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I can't cope with depressed brother being so reliant on me. Feel like a bitch for saying that.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:47

I'm so sorry - this going to be so long - but I need to get this out. I'm up with this awful cough/chest infection which makes it impossible to lie down and sleep. Been ill since last Tuesday. Have had virtually no sleep since then. Pretty sure a lot of you will think I'm a heartless cow, but I'm getting to my wits end.

Context. My brother (quite significantly older than me) has suffered from depression since he was a teen. He has been on antidepressants since then, except for a couple of occasions when he's taken himself off them for one reason or another, which have ended up in disaster. He lives about 2.5 hours away from me.

For some years now he has been spending more and more time at my house with my DH, DD and I. He lives alone and came to stay with us during lock down, and has often come to stay with us, sometimes for weeks, off and on since then when he's feeling low or had a crappy couple of weeks (e.g. work stress). I've always said to him of course he can come, how can I not, but he's often then stayed and stayed, prolonging his stay without discussing it with me - just declaring he's not going to go home for another week at the end of his planned stay.

He has a fantastic job in the civil service, but has had lot and lots of absences for various ailments over the past couple of years and they are understandably getting serious about his attendance. He seems to think this is very unfair and how they just don't understand. I've tried gently - but seriously - to explain that you can indeed be dismissed for repeated or lengthy absences.

In May this year he started getting some odd physical symptoms - balance issues/vertigo mainly (other very vague things like feeling cold, and out of it) - I rushed down there to him when this initially happened as he took himself to hospital thinking he was having a stroke. Ultimately anything serious was ruled out and after taking him to a few appointments for some further checks I drove him back to mine to stay. He decided that these symptoms were due to his antidepressant (that he'd been on for 15 years), so agreed with his GP to reduce his dose to an incredibly small one (questionable that it was even therapeutic anymore - it was 1/4 of the starting dose, he had been on double the starting dose for 15 years). His physical symptoms did clear up eventually - he put this down to this reduction in his antidepressants - I wasn't so convinced. I also voiced my concern that he was now effectively not on antidepressants and we all know how that had ended up in the past and that he needed to push to try another antidepressant if he didn't want to go back to his old one.

He eventually went back home and to work, and was there for a few months until he started experiencing stomach issues, now diagnosed as IBS (which I know is not fun - I've had it for years myself) and yet again took himself off work. He was working with his GP and a dietician and put on the FODMAP diet which he's still on. Again, he came to ours for a few weeks. His work were getting very ancy by this time and he started to do some hours remotely from ours as he had no choice. Eventually he went home again, he was home for a week only then for his depression to increase so I told him to get an emergency appointment with his GP who told him to double his dose last week. Well all hell broke loose (assuming side effects of increasing the dose). I've been ill for a couple of months now with all these bloody relentless viruses (also been very anemic for a lot longer and recently had a couple of infusions and currently undergoing tests to find out why - so you can imagine how rough I've been feeling), but last Tuesday I came down with proper flu (raging temp etc.) and have been in bed since and have been mainly off work (doing work when needed from bed). I never take time off work, honestly have to be at deaths door - have subsequently developed a chest infection and am on antibiotics. Got a call from my brother at 5:30am on Wednesday with him feeling awful saying I needed to drive down and collect him, after explaining I couldn't as I was ill asked to speak to DH and asked him to go. I said to DH that he couldn't, he had work plus he was helping me out with a work event in the evening which I obviously couldn't attend any more but he still needed to arrange some stuff and be there for a short while. I put my foot down and said he had to either drive, get the train or wait until we could drive to him and if he was in crisis to call his local crisis team immediately. He eventually said he would drive as he couldn't fit all the stuff he wanted to bring in a backpack so the train was out (so he'd get obviously decided at that point he was coming for a while).

Since he's been with us he has been waking me up every morning at silly-o'clock (e.g. 5-6), as he's been experiencing massive anxiety. I've been woken up three times now to him standing in our bedroom crying and saying he can't cope. I am getting about 2 hours of sleep per night due to this chest infection anyway, and have usually only just dropped off when he's waking me up. At this rate I'm never going to get better. DH had to stop him coming into our bedroom the other day when I had eventually managed to doze off. Anyway, called the local out of hours crisis team yesterday morning and sat with him whilst he spoke to them, they're seeing him this morning and have told him to register as a temporary patient at my local GP and they are hopefully going to make a plan going forward - e.g. moving to a new antidepressant (I hope). On the phone he said to them he was going to stay with me indefinitely (no discussion with me) and can't see himself doing his job for some months.

