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I can't cope with depressed brother being so reliant on me. Feel like a bitch for saying that.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:47

I'm so sorry - this going to be so long - but I need to get this out. I'm up with this awful cough/chest infection which makes it impossible to lie down and sleep. Been ill since last Tuesday. Have had virtually no sleep since then. Pretty sure a lot of you will think I'm a heartless cow, but I'm getting to my wits end.

Context. My brother (quite significantly older than me) has suffered from depression since he was a teen. He has been on antidepressants since then, except for a couple of occasions when he's taken himself off them for one reason or another, which have ended up in disaster. He lives about 2.5 hours away from me.

For some years now he has been spending more and more time at my house with my DH, DD and I. He lives alone and came to stay with us during lock down, and has often come to stay with us, sometimes for weeks, off and on since then when he's feeling low or had a crappy couple of weeks (e.g. work stress). I've always said to him of course he can come, how can I not, but he's often then stayed and stayed, prolonging his stay without discussing it with me - just declaring he's not going to go home for another week at the end of his planned stay.

He has a fantastic job in the civil service, but has had lot and lots of absences for various ailments over the past couple of years and they are understandably getting serious about his attendance. He seems to think this is very unfair and how they just don't understand. I've tried gently - but seriously - to explain that you can indeed be dismissed for repeated or lengthy absences.

In May this year he started getting some odd physical symptoms - balance issues/vertigo mainly (other very vague things like feeling cold, and out of it) - I rushed down there to him when this initially happened as he took himself to hospital thinking he was having a stroke. Ultimately anything serious was ruled out and after taking him to a few appointments for some further checks I drove him back to mine to stay. He decided that these symptoms were due to his antidepressant (that he'd been on for 15 years), so agreed with his GP to reduce his dose to an incredibly small one (questionable that it was even therapeutic anymore - it was 1/4 of the starting dose, he had been on double the starting dose for 15 years). His physical symptoms did clear up eventually - he put this down to this reduction in his antidepressants - I wasn't so convinced. I also voiced my concern that he was now effectively not on antidepressants and we all know how that had ended up in the past and that he needed to push to try another antidepressant if he didn't want to go back to his old one.

He eventually went back home and to work, and was there for a few months until he started experiencing stomach issues, now diagnosed as IBS (which I know is not fun - I've had it for years myself) and yet again took himself off work. He was working with his GP and a dietician and put on the FODMAP diet which he's still on. Again, he came to ours for a few weeks. His work were getting very ancy by this time and he started to do some hours remotely from ours as he had no choice. Eventually he went home again, he was home for a week only then for his depression to increase so I told him to get an emergency appointment with his GP who told him to double his dose last week. Well all hell broke loose (assuming side effects of increasing the dose). I've been ill for a couple of months now with all these bloody relentless viruses (also been very anemic for a lot longer and recently had a couple of infusions and currently undergoing tests to find out why - so you can imagine how rough I've been feeling), but last Tuesday I came down with proper flu (raging temp etc.) and have been in bed since and have been mainly off work (doing work when needed from bed). I never take time off work, honestly have to be at deaths door - have subsequently developed a chest infection and am on antibiotics. Got a call from my brother at 5:30am on Wednesday with him feeling awful saying I needed to drive down and collect him, after explaining I couldn't as I was ill asked to speak to DH and asked him to go. I said to DH that he couldn't, he had work plus he was helping me out with a work event in the evening which I obviously couldn't attend any more but he still needed to arrange some stuff and be there for a short while. I put my foot down and said he had to either drive, get the train or wait until we could drive to him and if he was in crisis to call his local crisis team immediately. He eventually said he would drive as he couldn't fit all the stuff he wanted to bring in a backpack so the train was out (so he'd get obviously decided at that point he was coming for a while).

Since he's been with us he has been waking me up every morning at silly-o'clock (e.g. 5-6), as he's been experiencing massive anxiety. I've been woken up three times now to him standing in our bedroom crying and saying he can't cope. I am getting about 2 hours of sleep per night due to this chest infection anyway, and have usually only just dropped off when he's waking me up. At this rate I'm never going to get better. DH had to stop him coming into our bedroom the other day when I had eventually managed to doze off. Anyway, called the local out of hours crisis team yesterday morning and sat with him whilst he spoke to them, they're seeing him this morning and have told him to register as a temporary patient at my local GP and they are hopefully going to make a plan going forward - e.g. moving to a new antidepressant (I hope). On the phone he said to them he was going to stay with me indefinitely (no discussion with me) and can't see himself doing his job for some months.

