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I can't cope with depressed brother being so reliant on me. Feel like a bitch for saying that.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:47

I'm so sorry - this going to be so long - but I need to get this out. I'm up with this awful cough/chest infection which makes it impossible to lie down and sleep. Been ill since last Tuesday. Have had virtually no sleep since then. Pretty sure a lot of you will think I'm a heartless cow, but I'm getting to my wits end.

Context. My brother (quite significantly older than me) has suffered from depression since he was a teen. He has been on antidepressants since then, except for a couple of occasions when he's taken himself off them for one reason or another, which have ended up in disaster. He lives about 2.5 hours away from me.

For some years now he has been spending more and more time at my house with my DH, DD and I. He lives alone and came to stay with us during lock down, and has often come to stay with us, sometimes for weeks, off and on since then when he's feeling low or had a crappy couple of weeks (e.g. work stress). I've always said to him of course he can come, how can I not, but he's often then stayed and stayed, prolonging his stay without discussing it with me - just declaring he's not going to go home for another week at the end of his planned stay.

He has a fantastic job in the civil service, but has had lot and lots of absences for various ailments over the past couple of years and they are understandably getting serious about his attendance. He seems to think this is very unfair and how they just don't understand. I've tried gently - but seriously - to explain that you can indeed be dismissed for repeated or lengthy absences.

In May this year he started getting some odd physical symptoms - balance issues/vertigo mainly (other very vague things like feeling cold, and out of it) - I rushed down there to him when this initially happened as he took himself to hospital thinking he was having a stroke. Ultimately anything serious was ruled out and after taking him to a few appointments for some further checks I drove him back to mine to stay. He decided that these symptoms were due to his antidepressant (that he'd been on for 15 years), so agreed with his GP to reduce his dose to an incredibly small one (questionable that it was even therapeutic anymore - it was 1/4 of the starting dose, he had been on double the starting dose for 15 years). His physical symptoms did clear up eventually - he put this down to this reduction in his antidepressants - I wasn't so convinced. I also voiced my concern that he was now effectively not on antidepressants and we all know how that had ended up in the past and that he needed to push to try another antidepressant if he didn't want to go back to his old one.

He eventually went back home and to work, and was there for a few months until he started experiencing stomach issues, now diagnosed as IBS (which I know is not fun - I've had it for years myself) and yet again took himself off work. He was working with his GP and a dietician and put on the FODMAP diet which he's still on. Again, he came to ours for a few weeks. His work were getting very ancy by this time and he started to do some hours remotely from ours as he had no choice. Eventually he went home again, he was home for a week only then for his depression to increase so I told him to get an emergency appointment with his GP who told him to double his dose last week. Well all hell broke loose (assuming side effects of increasing the dose). I've been ill for a couple of months now with all these bloody relentless viruses (also been very anemic for a lot longer and recently had a couple of infusions and currently undergoing tests to find out why - so you can imagine how rough I've been feeling), but last Tuesday I came down with proper flu (raging temp etc.) and have been in bed since and have been mainly off work (doing work when needed from bed). I never take time off work, honestly have to be at deaths door - have subsequently developed a chest infection and am on antibiotics. Got a call from my brother at 5:30am on Wednesday with him feeling awful saying I needed to drive down and collect him, after explaining I couldn't as I was ill asked to speak to DH and asked him to go. I said to DH that he couldn't, he had work plus he was helping me out with a work event in the evening which I obviously couldn't attend any more but he still needed to arrange some stuff and be there for a short while. I put my foot down and said he had to either drive, get the train or wait until we could drive to him and if he was in crisis to call his local crisis team immediately. He eventually said he would drive as he couldn't fit all the stuff he wanted to bring in a backpack so the train was out (so he'd get obviously decided at that point he was coming for a while).