In the past when he's had a crisis like this he's decamped to our parents who look after him for months whilst he recovers and he finds a new job - but he's decided that he finds it too stressful to stay with them (they're getting on now as well). I can see what is going to happen. He is going to loose his job, loose his rented flat as a result and have nowhere to live but here with us. So, unemployed, living with us indefinitely. And what choice do I have?

It's really stressful when he stays with us - just the whole dynamic/routine of the household goes out the window. He has always been single and as a result his life revolves around himself, he spreads himself and his things around the house, and changes/moves/breaks thing (little things, but they all add up) and gets argumentative when I ask him not to do something. My home just doesn't feel like my home anymore; I can't spend evenings chilling out lying on the sofa in front of the telly with DH, as we often do, he's often lying on the sofa watching TV himself, he smokes although takes himself outside but his clothes smell of smoke. He is in our small spare room (well, he's on the sofa tonight for some reason) which we had just recently decked out as DD's study as her bedroom isn't really big enough for a desk; she's finishing her mocks tomorrow and has her GCSEs in May - she has ADHD and it's been incredibly challenging for her academically, but we'd really turned a corner recently and she's determined to get into 6th form, I'm so worried all of this is going to upheave her, stress her out and affect her performance; she's been so proud of her achievements recently and I think if she does badly now what little confidence she'd recently gained will disappear.

I am pretty sure a straw will break the camel's back and I will end up loosing it with him at some point, or just getting incredibly stressed and ill (stress usually manifests itself physically with me as I just try to ignore it and push on through - I've had my own mental health battles). But how can I effectively abandon my depressed brother? I love him dearly, and want him to be well, but he's come to rely on me so heavily that it's becoming too much. He's really not helped himself; taking so much time off work for spurious reasons and now he really needs the time off they are challenging him and his job is in jeopardy; him not taking my advice about not going cold turkey on the antidepressants without a plan to start a new one; just the assumption that we can constantly put our lives on hold. DH is being incredibly understanding - but I can even see him getting frustrated by my brother over the past few months. DH also had a huge mental breakdown last year and attempted suicide twice, he's only just got back on some sort of even keel about 6 months ago but is still recovering. Jesus, what if HE ends up breaking down again and then I've got 2 men in crisis to look after?! I've got my own full time stressful job to do as well, plus a neurodivergent daughter to keep on track. I'm terrified! I honestly don't know what to do for the best. He has very good friends but they don't live in the same city as him, but other than them and my parents, we're all he has.

What the fuck do I do?

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lizzyBennet08 · 05/12/2024 23:11

Isn't it so odd that he clearly feels some resentment towards your daughter from taking you attention away from him and blames her at some level for you saying he can't stay. What I'm trying to say is that there is some method to his madness.
Op you've been amazing to him, I would say too amazing but you can't continue to prioritise him above everyone else in your family including you: he'll get better or he won't but there is nothing that you can do really to influence that. Not after a lifetime of illness and entrenched behaviour.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 23:11

Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 23:09

Just thinking of you op , but why don't you tell them now firmly that he has a flat, nd he was only staying with you temporarily. Say that he is not to come back to your house.

I wouldn't stay there with him overnight.

I have - I wouldn't let them change his home address on the system to mine when he was booked in. I've been flowery clear to the triage nurse he cannot come to mine. I'm just staying to make sure that this is made clear to the mental health team when they arrive.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 23:12

Flowery clear? *VERY clear.

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Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 23:12

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 23:11

I have - I wouldn't let them change his home address on the system to mine when he was booked in. I've been flowery clear to the triage nurse he cannot come to mine. I'm just staying to make sure that this is made clear to the mental health team when they arrive.

OK. Best of luck hun. A hug from me

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 23:13

Thank you @Lallydallydune

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itsmabeline · 05/12/2024 23:20

You are so compassionate, I'm amazed.

I'm really sorry but at this point I would take the admission of threat he made via you to your daughter and put it in writing and email it to someone or many people, including his mental health team.

This needs to be recorded by his mental health team.

After stating this he should never be allowed in your home again, no matter how compassionate you are.

If that were me, my blood would run cold. I would immediately inform his mental health team that he had made such a disclosure and that I am to be removed from his list of emergency contacts, and that I should not be contacted in future for any issue related to him. I really would. I would go completely no contract with him. I would inform my friend down the road of this. I would inform my parents of this. I would NOT have this person at my house ever again, brother or not.