In the past when he's had a crisis like this he's decamped to our parents who look after him for months whilst he recovers and he finds a new job - but he's decided that he finds it too stressful to stay with them (they're getting on now as well). I can see what is going to happen. He is going to loose his job, loose his rented flat as a result and have nowhere to live but here with us. So, unemployed, living with us indefinitely. And what choice do I have?

It's really stressful when he stays with us - just the whole dynamic/routine of the household goes out the window. He has always been single and as a result his life revolves around himself, he spreads himself and his things around the house, and changes/moves/breaks thing (little things, but they all add up) and gets argumentative when I ask him not to do something. My home just doesn't feel like my home anymore; I can't spend evenings chilling out lying on the sofa in front of the telly with DH, as we often do, he's often lying on the sofa watching TV himself, he smokes although takes himself outside but his clothes smell of smoke. He is in our small spare room (well, he's on the sofa tonight for some reason) which we had just recently decked out as DD's study as her bedroom isn't really big enough for a desk; she's finishing her mocks tomorrow and has her GCSEs in May - she has ADHD and it's been incredibly challenging for her academically, but we'd really turned a corner recently and she's determined to get into 6th form, I'm so worried all of this is going to upheave her, stress her out and affect her performance; she's been so proud of her achievements recently and I think if she does badly now what little confidence she'd recently gained will disappear.

I am pretty sure a straw will break the camel's back and I will end up loosing it with him at some point, or just getting incredibly stressed and ill (stress usually manifests itself physically with me as I just try to ignore it and push on through - I've had my own mental health battles). But how can I effectively abandon my depressed brother? I love him dearly, and want him to be well, but he's come to rely on me so heavily that it's becoming too much. He's really not helped himself; taking so much time off work for spurious reasons and now he really needs the time off they are challenging him and his job is in jeopardy; him not taking my advice about not going cold turkey on the antidepressants without a plan to start a new one; just the assumption that we can constantly put our lives on hold. DH is being incredibly understanding - but I can even see him getting frustrated by my brother over the past few months. DH also had a huge mental breakdown last year and attempted suicide twice, he's only just got back on some sort of even keel about 6 months ago but is still recovering. Jesus, what if HE ends up breaking down again and then I've got 2 men in crisis to look after?! I've got my own full time stressful job to do as well, plus a neurodivergent daughter to keep on track. I'm terrified! I honestly don't know what to do for the best. He has very good friends but they don't live in the same city as him, but other than them and my parents, we're all he has.

What the fuck do I do?

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 13:28

Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 11:23

How old is your brother.

You said that he's older than you.

He's 53.

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Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 13:32

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 13:28

He's 53.

He definitely should grow up a bit at that age.

Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 13:33

I was just thinking of a man that I work with.

He's 42. No mental health issues. He said that his mother drives down every weekend to bring his shopping to him and do his laundry.

Too many men want women to just be running round after them. The women need to say no

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SpryCat · 05/12/2024 14:04

My husband knows a man who has ran up lots of debts, his mum paid it, he has rented numerous flats and trashed them, his mum paid landlords for the damage. He would tell his mum he couldn’t afford food and she would rush out and go shopping, he moved in with her about five years ago as he had burnt his bridges everywhere else and terrorises her now when things go wrong. She is in her 80’s now has always pandered to him because she would feel so guilty saying no wringing her hands so anxious. He has stopped his siblings from seeing their mum, he would scream and shout when they came over and his mum said it would be easier for her if she met them elsewhere. She won’t report him to the police because he is her son and has no one else.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 14:29

I am reading every one of your posts. Your objectivity, own experiences and/or advice are really helping me articulate how I'm feeling and allowing me to see what is actually happening.

Yet another rotten morning, he was up at 5, I was woken (just by his noise) and went downstairs to get my headphones to put some meditation on and hopefully go back to sleep. I was firm with him and said I was going to bed when he tried to engage with me. Of course, I didn't sleep a wink.

Anyway - when we all went downstairs in the morning and he was on the phone to Samaritans. When he eventually ended the call and saw me he started the lip quivering and struggling to speak behaviour, he eventually said "what if I am still ill in January? Can't I stay?" I said "No, I am setting my boundaries now and they are not negotiable", his response was "but what about me??" followed by tears. So I repeated my mantra of I will support you by advocating and helping you set up a services around you to support you - but that doesn't include living here. He then went down the "well I will just need to go into hospital" route, and I agreed with him.

