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I can't cope with depressed brother being so reliant on me. Feel like a bitch for saying that.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:47

I'm so sorry - this going to be so long - but I need to get this out. I'm up with this awful cough/chest infection which makes it impossible to lie down and sleep. Been ill since last Tuesday. Have had virtually no sleep since then. Pretty sure a lot of you will think I'm a heartless cow, but I'm getting to my wits end.

Context. My brother (quite significantly older than me) has suffered from depression since he was a teen. He has been on antidepressants since then, except for a couple of occasions when he's taken himself off them for one reason or another, which have ended up in disaster. He lives about 2.5 hours away from me.

For some years now he has been spending more and more time at my house with my DH, DD and I. He lives alone and came to stay with us during lock down, and has often come to stay with us, sometimes for weeks, off and on since then when he's feeling low or had a crappy couple of weeks (e.g. work stress). I've always said to him of course he can come, how can I not, but he's often then stayed and stayed, prolonging his stay without discussing it with me - just declaring he's not going to go home for another week at the end of his planned stay.

He has a fantastic job in the civil service, but has had lot and lots of absences for various ailments over the past couple of years and they are understandably getting serious about his attendance. He seems to think this is very unfair and how they just don't understand. I've tried gently - but seriously - to explain that you can indeed be dismissed for repeated or lengthy absences.

In May this year he started getting some odd physical symptoms - balance issues/vertigo mainly (other very vague things like feeling cold, and out of it) - I rushed down there to him when this initially happened as he took himself to hospital thinking he was having a stroke. Ultimately anything serious was ruled out and after taking him to a few appointments for some further checks I drove him back to mine to stay. He decided that these symptoms were due to his antidepressant (that he'd been on for 15 years), so agreed with his GP to reduce his dose to an incredibly small one (questionable that it was even therapeutic anymore - it was 1/4 of the starting dose, he had been on double the starting dose for 15 years). His physical symptoms did clear up eventually - he put this down to this reduction in his antidepressants - I wasn't so convinced. I also voiced my concern that he was now effectively not on antidepressants and we all know how that had ended up in the past and that he needed to push to try another antidepressant if he didn't want to go back to his old one.

He eventually went back home and to work, and was there for a few months until he started experiencing stomach issues, now diagnosed as IBS (which I know is not fun - I've had it for years myself) and yet again took himself off work. He was working with his GP and a dietician and put on the FODMAP diet which he's still on. Again, he came to ours for a few weeks. His work were getting very ancy by this time and he started to do some hours remotely from ours as he had no choice. Eventually he went home again, he was home for a week only then for his depression to increase so I told him to get an emergency appointment with his GP who told him to double his dose last week. Well all hell broke loose (assuming side effects of increasing the dose). I've been ill for a couple of months now with all these bloody relentless viruses (also been very anemic for a lot longer and recently had a couple of infusions and currently undergoing tests to find out why - so you can imagine how rough I've been feeling), but last Tuesday I came down with proper flu (raging temp etc.) and have been in bed since and have been mainly off work (doing work when needed from bed). I never take time off work, honestly have to be at deaths door - have subsequently developed a chest infection and am on antibiotics. Got a call from my brother at 5:30am on Wednesday with him feeling awful saying I needed to drive down and collect him, after explaining I couldn't as I was ill asked to speak to DH and asked him to go. I said to DH that he couldn't, he had work plus he was helping me out with a work event in the evening which I obviously couldn't attend any more but he still needed to arrange some stuff and be there for a short while. I put my foot down and said he had to either drive, get the train or wait until we could drive to him and if he was in crisis to call his local crisis team immediately. He eventually said he would drive as he couldn't fit all the stuff he wanted to bring in a backpack so the train was out (so he'd get obviously decided at that point he was coming for a while).

Since he's been with us he has been waking me up every morning at silly-o'clock (e.g. 5-6), as he's been experiencing massive anxiety. I've been woken up three times now to him standing in our bedroom crying and saying he can't cope. I am getting about 2 hours of sleep per night due to this chest infection anyway, and have usually only just dropped off when he's waking me up. At this rate I'm never going to get better. DH had to stop him coming into our bedroom the other day when I had eventually managed to doze off. Anyway, called the local out of hours crisis team yesterday morning and sat with him whilst he spoke to them, they're seeing him this morning and have told him to register as a temporary patient at my local GP and they are hopefully going to make a plan going forward - e.g. moving to a new antidepressant (I hope). On the phone he said to them he was going to stay with me indefinitely (no discussion with me) and can't see himself doing his job for some months.

