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I can't cope with depressed brother being so reliant on me. Feel like a bitch for saying that.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:47

I'm so sorry - this going to be so long - but I need to get this out. I'm up with this awful cough/chest infection which makes it impossible to lie down and sleep. Been ill since last Tuesday. Have had virtually no sleep since then. Pretty sure a lot of you will think I'm a heartless cow, but I'm getting to my wits end.

Context. My brother (quite significantly older than me) has suffered from depression since he was a teen. He has been on antidepressants since then, except for a couple of occasions when he's taken himself off them for one reason or another, which have ended up in disaster. He lives about 2.5 hours away from me.

For some years now he has been spending more and more time at my house with my DH, DD and I. He lives alone and came to stay with us during lock down, and has often come to stay with us, sometimes for weeks, off and on since then when he's feeling low or had a crappy couple of weeks (e.g. work stress). I've always said to him of course he can come, how can I not, but he's often then stayed and stayed, prolonging his stay without discussing it with me - just declaring he's not going to go home for another week at the end of his planned stay.

He has a fantastic job in the civil service, but has had lot and lots of absences for various ailments over the past couple of years and they are understandably getting serious about his attendance. He seems to think this is very unfair and how they just don't understand. I've tried gently - but seriously - to explain that you can indeed be dismissed for repeated or lengthy absences.

In May this year he started getting some odd physical symptoms - balance issues/vertigo mainly (other very vague things like feeling cold, and out of it) - I rushed down there to him when this initially happened as he took himself to hospital thinking he was having a stroke. Ultimately anything serious was ruled out and after taking him to a few appointments for some further checks I drove him back to mine to stay. He decided that these symptoms were due to his antidepressant (that he'd been on for 15 years), so agreed with his GP to reduce his dose to an incredibly small one (questionable that it was even therapeutic anymore - it was 1/4 of the starting dose, he had been on double the starting dose for 15 years). His physical symptoms did clear up eventually - he put this down to this reduction in his antidepressants - I wasn't so convinced. I also voiced my concern that he was now effectively not on antidepressants and we all know how that had ended up in the past and that he needed to push to try another antidepressant if he didn't want to go back to his old one.

He eventually went back home and to work, and was there for a few months until he started experiencing stomach issues, now diagnosed as IBS (which I know is not fun - I've had it for years myself) and yet again took himself off work. He was working with his GP and a dietician and put on the FODMAP diet which he's still on. Again, he came to ours for a few weeks. His work were getting very ancy by this time and he started to do some hours remotely from ours as he had no choice. Eventually he went home again, he was home for a week only then for his depression to increase so I told him to get an emergency appointment with his GP who told him to double his dose last week. Well all hell broke loose (assuming side effects of increasing the dose). I've been ill for a couple of months now with all these bloody relentless viruses (also been very anemic for a lot longer and recently had a couple of infusions and currently undergoing tests to find out why - so you can imagine how rough I've been feeling), but last Tuesday I came down with proper flu (raging temp etc.) and have been in bed since and have been mainly off work (doing work when needed from bed). I never take time off work, honestly have to be at deaths door - have subsequently developed a chest infection and am on antibiotics. Got a call from my brother at 5:30am on Wednesday with him feeling awful saying I needed to drive down and collect him, after explaining I couldn't as I was ill asked to speak to DH and asked him to go. I said to DH that he couldn't, he had work plus he was helping me out with a work event in the evening which I obviously couldn't attend any more but he still needed to arrange some stuff and be there for a short while. I put my foot down and said he had to either drive, get the train or wait until we could drive to him and if he was in crisis to call his local crisis team immediately. He eventually said he would drive as he couldn't fit all the stuff he wanted to bring in a backpack so the train was out (so he'd get obviously decided at that point he was coming for a while).

Since he's been with us he has been waking me up every morning at silly-o'clock (e.g. 5-6), as he's been experiencing massive anxiety. I've been woken up three times now to him standing in our bedroom crying and saying he can't cope. I am getting about 2 hours of sleep per night due to this chest infection anyway, and have usually only just dropped off when he's waking me up. At this rate I'm never going to get better. DH had to stop him coming into our bedroom the other day when I had eventually managed to doze off. Anyway, called the local out of hours crisis team yesterday morning and sat with him whilst he spoke to them, they're seeing him this morning and have told him to register as a temporary patient at my local GP and they are hopefully going to make a plan going forward - e.g. moving to a new antidepressant (I hope). On the phone he said to them he was going to stay with me indefinitely (no discussion with me) and can't see himself doing his job for some months.

In the past when he's had a crisis like this he's decamped to our parents who look after him for months whilst he recovers and he finds a new job - but he's decided that he finds it too stressful to stay with them (they're getting on now as well). I can see what is going to happen. He is going to loose his job, loose his rented flat as a result and have nowhere to live but here with us. So, unemployed, living with us indefinitely. And what choice do I have?

