouring those thoughts about your child, and then taking up space in your house in her home.

I wonder how your Dad will respond, and if your parents will finally step up now? either way I’m glad you’re discharging him from your care.

He is not safe around your family and may never be a safe person. Your Dad has sadly helped raised an entitled monster who thinks women’s needs are subordinate to his.

I always say you can see someone’s true character when you tell them “no”. You had bent over backwards for your brother your whole life and it looks like now you’re finally saying “no” his true colours are showing and he’s focused his anger at this on your daughter who he blames for you stepping out of line.

pooperscoops · 06/12/2024 00:33

Wow you have done so much. Your own little family really really need you right now - so dont feel any guilt prioritising them. Also your DB needs significant prof / expert medical care which you cant deliver - so you are in the right place. I hope he is admitted soon and that you can get home to sleep.

Then please 'detach with love' from your DB and pivot your attention to restoring yourself, DH and DD for at least the next 6-8 months (post exams).

I would consider giving your DD and DH a heads up on his ideation / fixation with your DD and I would put in significant security measures for the next few months.

Cardinalita90 · 06/12/2024 00:48

OP when christmas is over why don't you book yourself a spa break or similar. You sound understandably exhausted with the mental toil, coupled with your illness, and taking yourself off for some peace and disconnecting from it all might do you the world of good. Get your strength back for your DD - or go together?

MrsAga · 06/12/2024 00:52

inigomontoyahwillcox · 06/12/2024 00:18

Oh wow - you lot are the best. I actually feel like you're looking after me. From afar.

Virtual handhold from me too. Hoping your brother starts to get the right help soon & you can feel some peace soon too. 💐

inigomontoyahwillcox · 06/12/2024 00:52

Cardinalita90 · 06/12/2024 00:48

OP when christmas is over why don't you book yourself a spa break or similar. You sound understandably exhausted with the mental toil, coupled with your illness, and taking yourself off for some peace and disconnecting from it all might do you the world of good. Get your strength back for your DD - or go together?

Actually my friend (wife of the therapist friend) messaged me earlier and told me she is talking me to a spa on Sunday and booked a massage for us both! She is a such a lovely person. I will also take DD off to do something v soon too, she actually breaks up from school soon, so I'll take a day off I think and we can go somewhere.

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LeftWhisker · 06/12/2024 01:00

I am hopong that they are going to find a bed for your brother in hospital and yiu can go home soon. You and your family done so much for him.

NiftyKoala · 06/12/2024 01:11

gamerchick · 02/12/2024 06:04

One day he's going to come and not leave. I suspect that time has come.

You are not responsible for your bother. You and your parents have stopped him from becoming a fully functioning human. Why does he need to human when he knows you'll all wipe his bum for him?

Send him to your parents. You've enough on your plate and stop him just coming down for weeks when he feels like it.

This. You are not selfish. You have your own family now. Your health is suffering. You and your family have to come first. Send him back and keep strong g boundaries.

Ghostofallnightmares · 06/12/2024 01:25

I have no advice but wish you lots of love in reclaiming your space mentally and physically. Look after yourself 💞

courageandwisdom · 06/12/2024 01:59

You're doing so well. Depression can make you very selfish, and you've already done too much.

Although it's come from a place of love, it's enabled him to not seek the proper help sooner.

I'm glad he's now accessing the help he needs and I understand why you're staying. If nothing else, to make sure he doesn't downplay how bad he is, and also give them the impression that he can stay with you.

Good luck, you sound like a lovely person.

StartupRepair · 06/12/2024 02:31

I'm glad you have a lovely friend giving you real life support. Hope things are moving along in the hospital.

itsmabeline · 06/12/2024 02:38

I was not trying to have a go at the OP. I was trying to give good advice.

If this happened to a close friend or family member, I would say exactly the same thing. I would want them to protect themselves and their children first. It was meant as real advice to protect her and her daughter.

Once someone has verbalised a threat, it doesn't matter how subtle or twisted up it is, or how much plausible deniability they've allowed for in the exact phrasing is, they are more likely to carry it out.

He said these three things in a single sentence: strangle, her daughter, and something like he wants to or is scared he's going to or wants to.

Doesn't matter what the subtly of the sentence is.

I would advise anyone going through this in my own family or my closest friend in the world the same thing: your priority is your daughter over your brother, always and forever, since the moment you gave birth to her.

Cornflakes44 · 06/12/2024 03:08

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 23:45

And for what it's worth he didn't say he'd been fantasising about attacking her - he said he was scared he was going to attack her. A subtle but very important difference.

If there's any hope for your relationship with your brother it's that he told people this, knowing it would be the end of staying at yours. He did put her first.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 06/12/2024 03:13

I’ve just read the thread and am so sorry you are having to deal with this. I think you are bloody superwoman!

Starlight7080 · 06/12/2024 03:25

I have just read this whole thread. You sound like you have done more then most when it comes to your brother.
He obviously hasn't a clue how much of a negative impact it has had on your life.
I wouldn't let him in to my house for even a few hours now.
Your dh and dd especially need priority.
You are not responsible for him.
My brother lives with my parents he has never lived independently and has some learning difficulties. And I am very aware I will probably be responsible for him one day .
It's a big worry . We get on well but he like your brother is quite focused only on himself . And doesn't understand how his behaviour/demands cause a lot of stress .
I hope the hospital has been able to help your brother

Mummyoflittledragon · 06/12/2024 03:55

I have just picked up your thread and read all of the posts. You’ve been so kind and loving, gone above and beyond for your brother having been trained from primary school age to put him first. And now you recognise the cost this is having on your family.

It sounds as though you have so loving and caring friends around you and now that things have reached crisis point, you are finding the strength to step away even under surmountable pressure. I am so glad not just for you but also for your dh and dd that you’ve found your voice.

Your dd sounds absolutely lovely. My dd is a year older and in the first year of sixth form. She definitely does need calm this year.

user1492757084 · 06/12/2024 04:14

It's totally unfair for your teenager children to have your brother stay. Your kids need to know their home is safe, secure, stable and private.
Pack brother's things tomorrow and drive him elsewhere - your parents' home probably doesn't have teenage kids trying to get through school. Your DH could also just keep on driving after the appointment and take your brother home.

Gather together some telephone numbers of mental health services.

Your default should be that your brother needs a trained prefessional. Give him the numbers, phone and report him to the mental health hotline of his area.

Therealjudgejudy · 06/12/2024 04:38

No advise op just a handhold and I think you are amazing.