In the past when he's had a crisis like this he's decamped to our parents who look after him for months whilst he recovers and he finds a new job - but he's decided that he finds it too stressful to stay with them (they're getting on now as well). I can see what is going to happen. He is going to loose his job, loose his rented flat as a result and have nowhere to live but here with us. So, unemployed, living with us indefinitely. And what choice do I have?

It's really stressful when he stays with us - just the whole dynamic/routine of the household goes out the window. He has always been single and as a result his life revolves around himself, he spreads himself and his things around the house, and changes/moves/breaks thing (little things, but they all add up) and gets argumentative when I ask him not to do something. My home just doesn't feel like my home anymore; I can't spend evenings chilling out lying on the sofa in front of the telly with DH, as we often do, he's often lying on the sofa watching TV himself, he smokes although takes himself outside but his clothes smell of smoke. He is in our small spare room (well, he's on the sofa tonight for some reason) which we had just recently decked out as DD's study as her bedroom isn't really big enough for a desk; she's finishing her mocks tomorrow and has her GCSEs in May - she has ADHD and it's been incredibly challenging for her academically, but we'd really turned a corner recently and she's determined to get into 6th form, I'm so worried all of this is going to upheave her, stress her out and affect her performance; she's been so proud of her achievements recently and I think if she does badly now what little confidence she'd recently gained will disappear.

I am pretty sure a straw will break the camel's back and I will end up loosing it with him at some point, or just getting incredibly stressed and ill (stress usually manifests itself physically with me as I just try to ignore it and push on through - I've had my own mental health battles). But how can I effectively abandon my depressed brother? I love him dearly, and want him to be well, but he's come to rely on me so heavily that it's becoming too much. He's really not helped himself; taking so much time off work for spurious reasons and now he really needs the time off they are challenging him and his job is in jeopardy; him not taking my advice about not going cold turkey on the antidepressants without a plan to start a new one; just the assumption that we can constantly put our lives on hold. DH is being incredibly understanding - but I can even see him getting frustrated by my brother over the past few months. DH also had a huge mental breakdown last year and attempted suicide twice, he's only just got back on some sort of even keel about 6 months ago but is still recovering. Jesus, what if HE ends up breaking down again and then I've got 2 men in crisis to look after?! I've got my own full time stressful job to do as well, plus a neurodivergent daughter to keep on track. I'm terrified! I honestly don't know what to do for the best. He has very good friends but they don't live in the same city as him, but other than them and my parents, we're all he has.

What the fuck do I do?

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oakleaffy · 06/12/2024 07:46

@inigomontoyahwillcox I have just read your updates.

It's unbelievable that this cruel and callous ''me, me,, me, me, me, me'' brother is now wanting to seriously harm your lovely daughter.

You really are surrounded by awful men.

Your brother needs hospitalising in a secure unit where he can't hurt your daughter or anyone else.

What a selfish, self absorbed person he sounds.

''Me, myself and I'', like a parasite in the family, sucking up all the attention and emotional energy.

Your Daughter will be so relieved when this man is gone from her environment.

Can you change the locks?

hurlyburly1 · 06/12/2024 07:48

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 22:31

Well the shit hit the fan. Had a call from the friend saying that he needs to go to hospital (no shit) as he's saying that he's going to explode and start trashing the place and hurting people.

I'm now in A&E with him. He's disclosed that he specifically feels like he's going to strangle my daughter. I'm very glad he's vocalised this as it cements in my and everyone's head that he can no longer be at my house. The nurse was very interested in my daughter and her ADHD status, took all her details, I also told her about DH being in recovery from a suicide attempt. We're now waiting for the mental health team.

So sorry OP, after all you have done and your family have done in looking after him and giving him a place to stay.

That is the red line and you have to protect your daughter. You also must be shattered, please look after yourself in all this.

Does he have a key? If so change the locks.

CoolPlayer · 06/12/2024 07:51

Honestly having been there myself with started new medication ect he could very well be going through hell in his head. I know it’s hard but please try and keep being patient he really needs you x

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CoolPlayer · 06/12/2024 07:53

I wrote this before seeing the latest update hope you are all ok an he gets the help he needs x

ApriCat · 06/12/2024 07:53

CoolPlayer, have you read all of Inigo's posts? It wouldn't be at all wise for her to be her brother's support now.