It's really stressful when he stays with us - just the whole dynamic/routine of the household goes out the window. He has always been single and as a result his life revolves around himself, he spreads himself and his things around the house, and changes/moves/breaks thing (little things, but they all add up) and gets argumentative when I ask him not to do something. My home just doesn't feel like my home anymore; I can't spend evenings chilling out lying on the sofa in front of the telly with DH, as we often do, he's often lying on the sofa watching TV himself, he smokes although takes himself outside but his clothes smell of smoke. He is in our small spare room (well, he's on the sofa tonight for some reason) which we had just recently decked out as DD's study as her bedroom isn't really big enough for a desk; she's finishing her mocks tomorrow and has her GCSEs in May - she has ADHD and it's been incredibly challenging for her academically, but we'd really turned a corner recently and she's determined to get into 6th form, I'm so worried all of this is going to upheave her, stress her out and affect her performance; she's been so proud of her achievements recently and I think if she does badly now what little confidence she'd recently gained will disappear.

I am pretty sure a straw will break the camel's back and I will end up loosing it with him at some point, or just getting incredibly stressed and ill (stress usually manifests itself physically with me as I just try to ignore it and push on through - I've had my own mental health battles). But how can I effectively abandon my depressed brother? I love him dearly, and want him to be well, but he's come to rely on me so heavily that it's becoming too much. He's really not helped himself; taking so much time off work for spurious reasons and now he really needs the time off they are challenging him and his job is in jeopardy; him not taking my advice about not going cold turkey on the antidepressants without a plan to start a new one; just the assumption that we can constantly put our lives on hold. DH is being incredibly understanding - but I can even see him getting frustrated by my brother over the past few months. DH also had a huge mental breakdown last year and attempted suicide twice, he's only just got back on some sort of even keel about 6 months ago but is still recovering. Jesus, what if HE ends up breaking down again and then I've got 2 men in crisis to look after?! I've got my own full time stressful job to do as well, plus a neurodivergent daughter to keep on track. I'm terrified! I honestly don't know what to do for the best. He has very good friends but they don't live in the same city as him, but other than them and my parents, we're all he has.

What the fuck do I do?

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SpryCat · 05/12/2024 15:16

You have warned your friends and told them what he is trying to do so I wouldn’t worry about him being there. Just take this time to rest @inigomontoyahwillcox he is pushing the boundaries and you can see through him. I hope I don’t come over as harsh on my posts I had a childhood of gaslighting and manipulation from my parents and can see straight through it all online as well as in real life. We are all behind you x

mbosnz · 05/12/2024 15:20

@SpryCat , I can't speak for the OP, but I genuinely find your posts very clear-sighted, and wise.

BerriesCones · 05/12/2024 15:21

He's making you ill OP. This has to stop.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 15:21

mbosnz · 05/12/2024 15:20

@SpryCat , I can't speak for the OP, but I genuinely find your posts very clear-sighted, and wise.

I agree.

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Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 15:22

SpryCat · 05/12/2024 15:16

You have warned your friends and told them what he is trying to do so I wouldn’t worry about him being there. Just take this time to rest @inigomontoyahwillcox he is pushing the boundaries and you can see through him. I hope I don’t come over as harsh on my posts I had a childhood of gaslighting and manipulation from my parents and can see straight through it all online as well as in real life. We are all behind you x

Me too.

I also feel that i can see through the manipulation.

Dontbeme · 05/12/2024 16:02

This is all under the guise of "giving me a break"

Oh so they have decided between them to give you a little break have they, so you can recharge for three days to put up with years more of this bull? Pack up your brother's belongings and pop them into messiah neighbours, thank them for intervening when they saw how situation with DB have been affecting DH, DD and your health. Come home and change the locks, your DB having left of his own steam doesn't get to come back when he decides you have learned your lesson.

Being honest OP I would question how much of DB behaviour is mental illness and how much is learned behaviour or personality disorder. You haven't even had a chance to get stability back for your family after your DH was unwell, your DD has exams and her own struggles, you have been shouldering all that and now your DB seems very happy to drag you all down with him. I would be livid with him and the neighbour for involving himself in family matters against your wishes. The more people prop up your brother the further he will be from real, professional help.

ItGhoul · 05/12/2024 16:05

Your brother needs professional help and you cannot possibly provide that. I doubt your parents can either, but they are, at least, his parents and the people who chose to bring him into the world. They're not responsible for his wellbeing any more, obviously, but I think it would be more appropriate for them to be looking after him than you. You have your own partner and children and they need to be your focus, not your brother.