Summon your anger and protective instincts. He's word down your boundaries over months and years to stop you from seeing that this is a the reddest of red lines. Draw it now.

Who cares who thinks you're abandoning him?
Abandon him!
He threatened your daughter's life.

SpryCat · 05/12/2024 23:26

Im so sorry @inigomontoyahwillcox you must be in shock! It’s abundantly clear he can never stay at yours ever again! Your friends must of been frightened, thank god their daughter is away. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have been put off as being armchair therapists.
I think your brother was enraged because you are putting your little family ahead of him and he blames your daughter for it as she said she needs to study. He was also peed off when your dad mentioned it too as he doesn’t think anyone’s needs are as important as his and that he has a right to be the centre of attention all the time. God forbid if anyone gets in the way as he to be number one.
sending you a virtual hug x

saraclara · 05/12/2024 23:28

itsmabeline · 05/12/2024 23:20

You are so compassionate, I'm amazed.

I'm really sorry but at this point I would take the admission of threat he made via you to your daughter and put it in writing and email it to someone or many people, including his mental health team.

This needs to be recorded by his mental health team.

After stating this he should never be allowed in your home again, no matter how compassionate you are.

If that were me, my blood would run cold. I would immediately inform his mental health team that he had made such a disclosure and that I am to be removed from his list of emergency contacts, and that I should not be contacted in future for any issue related to him. I really would. I would go completely no contract with him. I would inform my friend down the road of this. I would inform my parents of this. I would NOT have this person at my house ever again, brother or not.

Summon your anger and protective instincts. He's word down your boundaries over months and years to stop you from seeing that this is a the reddest of red lines. Draw it now.

Who cares who thinks you're abandoning him?
Abandon him!
He threatened your daughter's life.

OP isn't stupid. She knows what she's doing and why she's remaining at the hospital for now. She's not going to put DD at risk and she doesn't need you shouting at her.

Let's keep any advice giving, calm and measured.

itsmabeline · 05/12/2024 23:29

"she doesn't need you shouting at her.

Let's keep any advice giving, calm and measured."

@saraclara I think you need to look up the word shouting

Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 23:35

It's scary what the OPs brother said about the daughter.

But it IS something that needs to be realised about severely mentally ill people.

Some of them are not just at risk of hurting themselves.

They are also at risk of hurting others.

If their minds are very unwell and they don't have much of a grip on reality, there is a risk that they will hurt others.

We are always told to be sympathetic to mentally ill people. Yes but we also need to think of ourselves and keep ourselves and our loved ones safe.

SpryCat · 05/12/2024 23:37

I would get all your locks changed as soon as possible so you have peace of mind when he gets discharged at a later date so you know your daughter is safe when she is home alone.

LAMPS1 · 05/12/2024 23:37

OP, I’m so sorry to read your shocking update. How devastating for you and I understand completely why you need to talk to the mental health team personally and hand him over securely and with full information as to why he can’t ever end up back at yours when he is discharged.

He has made sure the ordeal will go on for you forever, as you will never forget this threat from him to your DD. But at least he has handed you all the rationale you need to never entertain him again in your home.

My heart goes out to you waiting there with him. I hope it’s not too long before you can get back to your bed.

LetsNCagain · 05/12/2024 23:39

I agree with itsmabeline.

it just shows how boiled-a-frog op is, that a 53yo man has said to her "I've fantasised about strangling your daughter" (or words to that effect) and her reaction is to take him to a+e, stay with him there all night, showing care and compassion towards him, instead of her daughter.

If a man, any man, and yes I'm including family members of mine who have been through psychosis, said this about my daughter I'd be rushing straight home to her, locking and bolting all doors. I wouldn't have any headspace spare to care about the welfare of the threatening man.

It doesn't matter that it's her uncle. Girls are just as likely to be attacked by an uncle as a stranger. Who knows if he's made her feel unsafe already.

Op's priorities are strangely topsy-turvy, I just can't empathise at all. As I said upthread, I have family history of close family members being sectioned. But her reaction makes no sense to me

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 23:43

FFS I'm here for the specific purpose of keeping DD safe!

She is safe and sound at home with DH, she has no clue about this.

I am here, making sure he stays here.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 23:45

And for what it's worth he didn't say he'd been fantasising about attacking her - he said he was scared he was going to attack her. A subtle but very important difference.