Since he's been with us he has been waking me up every morning at silly-o'clock (e.g. 5-6), as he's been experiencing massive anxiety. I've been woken up three times now to him standing in our bedroom crying and saying he can't cope. I am getting about 2 hours of sleep per night due to this chest infection anyway, and have usually only just dropped off when he's waking me up. At this rate I'm never going to get better. DH had to stop him coming into our bedroom the other day when I had eventually managed to doze off. Anyway, called the local out of hours crisis team yesterday morning and sat with him whilst he spoke to them, they're seeing him this morning and have told him to register as a temporary patient at my local GP and they are hopefully going to make a plan going forward - e.g. moving to a new antidepressant (I hope). On the phone he said to them he was going to stay with me indefinitely (no discussion with me) and can't see himself doing his job for some months.

In the past when he's had a crisis like this he's decamped to our parents who look after him for months whilst he recovers and he finds a new job - but he's decided that he finds it too stressful to stay with them (they're getting on now as well). I can see what is going to happen. He is going to loose his job, loose his rented flat as a result and have nowhere to live but here with us. So, unemployed, living with us indefinitely. And what choice do I have?

It's really stressful when he stays with us - just the whole dynamic/routine of the household goes out the window. He has always been single and as a result his life revolves around himself, he spreads himself and his things around the house, and changes/moves/breaks thing (little things, but they all add up) and gets argumentative when I ask him not to do something. My home just doesn't feel like my home anymore; I can't spend evenings chilling out lying on the sofa in front of the telly with DH, as we often do, he's often lying on the sofa watching TV himself, he smokes although takes himself outside but his clothes smell of smoke. He is in our small spare room (well, he's on the sofa tonight for some reason) which we had just recently decked out as DD's study as her bedroom isn't really big enough for a desk; she's finishing her mocks tomorrow and has her GCSEs in May - she has ADHD and it's been incredibly challenging for her academically, but we'd really turned a corner recently and she's determined to get into 6th form, I'm so worried all of this is going to upheave her, stress her out and affect her performance; she's been so proud of her achievements recently and I think if she does badly now what little confidence she'd recently gained will disappear.

I am pretty sure a straw will break the camel's back and I will end up loosing it with him at some point, or just getting incredibly stressed and ill (stress usually manifests itself physically with me as I just try to ignore it and push on through - I've had my own mental health battles). But how can I effectively abandon my depressed brother? I love him dearly, and want him to be well, but he's come to rely on me so heavily that it's becoming too much. He's really not helped himself; taking so much time off work for spurious reasons and now he really needs the time off they are challenging him and his job is in jeopardy; him not taking my advice about not going cold turkey on the antidepressants without a plan to start a new one; just the assumption that we can constantly put our lives on hold. DH is being incredibly understanding - but I can even see him getting frustrated by my brother over the past few months. DH also had a huge mental breakdown last year and attempted suicide twice, he's only just got back on some sort of even keel about 6 months ago but is still recovering. Jesus, what if HE ends up breaking down again and then I've got 2 men in crisis to look after?! I've got my own full time stressful job to do as well, plus a neurodivergent daughter to keep on track. I'm terrified! I honestly don't know what to do for the best. He has very good friends but they don't live in the same city as him, but other than them and my parents, we're all he has.

What the fuck do I do?

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Princessfluffy · 05/12/2024 19:36

Do not let your brother come back to your house OP.

Pack up his stuff. Text him to say you have changed your mind about him staying with you til January as it's just not working for you and your family.

And yes, drop the rope. Don't try to sort anything else out for him. Concentrate on sorting out YOURSELF. Get yourself well and make yourself and dd and DH your priority.

CatHole · 05/12/2024 20:43

I feel like we should organise an anger management retreat for all us sisters to drop the rope.
My mum is currently angry at me for not prioritising my brother at Xmas. I have work, friends, children, DH, in-laws and box sets. All of whom have provided more support and warmth over the last year than my brother in an entire decade.