But rather than that, he has now decamped to my friend's house down the road for a few days - invited by my friend who has some experienced with Samartians and gets a lot out of "therapising" people. I am livid, both with my brother and my friend for offering this as an option. His wife is on board with it, and their DD is away for a few days, but this is not the answer and my brother is now jeopardising my relationship with two of my best friends! I called my friend when I found out and was quite upset with him, I told him he had no idea the level of demand/need that my brother will impose on them, I also gave him the full story/background/context as I am sure my brother will be pushing for them to put pressure on me to have him for longer. I have spelt it out that this is not happening. This is all under the guise of "giving me a break" - but a few days is not going to make a jot of difference and just give my brother more ammunition to say " don't make me go, my support network is now here". I am livid.

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BerriesCones · 05/12/2024 14:36

Sympathies OP. My mum used to periodically decide to come off her depression meds and I dreaded it as I knew me and my dad were in for hell. She used to get aggressive and violent as well as nasty. She seems to think it would be a great idea for her to move in with me now. Over my dead body. You are not responsible for the care of your brother. You've done plenty. Send him to your parents

LAMPS1 · 05/12/2024 14:39

Stay firm OP.
You have warned your friends. But your brother was one step ahead it seems, putting his own needs and wants before yours or anybody else’s. It seems he is desperate not to have practical solutions but to have as much attention as possible instead.
Do try to use the 3 nights to sleep at least.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 14:43

Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 11:53

I know someone who works in mental health.

She always says that it's not just the person with mental health that needs support, but their families need support too.

As I said I have a mentally ill sibling.

Having a mentally ill sibling has affected a huge part of my life. It's draining.

There's the constant fear I have that he will kill himself. But I think it's best not live in a state of constant fear, if he's going to do it he will do it and I can't stop him .

I'm angry with my brother and I also have sympathy for him

Mentally ill people can make you have an absolute breakdown yourself. I understand .

I've learned that I have to put myself first.

I'm angry with my brother and I also have sympathy for him

I hear you - that is it exactly. He accused me of being angry with him am making him feel guilty this morning - I said, do you know how guilty I feel about this situation every second of the day? He seemed quite pleased with this.

I am looking forwards to seeing his psychiatrist next week as I am goign to spell it out in block capitals where I stand on this, i.e. supportive but distancing myself from his needs ... which is getting easier the more his manipulative behaviour becomes apparent.

Your friend who works in mental health is very wise. DD said in the car this morning that we're all treading on eggshells at home.

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OriginalUsername2 · 05/12/2024 14:44

I’d honestly chuck him out today. Enough’s enough. Let Samaritan neighbour deal with him, you don’t need friends that don’t hear you when you’re fucking screaming (metaphorically, of course)

Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 14:44

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 14:29

I am reading every one of your posts. Your objectivity, own experiences and/or advice are really helping me articulate how I'm feeling and allowing me to see what is actually happening.

Yet another rotten morning, he was up at 5, I was woken (just by his noise) and went downstairs to get my headphones to put some meditation on and hopefully go back to sleep. I was firm with him and said I was going to bed when he tried to engage with me. Of course, I didn't sleep a wink.

Anyway - when we all went downstairs in the morning and he was on the phone to Samaritans. When he eventually ended the call and saw me he started the lip quivering and struggling to speak behaviour, he eventually said "what if I am still ill in January? Can't I stay?" I said "No, I am setting my boundaries now and they are not negotiable", his response was "but what about me??" followed by tears. So I repeated my mantra of I will support you by advocating and helping you set up a services around you to support you - but that doesn't include living here. He then went down the "well I will just need to go into hospital" route, and I agreed with him.

But rather than that, he has now decamped to my friend's house down the road for a few days - invited by my friend who has some experienced with Samartians and gets a lot out of "therapising" people. I am livid, both with my brother and my friend for offering this as an option. His wife is on board with it, and their DD is away for a few days, but this is not the answer and my brother is now jeopardising my relationship with two of my best friends! I called my friend when I found out and was quite upset with him, I told him he had no idea the level of demand/need that my brother will impose on them, I also gave him the full story/background/context as I am sure my brother will be pushing for them to put pressure on me to have him for longer. I have spelt it out that this is not happening. This is all under the guise of "giving me a break" - but a few days is not going to make a jot of difference and just give my brother more ammunition to say " don't make me go, my support network is now here". I am livid.

Christ.

Don't get guilt tripped.

Tell him he's a man in his fifties.

And you are his younger sister.

You're not responsible to look after him .