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CatHole · 05/12/2024 23:45

Well that exploded on the friends doorstep @inigomontoyahwillcox would love to hear the emotional arc they very quickly had to process.

Take care and this will all pass. Calmer days ahead

saraclara · 05/12/2024 23:46

LetsNCagain · 05/12/2024 23:39

I agree with itsmabeline.

it just shows how boiled-a-frog op is, that a 53yo man has said to her "I've fantasised about strangling your daughter" (or words to that effect) and her reaction is to take him to a+e, stay with him there all night, showing care and compassion towards him, instead of her daughter.

If a man, any man, and yes I'm including family members of mine who have been through psychosis, said this about my daughter I'd be rushing straight home to her, locking and bolting all doors. I wouldn't have any headspace spare to care about the welfare of the threatening man.

It doesn't matter that it's her uncle. Girls are just as likely to be attacked by an uncle as a stranger. Who knows if he's made her feel unsafe already.

Op's priorities are strangely topsy-turvy, I just can't empathise at all. As I said upthread, I have family history of close family members being sectioned. But her reaction makes no sense to me

OP has explained more than once, that she's staying there to make sure that they don't release him. And that's entirely sensible. She'll sleep better tonight if she knows he's been admitted, and she's the one best placed to make sure that happens.

People are talking to her as if she's taking this lightly. She really isn't.

Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 23:47

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 23:45

And for what it's worth he didn't say he'd been fantasising about attacking her - he said he was scared he was going to attack her. A subtle but very important difference.

Yes that is a subtle but important difference.

It's not that he wants to hurt her, I think

It's that he is so mentally unwell, he is losing all control of his actions, and he is scared of what he will do.

Either way he shouldn't be around your daughter again.

But the wording of what he said is important too

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 23:48

Thank you @Lallydallydune x

OP posts:
Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 23:48

LetsNCagain · 05/12/2024 23:39

I agree with itsmabeline.

it just shows how boiled-a-frog op is, that a 53yo man has said to her "I've fantasised about strangling your daughter" (or words to that effect) and her reaction is to take him to a+e, stay with him there all night, showing care and compassion towards him, instead of her daughter.

If a man, any man, and yes I'm including family members of mine who have been through psychosis, said this about my daughter I'd be rushing straight home to her, locking and bolting all doors. I wouldn't have any headspace spare to care about the welfare of the threatening man.

It doesn't matter that it's her uncle. Girls are just as likely to be attacked by an uncle as a stranger. Who knows if he's made her feel unsafe already.

Op's priorities are strangely topsy-turvy, I just can't empathise at all. As I said upthread, I have family history of close family members being sectioned. But her reaction makes no sense to me

Can you lay off her. She's staying there until he's sent to a psychiatric hospital. She wants to know what's happening before she goes.

SpryCat · 05/12/2024 23:49

Don’t take any notice, you are doing the right thing @inigomontoyahwillcox your daughter is safe and your making sure your brother is admitted with all details correct

LetsNCagain · 05/12/2024 23:55

saraclara · 05/12/2024 23:46

OP has explained more than once, that she's staying there to make sure that they don't release him. And that's entirely sensible. She'll sleep better tonight if she knows he's been admitted, and she's the one best placed to make sure that happens.

People are talking to her as if she's taking this lightly. She really isn't.

Edited

But I don't really see that op being there will make it any more or less likely that brother will be admitted or not (and yes, I have had some broadly similar experiences with family members). They will admit him based on their assessment of his condition. And partly, seeing op there in the role of responsible guardian, I think the hospital staff are, if anything, more likely to say "he's free to leave" knowing that she's there as a safety net. Even if she says "I don't want him to stay at mine".

Actions speak louder than words. Nothing will convince the brother that he is no longer welcome at op's house, than a locked door.

I think that, deep down, op is partly there in hospital with him because she hasn't shaken off her instinct of duty of care for her brother.

LetsNCagain · 05/12/2024 23:56

Alright, I'm sorry. I can see it seems I'm nagging op. Sorry op. Good luck.

SheilaFentiman · 05/12/2024 23:57

Oh op, what a huge shock. I hope you get seen soon and can go home and rest.

Zofloramummy · 06/12/2024 00:06

I’ve read the thread, it’s interesting that one of the main reasons why he has to leave is because of DD’s exams. Now he is verbalising a risk of harm to her.

If he isn’t admitted to hospital then there is no choices left. He cannot return to the house.