Hotflushesandchilblains · 05/12/2024 21:07

OP, when you go to the meeting with the psychiatrist (and I think that is really important, otherwise your brother will give them a totally skewed idea of what is going on), it is important to emphasis the constant crisis state your brother is in, that it has reached a level where it is not sustainable for you to support him, and that any discharge plan cannot include him living at your house or relying on you for significant amounts of help, due to your own health needs.

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ApriCat · 05/12/2024 22:16

any discharge plan cannot include him living at your house or relying on you for significant amounts of help, due to your own health needs

And those of your DH. It surely cannot be healthy for a man with a recent history of attempted suicide to be thrown into caring for another with serious MH problems.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 22:31

Well the shit hit the fan. Had a call from the friend saying that he needs to go to hospital (no shit) as he's saying that he's going to explode and start trashing the place and hurting people.

I'm now in A&E with him. He's disclosed that he specifically feels like he's going to strangle my daughter. I'm very glad he's vocalised this as it cements in my and everyone's head that he can no longer be at my house. The nurse was very interested in my daughter and her ADHD status, took all her details, I also told her about DH being in recovery from a suicide attempt. We're now waiting for the mental health team.

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OriginalUsername2 · 05/12/2024 22:39

Fucking hell.

You must be wrecked hearing that. I’m so sorry.

StartupRepair · 05/12/2024 22:40

God. This has to be the turning point for everything. Thinking of you.

ApriCat · 05/12/2024 22:43

Oh dear god, Inigo. You must be exhausted and in shock.

I once felt genuinely threatened by my own sibling during his psychotic episode and it's been hard to get past that. Don't know how a relationship gets over a threat to a child.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 22:45

ApriCat · 05/12/2024 22:43

Oh dear god, Inigo. You must be exhausted and in shock.

I once felt genuinely threatened by my own sibling during his psychotic episode and it's been hard to get past that. Don't know how a relationship gets over a threat to a child.

I was asleep on the sofa when I got the call - was already shattered. Actually a bit worried about driving home (am 45 mins away) as I'm going to be here for a few hours and my eyelids are already drooping.

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MrsAga · 05/12/2024 22:46

Thank goodness he vocalised this before acting on it. He’s obviously really struggling so hopefully they’ll admit him & have a workable plan in place before his release.
Youre in for a long night I think. I hope there’s a good outcome & you all get proper help. 💐

ApriCat · 05/12/2024 22:46

Can you catnap in a chair? What's happening now -- stuck in hospital limbo waiting for things to happen?

LetsNCagain · 05/12/2024 22:47

He's disclosed that he specifically feels like he's going to strangle my daughter.

Well, that'd be it from me. I don't know why you're in a+e with him, I really don't, sorry. That 53yo man would never step within 500yd of me or my daughter ever, ever again.

Sorry op but i just can't empathise why you keep pandering to this abusive man.

Leave him in a+e, go home to your precious daughter, keep the door locked.

ApriCat · 05/12/2024 22:50

I should imagine Inigo needs to know what's happening, LetsNCagain, and that someone else has eyes on him and has all the relevant information.

Popcorn23 · 05/12/2024 22:51

Just wanted to post to say how sorry I am that you are going through so much.

I have a very depressed sibling whose mental health has been the focal point of our family for many decades now. It's like an inescapable vortex that takes over your life. No one in the family can plan anything or try to do something 'normal' without it centring around my sibling's feelings. I know I seem insensitive but it wears you down so much and I've seen my parents broken over it, especially as they are accused of being 'uncaring' by someone who has refused to help themselves and has drained them financially.

Sometimes you just have to think about yourself to survive, otherwise you'll end up even more unwell yourself.

At least now you can prioritise yourself and your child without feeling any guilt. He can't be allowed back in your home.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 22:52

ApriCat · 05/12/2024 22:46

Can you catnap in a chair? What's happening now -- stuck in hospital limbo waiting for things to happen?

Yep, just in limbo - the nurse was trying to expedite him and see if she could get him into a quiet room but this place is bursting at the seams. It is going to be a very long night.