ApriCat · 06/12/2024 07:53

Ah, crossed posts

CoolPlayer · 06/12/2024 07:54

No I hadn’t read that update x

ChaosHol1 · 06/12/2024 07:54

Just read your messages and sorry you are going through this. He definitely sounds like there is something else going on whether that is autism, adhd, or even a personality disorder. Just wanted to add that we ended up turning to a local charity who got my family member set up with therapy straight away the next week rather than waiting months through the NHS. Sadly even when I had to take them to hospital twice due to a mental health crisis it didn't help speed things up. We just seen the community mental health team and they were sent home with a promise they'd be in touch ASAP, but weren't. I hope you got the help he needed last night.

Also have to say I'm absolutely shocked by your dad's emotional manipulation when he, his father, is doing nothing to help him.

oakleaffy · 06/12/2024 07:54

CoolPlayer · 06/12/2024 07:51

Honestly having been there myself with started new medication ect he could very well be going through hell in his head. I know it’s hard but please try and keep being patient he really needs you x

NO, he absolutely doesn't ''need op'' - he's parasitised off her for decades.

She's now at the point of having her own lovely daughter strangled by this awful, selfish man.

He has threatened to kill her daughter.

so no, he's a dangerous, awful man who needs a secure unit, never to darken OP's doors again .

Her daughter is at risk of serious harm by this selfish individual.

oakleaffy · 06/12/2024 07:56

ChaosHol1 · 06/12/2024 07:54

Just read your messages and sorry you are going through this. He definitely sounds like there is something else going on whether that is autism, adhd, or even a personality disorder. Just wanted to add that we ended up turning to a local charity who got my family member set up with therapy straight away the next week rather than waiting months through the NHS. Sadly even when I had to take them to hospital twice due to a mental health crisis it didn't help speed things up. We just seen the community mental health team and they were sent home with a promise they'd be in touch ASAP, but weren't. I hope you got the help he needed last night.

Also have to say I'm absolutely shocked by your dad's emotional manipulation when he, his father, is doing nothing to help him.

OP is surrounded by three manipulative men.

Cockerpooslave · 06/12/2024 07:59

This has been so awful for you @inigomontoyahwillcox & you’ve tried so hard to look after your brother alongside everyone else, but at least now you have a clear, external reason why he can’t be at your house and anyone who tries to make you feel guilty for that can take a running jump.

Look after yourself and I hope you have a peaceful & restful Christmas and get better soon, you definitely deserve to.

RabbitsEatPancakes · 06/12/2024 07:59

Gosh what a selfish wretch your brother is! 40years you've been pandering and wasting time and energy on him.

All of the problems you've had, with your health, your DH etc. How much support has he ever given to you? Other than him being a blood relation, is he actually ever good to you?

He's seems to be perfectly able to function when it suits him, packing up a car and driving to you when there's no other option and his demands of you to get him fail. He's able to manipulate your friendship into having him to stay when he realises you are truly fed up.

He's just seems to want everyone else to run around after him.

ApriCat · 06/12/2024 08:00

Oakleaffy, I don't think it's right to lump Inigo's husband into that. Do you think all suicide attempts are manipulative?

A man who has tried to deal with his MH by pushing everything to the back of his mind and ignoring it, while shipping sick in-laws round to hospital appointments, is not behaving the same as her brother and father.

socks1107 · 06/12/2024 08:02

Ou need to prioritise your daughter and her exams. He absolutely needs to go to your parents and you need to concentrate on yourself and your family.
In the nicest way he isn't your problem he'll eventually never leave.
My uncle came to live with us after a break down when I was about 15 and our routine was turned upside down. It was not easy as a teenager to have that. Please put her and you first

MySweetGeorgina · 06/12/2024 08:07

Gosh OP you have been through so much

i think you are handling things really well and please remain firm about your brother not returning

He can’t

he mustn’t

Don’t get softened up by the whole “leaving him alone at Christmas” sentiment

your dad sounds incredibly selfish by the way, but if DB is really desperate he will just have to go to his parents

stay firm

(I’ve just been through a year with three men in my life leaning on me, and have been able to toughen up a bit about my own boundaries and radical self-care and I hope you can get there too 💪💕)

saraclara · 06/12/2024 08:09

oakleaffy · 06/12/2024 07:46

@inigomontoyahwillcox I have just read your updates.

It's unbelievable that this cruel and callous ''me, me,, me, me, me, me'' brother is now wanting to seriously harm your lovely daughter.

You really are surrounded by awful men.

Your brother needs hospitalising in a secure unit where he can't hurt your daughter or anyone else.