If it was me I wouldn't let him back in the house.

Come up with an excuse. Tell him that your husband has decided he can't have him in the house anymore and he will have to go somewhere else. It's your husbands house and your husbands say too.

Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 14:45

I wouldn't let him back in your house OP.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 14:47

Come up with an excuse. Tell him that your husband has decided he can't have him in the house anymore and he will have to go somewhere else. It's your husbands house and your husbands say too.

That is very tempting, I may have to do this.

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BerriesCones · 05/12/2024 14:50

I remember as a teenager in the 80s seeing a sign by a mental health charity saying "It's not just the mentally ill that suffer with mental illness" and it really resonating as the daughter of a mentally ill mother. There was zero support for the children of mentally ill parents back then and it was the first bit of understanding I'd seen.

Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 14:51

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 14:47

Come up with an excuse. Tell him that your husband has decided he can't have him in the house anymore and he will have to go somewhere else. It's your husbands house and your husbands say too.

That is very tempting, I may have to do this.

Yeah and be strong in the face of guilt trips from your brother and father.

I've been through the guilt trips from family members, so I understand what they are like.

Stand strong! You can do it.

mbosnz · 05/12/2024 14:52

As much as anything, your brother is well and truly burning his bridges with you and your family now, surely. . .

BerriesCones · 05/12/2024 14:55

If he ends up in hospital might they provide some sort of care package when he gets discharged? It might be a good thing.

Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 14:56

If you tell him not to come back. He has places to go. He can either go into his own flat. Or he can go into a hospital. Or go to one of his friends.

I have sympathy for the man , but not to the extent where it is destroying you.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 14:56

mbosnz · 05/12/2024 14:52

As much as anything, your brother is well and truly burning his bridges with you and your family now, surely. . .

He is - I warned him yesterday that if this carries on it's going to have a massive impact on our relationship. I was thinking earlier how I have responded to the short periods of time when I have struggled mentally - e.g. after my pulmonary embolism when I was struggling with PTSD and all I could do is say sorry to anyone and everyone who was supporting me (DH, DD, friends etc.) as I felt so awful that I was being a burden on them. I don't think my brother has said sorry once since he has been with us.

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SpryCat · 05/12/2024 14:56

I just want to say @inigomontoyahwillcox I can feel your assertiveness right now, you are smoking x

Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 14:57

SpryCat · 05/12/2024 14:56

I just want to say @inigomontoyahwillcox I can feel your assertiveness right now, you are smoking x

Yeah it's great to see you think of your own needs OP

inigomontoyahwillcox · 05/12/2024 14:59

Thanks😁

I think that this morning's antics were the proverbial "straw".

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gamerchick · 05/12/2024 15:07

This is an opportunity OP. He's expecting it to make you back down as he knows you'll feel guilty he's imposing on your friend. However, your friend needs to learn a lesson about his saviour needs. You've told him straight what he's let himself in for so it's on him. Tell them that your brother is not coming back from your friends and he needs to make alternative arrangements from today.

He needs to feel his manipulation backfire on him.

mbosnz · 05/12/2024 15:07

From the sounds of it, he doesn't care if he's causing you stress/distress, in fact, he's quite happy with that state of affairs, because that means your focus is where it should be as far as he is concerned - on him. So no, he wouldn't apologise for it.

Perhaps next time you're talking to him, you need to say that you warned him his behaviour was severely impacting your relationship, and even in the short time since that conversation it's been so much more severely damaged, not just with you, but with your family members, that it's well and truly compromised.

Lallydallydune · 05/12/2024 15:10

We are all behind you OP!

I've seen too many women broken by the men in their family!

You're not responsible for your older brother.

MrsAga · 05/12/2024 15:11

The Samaritan neighbour might be a good thing. They obviously enjoy supporting. You haven’t asked, they have offered, leave them to it. Hopefully they’ll be able to make some different offers of help & if he has to stay in the area for his “support network” then they/you can direct him to renting a room or a flat locally if he no longer wants to go back to his home. But he has to make a decision on one area or the other, he can’t keep both as options by staying with you & keeping his other flat too.
If he found a flat/room to rent local to you, it may not seem so hard to let him stay until it’s available (once he’s signed up for it & paid the deposit)
For now, enjoy your peace & get some sleep. Try not to think about him. (Easier said than done I know)

Also, the best sleep aid I’ve ever come across is hypnotherapy. They do specific sleep ones, but I fall asleep to any of them. There are ones for PTSD, anxiety, stress etc too & also ones suitable for children