Oldrunner · 05/12/2024 16:07

Don't be livid .
You did your best to let your friend know the true picture. We all know the story your brother will tell will be quite different. But your friend is an adult and its his choice to become involved. Some people "need" to feel needed and you cannot manage his decisions. I suspect he'll quickly tire of the demands your brother makes on all others round him and realise you ( and husband and daughter)have been amazing supporting such a manipulative and self centred person for so long. Your brother is probably doing this to guilt trip you and bluff into agreeing he can stay longer. But it's given you an unexpected opportunity to get some rest and time together just the 3 of you so make the most of that. You offered to keep him till afterXmas but he's chucked that back in your face. He's changed the boundaries you set on place so you can as well.
Pack up all of his belongings and make sure he takes everything with him. Lock the doors and switch off your phones. Disengage, disengage, disengage until the appointment next week . Make sure you go to that and put his medical team fully in the picture about the situation at your home, your health, your daughters health and your husbands health and explain that's why you are not prepared to have him living with you again.
Re starting new meds- doesn't need to stay with you for that.
You are doing amazing OP. We've all got your back. Hope you and dd and husband have a peaceful night.

itsmabeline · 05/12/2024 16:10

Announce that you're pregnant and so he has to leave.

itsmabeline · 05/12/2024 16:21

I had only read your first post, now I've just read some of your others. I'm so sorry you're going through that and for my flippant remark. You are taking on so much. You cannot be the crisis team for your husband and your brother at the same time.

Your daughter and husband should take priority, but you also deserve to prioritise yourself. You are taking on so much stress from people around you, when do you get the freedom to just be you and at peace?

Protecting your daughter's mental health and your own should be your priority, whenever any questions about what to do arise. Those should be number one.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 16:52

DH is in London at his work Xmas do, DD and I are in her favourite restaurant having a treat. Aaand breathe (temporarily).

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 16:53

That's OK @itsmabeline it's a long thread!

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Ellie56 · 05/12/2024 16:55

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 16:52

DH is in London at his work Xmas do, DD and I are in her favourite restaurant having a treat. Aaand breathe (temporarily).

Lovely.

You both deserve a treat having put up with all this shit for so long.

JennieTheZebra · 05/12/2024 16:58

I’m a MH nurse. Has he ever had a hospital admission? It seems to me like an informal, short term (a week or two, maybe a month) admission to a psychiatric ward would be a good idea, just to get a grip on diagnosis and get him started on medication that actually works. He sounds like he’s in pretty much permanent crisis, which obviously isn’t sustainable, and psychiatric wards can be really good at adding in a bit of a breather and so calming a situation down, as well as developing an ongoing care plan that works for everyone, not just him. Contrary
to popular belief, there are resources for such admissions and mental health teams can be open to the suggestion, especially if a situation is starting to spiral out of control. Hospital can sound scary but they’re really not the asylums of the past-there’s internet, vending machines, he can have his phone and some even have games consoles, plus, if he’s informal, he can have leave to go out if the ward gets a bit much. I would mention it to his psychiatrist and see what he thinks.

Daleksatemyshed · 05/12/2024 17:08

Your DBs made a mistake here Op because now instead of feeling guilty you've found your anger. Your neighbour is happy for your DB to stay for a bit but I'd be very interested to see if he's waking them at 5am or calling the crisis team every day, if not, then it shows he's been manipulating you. It seems your DB doesn't really care who looks after him just as long as someone does.

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 05/12/2024 17:15

He certainly doesn't let the grass grow under his feet does he!
The brazen cheek of him!

Dreammalildream · 05/12/2024 17:28

Let your saviour friend save him for a few days- you cannot change what they do, you can only change what you do.

So this is what i would do - use the 3 days respite to pack up all his stuff, take it to the friends and say you will support from afar in whichever way you're comfortable (to be honest i don't think he deserves anything from you but i know that's easy for me to say) but tell them you cannot have brother to live in your house anymore. And mean it. You let him back in, he's going to be burrowing in as fast as he can and he will lean into every bit of your misplaced guilt to ensure he can stay.

Stay livid. It'll give you the strength you need to get him out for good.

Your parents are shits for letting you get to this age from the age of SEVEN without ever rescuing you from this situation THEY and HE have allowed to happen where you feel so responsible for him that you're literally sacrificing yourself. Your mum and dad have truly created themselves in their own image.

I hope you and dd enjoy your evening - you've earned it.