What a selfish, self absorbed person he sounds.

''Me, myself and I'', like a parasite in the family, sucking up all the attention and emotional energy.

Your Daughter will be so relieved when this man is gone from her environment.

Can you change the locks?

Edited

He isn't "wanting to" FFS. He's scared that he might. There's a world of difference.

thewrongsister · 06/12/2024 08:12

schmeler · 06/12/2024 06:38

You mean he is not ready to talk about it or feels unable to or doesn't trust those people and not yet ready to trust someone about what has caused this. Not refusing to. Opening up takes time and lots of trust. When you have trauma being told you must engage because someone else is ready won't make him ready, you engage when you are ready. Also chastising him for not being ready will also prevent that from happening. We know the family are ready but it seems he isn't.

Edited

He's 53 and his problems are from teenage years. Exactly how long are people supposed to wait for him to "be ready" to help himself by engaging with services? You need to read the thread before you comment further

SheilaFentiman · 06/12/2024 08:12

saraclara · 06/12/2024 08:09

He isn't "wanting to" FFS. He's scared that he might. There's a world of difference.

Exactly this, @saraclara - very important

Same as people can feel scared by their own suicidal/self harming feelings and seek help for them.

pinkgrevillea · 06/12/2024 08:17

DD came into the room and gave bro a hug and kiss, said we love you but I need my study back, I'm going into a really important few months, then lots of very intuitive things about how he needs to return to normality, maintain his job, find resources in his local area. I was bloody impressed and proud of her for showing such compassion but also vocalising what she needs.

I read this and was thinking about how it's often the next generation that can cut right through the manipulation and emotional blackmail and simply not take it on.

And then I read your update - it's terrible but in a way not surprising that your brother is now feeling he might harm her - she is the one who has actually drawn a line with him and insisted he think of someone other than himself, quite kindly and firmly. You have too, but it's been so much harder for you because of your conditioning.

He has now made it clear to everyone that he can't ever stay with you again.
I feel relieved for you. There is blood family and there is heart family and heart family always takes priority. You are absolutely 100% doing the right thing. He isn't well, but you are not his doctor - the healthcare team needs to take over.

Jollyhockeystickss · 06/12/2024 08:28

It sounds like your brother is maybe autustic in which case he wont change but you need to put in more boundaries and not have him stay, full stop

gamerchick · 06/12/2024 08:28

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 23:45

And for what it's worth he didn't say he'd been fantasising about attacking her - he said he was scared he was going to attack her. A subtle but very important difference.

She told him straight so therefore in his head it's her fault things aren't panning out the way he planned.

He isn't done yet. He will pull out every stop to make you fall back into line. You'll have to hand him over completely to someone else or you'll be sitting in hospital giving him sole attention often now.

If he turns up on your doorstep you ring the police. It's going to be properly shit but you can't back down now.

If you get any bleeding hearts on this thread, ask them for their address and they can take him in.

Dontbeme · 06/12/2024 08:31

@inigomontoyahwillcox I hope you got some sleep last night and that you are now home safe with DH and your DD. Sending you all a hand hold 💐💐

SpryCat · 06/12/2024 08:33

Op would never put anyone in danger knowingly, she has been everyone’s support system and luckily her brother got to the point of wanting to explode and hurt people away from her house …. It could have been so much worse but thank god it wasn’t and pointing out all the what if’s is not helping. He wasn’t having fantasies of strangling her daughter he vocalised he specifically felt like he was going to strangle her daughter.
She won’t allow him to be in her house again. She took him to a&e to make sure they knew all the fact so he would get the help he needs and to ensure he didn’t walk out and get a taxi back to hers. OP’s daughter was safe at home with dad so nobody was in danger.

When you love someone who is suffering from severe mental health problems it’s extremely hard on family trying to care for them and it’s not till you get to this point that they are a danger to themselves and others you realise all the love in the world is not helping, your just coddling them what they really need is professional help and care.

IsawwhatIsaw · 06/12/2024 08:33

Put boundaries in place now.
your own family must come first. Enough is enough.
And don’t allow yourself to be manipulated by threats of self harm or loneliness. Your brother is not your responsibility.
You know that this situation will never improve unless you take tough but sensible decisions.

Flamez · 06/12/2024 08:33

i have a disabled sibling. Not the same situation as you, but when mum died there was a massive pressure for me to take over their care and for them to live with me. After decades of saying yes I learnt to say no. It’s like a muscle you have to develop, but the more you say no, the easier it becomes. You’ve given enough.