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BenditlikeBridget · 05/12/2024 22:53

Don’t take this the wrong way, but I’m actually really pleased it’s come to a head in this way. This must now be the line in the sand.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 22:54

LetsNCagain · 05/12/2024 22:47

He's disclosed that he specifically feels like he's going to strangle my daughter.

Well, that'd be it from me. I don't know why you're in a+e with him, I really don't, sorry. That 53yo man would never step within 500yd of me or my daughter ever, ever again.

Sorry op but i just can't empathise why you keep pandering to this abusive man.

Leave him in a+e, go home to your precious daughter, keep the door locked.

I have to be here - I need to make it abundantly clear to the mental health team that he can't come home and needs admitting. Otherwise I'll be terrified they'll discharge him and he'll just turn up in a taxi on my doorstep.

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LetsNCagain · 05/12/2024 22:55

ApriCat · 05/12/2024 22:50

I should imagine Inigo needs to know what's happening, LetsNCagain, and that someone else has eyes on him and has all the relevant information.

She probably feels that, but really, does she need to know? Does she need to know?

No. She is not responsible for her brother, his actions, or his welfare.

What will happen if she leaves him in a+e in the charge of health professionals? Why must she be kept updated live as to his developments? What difference would it realistically make if she were not constantly updated?

It's 11pm. Op could just...go home to bed.

Her brother will be fine. Or not. There's nothing op can or should do. Just drop the rope.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 22:55

BenditlikeBridget · 05/12/2024 22:53

Don’t take this the wrong way, but I’m actually really pleased it’s come to a head in this way. This must now be the line in the sand.

No, I agree, me too. It makes things easier in a way.

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LetsNCagain · 05/12/2024 22:56

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 22:54

I have to be here - I need to make it abundantly clear to the mental health team that he can't come home and needs admitting. Otherwise I'll be terrified they'll discharge him and he'll just turn up in a taxi on my doorstep.

Cross posted op. If he turns up at your doorstep, you keep it locked.

He has threatened to attack your daughter. It is really simple. You do not let him in. If he forces entry, police.

AluckyEllie · 05/12/2024 22:58

You are not responsible for him, he is in a safe place. Go home. Let it start to sink in for him that he needs to find other coping mechanisms and you are not it. First thing tomorrow get your locks changed. Pack his bags. He’s basically threatening violence now you’ve finally given ultimatums. Stop pandering to him cranking up his behaviour to get attention.

Sorry to be harsh but you need to remove yourself from his chaos. You already have a recently suicidal husband and a daughter who is going through a stressful period of life. They should be your priority. Your brother will always have some element of chaos in his life, remove yourself. You need to stop being a martyr (I mean this nicely.)

LetsNCagain · 05/12/2024 23:01

It is going to be a very long night.

It really doesn't have to be. You absolutely can (and I think, would be better to) say "well good luck brother, I wish you all the best, you're in safe hands here. Oh and btw for my dd's safety, you are not to go near her or my house ever again. Take care" and you drive home and go to bed.

Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 23:05

Its shocking that he said that he has felt like physically hurting your daughter.

There are times when I've felt really genuinely afraid of my mentally ill older brother.

Some severely mentally ill people have been known to murder people, as they lose all sense of reality, and start seeing people as demons that must be killed.

When people are severely mentally ill, I don't think it's that safe to be around them

Latenightreader · 05/12/2024 23:08

This feels like he is showing his true colours. He is blaming your daughter for his ‘eviction’, in his mind she is the reason he can’t do exactly as he wants and be looked after by you. This may well be his illness speaking, or it could be a man who is not used to people saying no. Whichever it is I completely see why you need to spell it out to the professionals that you are done.

Good luck tonight. I hope you get some rest.

Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 23:09

Just thinking of you op , but why don't you tell them now firmly that he has a flat, nd he was only staying with you temporarily. Say that he is not to come back to your house.

I wouldn't stay there with him overnight.

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