Dreammalildream · 05/12/2024 17:32

Also your friends may be doing what they are doing out of love for you - they see you driving yourself into the ground to support him because they don't think you'll kick him out, so they're trying to help YOU. (As well as being too helpful for their own good to middle aged men with mental health crises). Hopefully they've now got the message anyway. They will do after having him wake them up at 5am every day - except i very much doubt he will do that because i suspect he only does it to you.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 17:44

JennieTheZebra · 05/12/2024 16:58

I’m a MH nurse. Has he ever had a hospital admission? It seems to me like an informal, short term (a week or two, maybe a month) admission to a psychiatric ward would be a good idea, just to get a grip on diagnosis and get him started on medication that actually works. He sounds like he’s in pretty much permanent crisis, which obviously isn’t sustainable, and psychiatric wards can be really good at adding in a bit of a breather and so calming a situation down, as well as developing an ongoing care plan that works for everyone, not just him. Contrary
to popular belief, there are resources for such admissions and mental health teams can be open to the suggestion, especially if a situation is starting to spiral out of control. Hospital can sound scary but they’re really not the asylums of the past-there’s internet, vending machines, he can have his phone and some even have games consoles, plus, if he’s informal, he can have leave to go out if the ward gets a bit much. I would mention it to his psychiatrist and see what he thinks.

He has had about 3 voluntary admissions to hospital over the years. I am going to insist that he goes to hospital on Tuesday when he goes to see the psychiatrist. But if he does I'm going to be firm about expectations when he comes out - i.e. not convalescing at ours - they will need to transfer his care to wherever he has to go.

I told my friend earlier that he shouldn't be at theirs, but in hospital and he was very cynical about hospitals and thought I should keep him out of hospitals at all cost. FFS.

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Dreammalildream · 05/12/2024 17:58

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 17:44

He has had about 3 voluntary admissions to hospital over the years. I am going to insist that he goes to hospital on Tuesday when he goes to see the psychiatrist. But if he does I'm going to be firm about expectations when he comes out - i.e. not convalescing at ours - they will need to transfer his care to wherever he has to go.

I told my friend earlier that he shouldn't be at theirs, but in hospital and he was very cynical about hospitals and thought I should keep him out of hospitals at all cost. FFS.

Your friend isn't very helpful then, because it's not your responsibility to keep brother out of hospital or anywhere else for that matter. Your brother is going to turn your friend into a flying monkey. Don't engage.

Have you heard the phrase "drop the rope"? Everyone's flinging ropes at you hoping you'll pick up the responsibility. Drop the rope. Don't pick it up in the first place. He is not your responsibility, although i appreciate that you've been told your whole life that he is - he is not. The biggest gift you can give yourself for Christmas is freedom from the belief that you're responsible for your brother in any way.

SpryCat · 05/12/2024 18:27

Your brother has only been at there’s five mins and your friend is trying to protect him from going into hospital fgs, I wouldn’t be surprised if he cried, quivered his lip and crawled commando style towards your friend, held onto his ankles wailing don’t let them put me away to hospital.
He’s instructing the flying monkeys now so I’d pack his stuff and hand it over to them as in his excitement of having a new audience they will probably be told he believes his life in danger

StartupRepair · 05/12/2024 19:01

Stay strong. He will weaponise everything as he is clearly completely shameless in manipulating everything. You have not consented to be his carer.. you can feel love and compassion without being required to throw your own family under a bus.

LetsNCagain · 05/12/2024 19:18

He is such a user.

I have an older sibling who (used to) be like this. The difference is, amongst all the depression and mh issues, she also would have impulsive behaviour and get herself into dangerous situations and debt.

I sometimes had to rescue her as all other family live abroad. Including, like your dd, at times when I had important exams. I felt guilt and obligation. My mum terrified me that if I didn't, DSis could become homeless or into prostitution etc. Even though she had a big allowance but she'd impulsively spend it and then not afford her rent unless I bailed her out.

Then one day I realised - why do I care about being made out to be the baddie? Why should I feel guilty if she gets herself into a mess? Let them accuse me of being a heartless bitch. It's not my fault, but let's pretend it is. So what? Fine, I'll be a heartless bitch then. And my goodness it was liberating.

And lo and behold, she's self sufficient now (and NC with me, by her choice). Once we all dropped the rope, she finally got her act together

LetsNCagain · 05/12/2024 19:22

What I'm saying is, op, just be a heartless bitch. So what? They'll all accuse you of being selfish (so ironic!) and heartless. They'll go NC with you. Your DB will tell everyone that you abandoned him. He'll threaten to harm himself. Maybe he would actually harm himself (unlikely imo) but even if he does, so what. He is harming you right now, and your husband, and most importantly, your daughter.

Be the baddie. Be blamed. Stop fearing the worst and just meet it head-on.

It'll probably turn out way better than you think. It did for my sister.

LetsNCagain · 05/12/2024 19:28

And anyway, I realised once I emerged from the fog of guilt and fear - no reasonable person will ever blame a younger sibling if their grown, adult, older sibling harms themself or impulsively gets themself into a dangerous situation. No one thinks "oh it's all his/her younger sister's fault. She should have rescued her older sibling".

So I dreaded being blamed, and no one except my sibling ever did. And she was fine in the end anyway.